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MileHigh

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #870 on: June 04, 2016, 05:48:41 PM »
An ideal torque is an ideal twisting force,or the application of an ideal energy source-the very same as your ideal voltage source MH.

You are on a hot streak Brad.  I am not going to give you any extreme leeway, you are wrong.

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #871 on: June 04, 2016, 05:51:15 PM »
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Your flywheel dose not represent the current flow BTW,it represents the stored energy of the inductor.

No secret decoder rings allowed, hence another mistake, another nonsensical statement.

You have a long way to go to get where you want to be.

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #872 on: June 04, 2016, 05:52:43 PM »
A repost, just in case:

Here, I found something for you to contemplate:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/resonance

Definition of "resonance:"

Physics.

a.  the state of a system in which an abnormally large vibration is produced in response to an external stimulus, occurring when the frequency of the stimulus is the same, or nearly the same, as the natural vibration frequency of the system.

b.  the vibration produced in such a state.

tinman

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #873 on: June 04, 2016, 05:54:07 PM »
<<<  I would like you to draw up a schematic for the ideal voltage source for the circuit that suits your question,where the current can continue to flow unimpeded through this ideal source during T=3 second's,to T=5 seconds.  >>>

I will put that one into the "crazy question" category.  See attached.

Ah--nice circuit.

See below my new JT circuit :D

All jokes aside,i see you cannot even provide a schematic for your own ideal voltage source,and yet you think your answer to your question is absolutely correct  ::)
How many times have you told us to draw out the circuit,to work out the answer,and yet ,right here,on the very thread of your own question,you drop a minnie in there--a complete fail to provide a circuit to represent your own question.

The armchair guru cannot even provide an armchair answer to a question regarding his own question.
You really are lazy MH.


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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #874 on: June 04, 2016, 05:57:35 PM »
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i see you cannot even provide a schematic for your own ideal voltage source

You simply don't realize that it's an idiotic question.  You are really on a roll.

tinman

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #875 on: June 04, 2016, 05:59:54 PM »
A repost, just in case:

Here, I found something for you to contemplate:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/resonance

Definition of "resonance:"

Physics.

a.  the state of a system in which an abnormally large vibration is produced in response to an external stimulus, occurring when the frequency of the stimulus is the same, or nearly the same, as the natural vibration frequency of the system.

b.  the vibration produced in such a state.

And there you go,you just dumped your self in it lol.
Do you not understand what you read MH?.

System-->a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network; a complex whole.

a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized scheme or method.

You just stated exactly what i have said all along lol.

That did not work out to well for you--did it ;)


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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #876 on: June 04, 2016, 06:07:35 PM »
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You just stated exactly what i have said all along lol.

Yes we are in the Brad bonus round now, a "super roll."  I highlighted the second definition in an attempt to talk some sense into you and get you to wake up out of your stupor with respect to resonance.  The second definition shuts down all of your nonsense due to your lack of ability to conceptualize that a ringing bell is resonating.

resonance == the vibration produced in such a state == a ringing bell after it has been struck

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #877 on: June 04, 2016, 06:31:48 PM »
Yes we are in the Brad bonus round now, a "super roll."  I highlighted the second definition in an attempt to talk some sense into you and get you to wake up out of your stupor with respect to resonance.  The second definition shuts down all of your nonsense due to your lack of ability to conceptualize that a ringing bell is resonating.

resonance == the vibration produced in such a state == a ringing bell after it has been struck

Lol-Nice try MH,but another fail lol

Quote:-->a.  the state of a system in which an abnormally large vibration is produced in response to an external stimulus, occurring when the frequency of the stimulus is the same, or nearly the same, as the natural vibration frequency of the system.

b.  the vibration produced in such a state.

You do realize that B is referring to the method of A--do you not?.lol.

Your a funny man MH.
But it's like i said--do you not understand what you are reading?.

http://www.regentsprep.org/regents/physics/phys04/bresonan/default.htm

Resonance
The increase in amplitude of oscillation of an electric or mechanical system exposed to a periodic external force whose frequency is equal to or some multiple of the natural frequency of the system.

Natural Frequency
The frequency an object will vibrate with after an external disturbance. These frequencies are usually discrete and depend only on the intrinsic physical quantities of the object.

So,as you can see MH,your bell will vibrate at it's natural frequency when hit once.
It will not resonate until it is exposed to an external force that has the same(or multiples of)frequency as the bells natural resonant frequency.

Nothing will resonate without the second part of the system.

I ask you once again--and we can find your answer all over this forum-->when dose a coil resonate,and when dose a coil just ring down?
When will a resonant circuit be in resonance,and when will it be just in oscillation?

You have answered this question many times before correctly,but now you wish to just change it all around ::),and why?--just so as you can make your wine glass answers look correct ::)
There is no end to your bullshit MH--it's bigger than minnies pile he posted not so long ago.
You two have to be related :D


Brad

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #878 on: June 04, 2016, 06:36:08 PM »
Is in resonance with the air,, as demonstrated by the sound you hear,, and the stored energy within the amplitude of that  bell oscillation is reduced by said air interaction.

No Webby--that is dampened oscillation,not resonance.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #879 on: June 04, 2016, 06:47:45 PM »
You simply don't realize that it's an idiotic question.  You are really on a roll.

What i have realized is that you cannot even draw a schematic of your ideal voltage source.

You will not even accept a challenge from me to see who can build the most efficient rotoverter.
You will not accept a challenge from me to see who can build the most efficient pulse motor.
You will not accept a challenge from me to see who can build the most efficient JT
You cannot even draw a circuit of your ideal voltage supply,but are happy to claim that you can answer your question correctly-->without even having the slightest idea as to how your ideal voltage supply is actually constructed to perform the required task,upon which the answer to your question is based.

This would have to be the most pathetic scientific method of defining an answer i have ever seen.
The only one that would get there ass booted out of your beloved scientific forums,is you,for idiotic rubbish like you have posted -both in this thread,and the JT thread.


I cant believe that you cannot provide a schematic for your ideal voltage source.
Your answer to your question has just become null and void,until such time as you can provide the complete circuit for analysis.


Brad

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #880 on: June 04, 2016, 06:51:59 PM »
Actually Brad, it just never ends with you.  For Christ's sake, you think that there is a "schematic" for an ideal voltage source.  You've got problems.  You can't understand what an ideal torque would be conceptually or how it would behave in real life, and you are still lost on what the primary and fundamental scientific definition of resonance truly is.  You can't understand that the typical definition for resonance is the layman's definition which is really the !response! of a resonant system to an external stimulation at the resonant frequency.

There is a parallel between you stating that an ideal voltage source couldn't vary in time because you did not see that in the definition for it, and you sticking to the first definition that you see for resonance and not understanding the basic fundamental definition for it.

You couldn't understand that an ideal voltage source could vary in time.  And you still can't understand what resonance truly is because you are blinded by the layman's definition.  I finally found a reference for resonance that does not discuss the !response! of the resonant system and you can't cope with that so you skirt around it.

You are still just as lost as ever Brad.  I really don't care, stay lost as long as you want to be lost.  However, there is a chance if you apply yourself you will get found.

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #881 on: June 04, 2016, 06:55:46 PM »
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without even having the slightest idea as to how your ideal voltage supply is actually constructed

A grand slam!

You are not the tinman, you are the scarecrow that never found Oz.

tinman

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #882 on: June 04, 2016, 07:45:48 PM »
Actually Brad, it just never ends with you.  For Christ's sake, you think that there is a "schematic" for an ideal voltage source.  You've got problems.  You can't understand what an ideal torque would be conceptually or how it would behave in real life, and you are still lost on what the primary and fundamental scientific definition of resonance truly is.  You can't understand that the typical definition for resonance is the layman's definition which is really the !response! of a resonant system to an external stimulation at the resonant frequency.

There is a parallel between you stating that an ideal voltage source couldn't vary in time because you did not see that in the definition for it, and you sticking to the first definition that you see for resonance and not understanding the basic fundamental definition for it.

You couldn't understand that an ideal voltage source could vary in time.  And you still can't understand what resonance truly is because you are blinded by the layman's definition.  I finally found a reference for resonance that does not discuss the !response! of the resonant system and you can't cope with that so you skirt around it.

You are still just as lost as ever Brad.  I really don't care, stay lost as long as you want to be lost.  However, there is a chance if you apply yourself you will get found.

MH-you are lying again--in everything you say above.

Everything i have posted(and even your own postings)show that you cannot define the difference between an object resonating,and oscillating at it's natural resonant frequency.
I asked you to describe a coil resonating,and one that is just ringing down-->what is the difference?. But you failed to do so,as you know it would show you to be incorrect about your objects resonating all by them self.
You have not provided one example where an object will resonate by it's self,and your bell,and wine glass examples have been proven to be wrong.
This is one fail on your behalf.

Second--i have provided the definition of an ideal torque,where torque is the application of energy to a system or object,and where that energy is ideal-->an ideal torque is an ideal energy source. An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value,regardless of the opposition force placed upon this torque.
You not understanding this,is also another fail on your behalf.

Third--The alarm bells sound,when one claims to know how a circuit will function,but cannot provide a schematic for such a circuit. The reason you cannot,and will not provide a circuit for the ideal voltage source in question,is because it dose not,and cannot exist.
This means that your circuit needed to answer your question cannot and will never exist,as there is no such thing as an ideal voltage source.

You have not thought about your question,and neither have many others here that think they have answered it correctly.
Your ideal voltage source has no internal series resistance,and thus a current can continue to flow through this ideal source while the voltage value is 0v. At T=5 seconds,a negative voltage is placed across the current that flows through this ideal source. The internal series resistance dose not change in the ideal source at this time,and that resistance value remains at 0 ohms--the reason the current can flow through it unimpeded.
This is the action that takes place in your circuit,but there is no possible way to design such a circuit that can perform this action.
Your answer is based around a circuit that cannot exist--and the proof of this,is by way of you not being able to draw such a circuit for the ideal voltage source.

With people like you at the helm,it is clear as to why man has stalled in his development of energy supplies.


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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #883 on: June 04, 2016, 07:58:52 PM »
A grand slam!

You are not the tinman, you are the scarecrow that never found Oz.

I did more than found it MH--i live in it ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ4NuX0qWuY

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Re: MH's ideal coil and voltage question
« Reply #884 on: June 04, 2016, 08:04:56 PM »
Yes it is a damped oscillation,, but it is at the resonant frequency and it is taking the energy out of the bell amplitude,, not changing its frequency,, ergo resonance.

The external stimuli can take energy or add energy to the amplitude,, but it can not change the frequency.

Yes.it oscillates at it's natural resonant frequency,but the bell dose not resonate.
Resonance is achieved when maximum amplitude is reached by the oscillating body--the same applies to inductors in a resonant circuit.
MH knows this,but as he wishes to cling to falsehoods associated to his wine glass,and now!ringing bell!,he will continue on with his rubbish.


Brad