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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 615233 times)

MileHigh

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #735 on: January 07, 2015, 12:26:57 AM »
I'm assuming that he read my posting, realized his first build was nonsensical, and then quickly changed it and did a new clip without saying anything.  So are you going to shoot me?  If you make a mistake and somebody corrects and helps you in the process just stating that shows some character.  You don't need to play the knight in shining armor there Chet.
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ramset

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #736 on: January 07, 2015, 12:44:47 AM »
MH
One mans Nonsense is another mans experiment.
Luc is a very humble person and there are those reading here who may be unaware of his Life experience and  place weight in your "Assumptions, statements and innuendos.












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Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #737 on: January 07, 2015, 04:18:22 AM »
Quote from: Mister Caribbean Roots on January 07, 2015, 01:46:08 AM
Hi Luc,
Nice going with them experimentings... ;D
I would say to remove the upper part and put in it's place a iron disk with holes... ;)
Anything from 3mm or more in thickness is enough to get the magnetic flux to switch... :)
Drill as many holes as the particular diameter can take...this way you have more switching going on per rpm and it should/might help to reduce the cogging also... ;)
You must leave enough spaces between the holes to get the switching going...i would say...holes and spaces in between...same diameter/lenght... ;)
If it's difficult to get a perfect iron disk a square one will do just fine aswell...it has to be as square as you can get it so not to have to much vibrations... :)

The same can be done with the bottom part to when you are satisfy with the upper part... 8)
It would look like a octopus...lots of legs with coils on them...as many you can get in the particular diameter of your setup... 8)
By having upper and bottom like this you will have a lot more switching going on in lots of coils... 8)
Maybe this configuration will help with the cogging or maybe not...lol... ::)
Cheers
In my exp the cogging is eased with more poles. 5watt out  :o :o Sweet! Need to get some big arse wire :)

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Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #738 on: January 07, 2015, 04:29:50 AM »
ps
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Pirate88179

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #739 on: January 07, 2015, 04:42:50 AM »
Quote from: ramset on January 07, 2015, 12:10:27 AM

MH





you want to be loved and appreciated go buy a Puppy...


Chet

Chet, no need to EVER buy a puppy, or kitten for that matter.  Just make a trip to your local animal shelter and adopt one.  My new (well, new as of 3 years ago) lab assistant is a rescue kitty I saved from being killed, like his mother, brothers and sisters were.

I know this was just a small part of your post, but I could not help but jump in a recommend that folks never buy a pet when there are so many at shelters needing a good home.

Thank you,

Bill
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MileHigh

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #740 on: January 07, 2015, 06:01:43 AM »
I think MCR's idea is great!  Call it the 'magnetic strobescope motor' or 'the chopper.'  High frequency will give you more power output for sure.  Along with it will come more Lenz drag.  it could certainly be quite aerodynamic and that reduced air friction may compensate for any eddy current losses.
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gotoluc

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #741 on: January 07, 2015, 06:11:18 AM »
Quote from: Mister Caribbean Roots on January 07, 2015, 01:46:08 AM
Hi Luc,
Nice going with them experimentings... ;D
I would say to remove the upper part and put in it's place a iron disk with holes... ;)
Anything from 3mm or more in thickness is enough to get the magnetic flux to switch... :)
Drill as many holes as the particular diameter can take...this way you have more switching going on per rpm and it should/might help to reduce the cogging also... ;)
You must leave enough spaces between the holes to get the switching going...i would say...holes and spaces in between...same diameter/lenght... ;)
If it's difficult to get a perfect iron disk a square one will do just fine aswell...it has to be as square as you can get it so not to have to much vibrations... :)

The same can be done with the bottom part to when you are satisfy with the upper part... 8)
It would look like a octopus...lots of legs with coils on them...as many you can get in the particular diameter of your setup... 8)
By having upper and bottom like this you will have a lot more switching going on in lots of coils... 8)
Maybe this configuration will help with the cogging or maybe not...lol... ::)
Cheers

Thanks for your good suggestions MC

That's a good idea to have a disk with holes, just don't know how much Eddy currents will effect an Iron disk?

Thanks for sharing

Luc
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MileHigh

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #742 on: January 07, 2015, 06:16:10 PM »
Quote from: Jimboot on January 07, 2015, 04:29:50 AM
ps

PS my ass Jimboot.  Let's see you come up with five original ideas of your own to help Luc with his investigations.
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Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #743 on: January 07, 2015, 08:25:46 PM »
Here's a really good presentation on the Gary effect. Looks like we need some variable reluctance core material.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g

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gotoluc

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #744 on: January 07, 2015, 10:54:53 PM »
Hi everyone,

I was doing tests yesterday with the Ramadan Bitt configuration trying to understand why each coil was behaving differently under load or shorted.
This may be of importance?
What I found was, only the left coil when shorted would cause the prime mover to drop in input power if the right coil was under a 1 Ohm load.
When I reversed the scenario, left coil on load and right coil shorted it would not cause the prime mover input power to drop.
So after more pocking around I found the left coil wire is shorted to the core, so the layer of protective tape I first added when winding the coil wire must of been compromised.

I made a video of it so we can have a reference of the effect before taking the coil off and rewinding them over better core protection.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEPo97MKpUg

I will rewind the coils and re-test to see if I can get the same effect without the coil shorting to the core.

Stay tuned for the update.

Luc
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PhysicsProfessor

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #745 on: January 07, 2015, 11:26:20 PM »
  Thanks for your work. Luc, and for the update.
-Steven
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Kator01

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #746 on: January 08, 2015, 01:25:32 AM »
thanks Jimboot for this Video ( Dan Davidson)

found this here but quite expensive

http://www.abebooks.de/Proceedings-1990-International-Tesla-Symposium-Colorado/4076734668/bd

If someone has a copy of the proceedings or knows where to have free access to this document it would be
very helpful for further studies.

Kator01
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gotoluc

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #747 on: January 08, 2015, 03:37:25 AM »

Well, it now looks like the shorted coil to core was fooling me. I've re-isolated the cores and re-wound the coils and now it operates just like a normal Generator. So now shorting one coil when the other is 1 Ohm loaded no longer drops the input power, it actually increases the input!

The only thing that does decrease the input power is by adding the cores to the unloaded coil base which I demonstrated in my last video.
However, as pointed out by dragon at EF, the cores are coupling the opposite pole (drill plate) on that side of the C core which relieves the rotor to core drag.
We may say great that's still a saving but it's not, since if I remove the 1 Ohm load the prime mover input is lowered by that amount and if I connect the load once again, there's close to 6 watts increase to input to deliver 5 watts to the 1 Ohm load.
So it now seems there's nothing out of the ordinary going on in this Bitt version of the Ramadan device.

I'll be resuming my tests on the thngr's simple version.

Luc
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #748 on: January 08, 2015, 02:09:28 PM »
  Again, thanks for laying out the empirical facts (no matter how it turns out!), Luc.  This is how we make progress IMO, doing experiments, laying out the results.
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #749 on: January 08, 2015, 02:59:44 PM »
New design:
some shorted coils of the rator reflect magnetic flux and redirect them to C cores to each other or the rator short circuited the flux.(magnetic flux can not chance while there in a shorted coil) But half of the coils shorted.
old design at the left side of the picture has no capability to redirect every bit of magnetic flux thus produce very little current.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 10:12:06 PM by thngr »
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