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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 614727 times)

shylo

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #825 on: January 25, 2015, 03:11:06 AM »
MCR That is such a nice setup , Get rid of the generating output section and put more drive coils around it, short them out and use the spikes to supply output.
More speed ,more spikes more output.
Charge caps with the spikes and use that to drive it.
I'm working on it as we speak. But my setup sucks compared to yours.
Wanna sell me one of yours.
artv
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thngr

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #826 on: January 25, 2015, 03:22:50 AM »
Quote from: shylo on January 25, 2015, 03:11:06 AM
MCR That is such a nice setup , Get rid of the generating output section and put more drive coils around it, short them out and use the spikes to supply output.
More speed ,more spikes more output.
Charge caps with the spikes and use that to drive it.
I'm working on it as we speak. But my setup sucks compared to yours.
Wanna sell me one of yours.
artv


Spikes huh! than this is adams motor or bedini charger TOPIC.
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shylo

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #827 on: January 25, 2015, 03:38:40 AM »
Well I don't know who Adams is and all I know of Bendini is swapping batteries around .
Also something about an SSG ,but I'm not an electronics guy.
I do know that spikes exist and you can catch them at no expense to input, store them and use them.
artv
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thngr

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #828 on: January 25, 2015, 03:49:00 AM »
I had done that experiments and claims were not true only wrong messurings and calculations they had.
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prochiro

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #829 on: January 25, 2015, 04:02:21 AM »
MCR

All of your videos have been interesting but this one is starting to show that you are on a good trail. Yes, higher speed will be better. There are some other changes that you can do but all in good time. Speed it up a bit and add a few more coils is the next step. You are doing fine.

Prochiro
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Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #830 on: January 25, 2015, 11:38:16 AM »
Sweet build @mcr . I tried your idea of having smaller mags on my prime mover for a shorter duration pulse but it turns out I need the torque that the longer pulse provides. Thanks for updating us.
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #831 on: January 25, 2015, 12:22:38 PM »
Quote from: Mister Caribbean Roots on January 25, 2015, 02:48:52 AM
At T-1000,

This one is for you... ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTL7Pvtm-3s

Info about it is in the comment section... ;D
I just found out that there is here a time frame in which one can modify his own postings... ??? ...which i find a little odd...lol

Nice build :)

Since you have 12 magnets, 8 cores and 6 coils the neighbor coils are on same phase and on same drag. In Grum's build of my design there are 16 magnets 9 cores and 8 coils which on a slight different induction angle. What is the best to make zero net cogging between magnets and rotor cores still have place for experimenting. My take was from Muller Dynamo on 8/9 arrangement... ;)
Also I find intersting in your case with load reducing RPM and shorting increasing of RPM. In Grum's build any load or shorting will increase RPM. It is possible due differences with ratios on magnets/rotor cores arrangement. In your setup it seems you want to keep coils separate or keep low resistance load to have same result. That will be seen over more experiments...

P.S> About prolonged spinning - seems you are close to have self driving from generator coils? With scope and hall sensors on cores you might implement switching where induced magnetic field on coils help rotation and break circuit where it is against rotation.

Cheers!
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Pirate88179

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #832 on: January 25, 2015, 09:21:23 PM »
Quote from: Mister Caribbean Roots on January 25, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Hi T-1000,
Thanks...about the cogging...it is very little as i have it now but it still can do a bit better but there's a need to get rid of the eddy currents that comes into play at higher rpm...the higher the rpm the more we will experience it...but we do have the option to use far better materials for the iron segments... ;D
Once i have it as good as possible freewheeling by hand than i'll go for better materials... ;)
It just a little rpm drop when loaded with them leds but with a bit more rpm that problem should be fixed... ;)
I've seen this many times in my own experimentings... 8)
I still need to try the 2 set of 3 coils in series and parallel just to be sure...it might get me that speed under load even at these lower rpm's which would be cool... ;D 8) :PSelf driving generators coils... ??? ...don't really know what you are saying here... :'(
I have no scope...lol...i'm a scopeless man and doing pretty good without it... ::)

I'm thinking of making a special setup only for your design because i do really need this one here for my own projects... ;D
Will let you know how and what as soon as i'm done thinking about it... ;)
Cheers


Would increasing the distance between the magnets and the coils reduce this?  When I made one of my Bedini motors, I used a lead screw arrangement so I could adjust the distance between the coil and the magnets on the rotor.  I found that a little turn on the screw made a big difference in the cogging I was experiencing.  I was able to precisely adjust the gap to find the sweet spot between output and cogging.

Just my two cents.  That is a nice build you have on your videos.

Bill
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shinz62

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #833 on: January 25, 2015, 09:36:01 PM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 25, 2015, 09:21:23 PM

Would increasing the distance between the magnets and the coils reduce this?  When I made one of my Bedini motors, I used a lead screw arrangement so I could adjust the distance between the coil and the magnets on the rotor.  I found that a little turn on the screw made a big difference in the cogging I was experiencing.  I was able to precisely adjust the gap to find the sweet spot between output and cogging.

Just my two cents.  That is a nice build you have on your videos.

Bill


Good point! If you look at that Gary Effect video you will notice that he plotted the magnetic readings on his "rotor" iron against the distance to the magnets and he noticed that there were varying results with different magnet strengths and also that there was a "cross over" point, a distance where the poles swapped field orientation between north and south.


It seems like if you could get your iron rotor near that cross over point then with a little tuning you could flip the direction using the load coil. Then tune the distance, magnet strength, and load on this arrangement for the highest efficiency.
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Pirate88179

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #834 on: January 25, 2015, 10:04:09 PM »
Quote from: shinz62 on January 25, 2015, 09:36:01 PM

Good point! If you look at that Gary Effect video you will notice that he plotted the magnetic readings on his "rotor" iron against the distance to the magnets and he noticed that there were varying results with different magnet strengths and also that there was a "cross over" point, a distance where the poles swapped field orientation between north and south.


It seems like if you could get your iron rotor near that cross over point then with a little tuning you could flip the direction using the load coil. Then tune the distance, magnet strength, and load on this arrangement for the highest efficiency.

Thank you.  Here is one of my videos that demonstrates a simple way to do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRO8Pdh35bA

That is a pretty coarse thread but, at least it did allow me to manipulate that gap in a somewhat precise manner to achieve the best balance.

Just tossing out ideas here.

Bill
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prochiro

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #835 on: January 25, 2015, 11:58:51 PM »
MCR

If you get to changing the spacing, do not add more space between the coil and deflectors but you can take the magnets, depending upon there strength, away from the iron. I really think that when RPM is increased that there will be less yet at a relative sweet spot.  Have fun.

Prochiro
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #836 on: January 26, 2015, 11:58:58 PM »
MCR

It is a good thing to have two separate jugs as I also understand and know a lot about your own work.  This is just one example of what you were working on but taken to the next few levels.

http://www.overunitybuilder.com/generators.html


OVERUNITY BUILDER  - - - on Youtube , all should see his videos.

http://overunitybuilder.com/toy.html - - is also video all should see further down this page as to magnet/coil action.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Daniel_Quale_Lenzless_Generator

This is a fun place... 8)

Prochiro
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Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #837 on: January 28, 2015, 12:48:33 AM »
Quote from: Mister Caribbean Roots on January 28, 2015, 12:41:14 AM
Hi Prochiro,
You are giving me to much credit there... :o ...i'm just doing what i can with what i have... ;D
Just done making a whole bunch of parts for my own projects including a 8 pole rotor but with ferrite bars... 8)
In other flux gate setups like the one in the link you wrote ferrite don't work so well but since this one from T1000 is a bit different i wonder how good they will work... ;)
If it does work that would be good since ferrite doesn't have the issue of eddy currents... 8)

I have all the stuff already for a seperate setup of T1000 design... ;D
Since i've never made one like this it will be a fun and learning process for me and that's always a good start...lol... :P
I just need to make up my mind...horizontal or vertical setup and 24 or 36 magnet one...choices choices and more choices... ::)
But it's always good to have the choice of choices...lol... ;D 8) :P
Cheers


I'm thinking vertical now. Grum said it lowered his input cost

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Thaelin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #838 on: January 28, 2015, 12:21:46 PM »
Jim:
   Just a thought for you. If you are going to run the rotor with a vertical
shaft, make sure to use that type of bearing made for it. Otherwise you
will have wear where it wasn't meant to be.
   Then more drag.

thay


Mister old news
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prochiro

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #839 on: January 28, 2015, 06:23:25 PM »
gotoluc and jimboot
I see that you are discussing bucking coils in the other forum. The following is the best PDF about what to and what not to do when using this coil setup. It is like a bucking coil  bible. Others should read this also as it gives a complete 180 degree spin on what we are doing here.
www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

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