Your doing nothing more than driving your car around with the hand brake on. All of a sudden you take the hand brake off,the car picks up speed without pushing the accelerator any further down,and you think you have some how gained some free energy.The load is already on the prime mover,and when you draw power from the coil,you are releaving the stresses that have already been present in the core material-you just took the hand brake off.Luc him self has already pointed out that the drill press motor draws 10 watt's more(i think it was that much)when he places the core under the rotating flux gate yoke.

tinman:
 
I understand what you are saying but I believe you don't get what you just said.
If I'm driving around with my handbrake on and it's taking energy then when I push the floor brake I move easier.
That is what you have. Everyone is lost in the fact that it takes power to run and simply moves past the part where it takes less power when you extract energy from it.
 
 

above design also produce motor effect while generating electricity with diode in series with generating coil.

Jim
All electric motors will drop in current draw once they get up to speed when they have a load applied to them from startup. Even without a load,an electric motor will draw a lot of current during start up. The current draw will drop as the rpm increases-->unless they have what is called a soft start.

Yep I know, the point I was trying to make is that I can get the same output by keeping the rotors irons magnetically isolated from each other but it greatly reduces consumption power

Luc
What you need to achieve is very simple,and no need for all these exotic test's that some are saying is needed. You simply need to be able to draw that 5 watts from your DUT,and have the drill press motor draw the same amount of power as it dose when the DUT is not present. This will show a true no load situation. Now,if you can then get the drill press motor to draw less when you activate the P/out on your DUT,then you know you have a motoring effect happening there.

I am going to hold off for a while in posting my !no load generator!,but when the time is right,i will post it here. I have found a way to create this flux gate using an electromagnet insted of rotating chunks of iron/steel. I still have a laminated steel rotor,but that is to carry the secondary magnetic field.The down side is,i am not getting 5 watt's out,more like 1.5 watt's,but the good stuff happens on the input side.

Yes Brad, I agree and is how I have been seeing it for some time now and why when I first shared my test device in this topic I said not to jump to conclusions until I'm satisfied with the input power.

I have some Large Iron Powder E core coming to me soon and that will be the make or break of this device.

I'm happy you're experimenting with an electromagnet instead of the PM as that may be the way to correctly make this device work as that was the way the originator of this topic did it.
Interestingly I was going to suggest that yesterday but forgot, so you beat me to it mate!
I was thinking the electromagnet could be connected to the output coil but have an AC cap in series which could give it a phase shift for the timing to work out?
There are so many things that still need to be tested.

Thanks for sharing mate!

Luc

Luc

Luc:

Brad is way off the mark like I explained in my posting to him.

The power dissipated in the coil resistance is not 4 watts.  I leave it to you to correct yourself or one of your peers on this thread or on the EF forum thread to correct you.  I view this failure of people to correct each other on the forums as an almost kind of malignant sickness.  Errors are made, nobody says anything, and then they propagate to the next steps in the process, screwing things up.  Somebody needs to fix this error.

When you made the wattage reading for the free spinning C-cores (no contact with the I-core) was the RPM about the same as when you did the other two tests?  If not, don't you think you might get a better baseline for comparison if the RPM is the same?

One more time, your manipulations with your power numbers don't really make sense to me.

Here is the challenge for you, and for all of your peers in this thread and on the EF thread.

Where is the input power from the mains going for your various tests?   Your Kill-a-Watt power reading is telling you how much power the entire system is drawing from the mains.  So where is that power going within the system?  Completely forget what you just stated a few postings ago with your additions/subtractions, etc, and start from scratch.

So that's my challenge to you and to all interested parties on both forums.  Wipe the slate clean and start over.  Can you make an estimate of where the input power is going?  Even if you have to make some assumptions, that's fine.

All of you please put your thinking caps on and try to figure this out.  Luc just did a new round of tests for the new configuration and some data was recorded.  With that data can you try to make an estimate of where the mains input power is going?

That's really what your testing is all about.  Where is the power going?

MileHigh

Looks like you're spinning your wheels MileHigh... no one cares!

They are searching for perpetual motion and will perpetually continue till they get there without obeying the Laws of Science.

Regards

Luc

Looks like you're spinning your wheels MileHigh... no one cares!

They are searching for perpetual motion and will perpetually continue till they get there without obeying the Laws of Science.

Regards

Luc

On the contrary Luc, anybody that has been following this thread cares about understanding what your setup is doing, and what the YouTube guy's setup is doing.  The forum participants and readers care about the overall generic issue.

You seem to be suggesting that your setup may not obey the laws of science?  That would be unwise and actually ridiculous.  Your setup is 100% conventional.  You are just copping out, something we have seen before.  Perhaps between the group here and the group on EF collectively you will be able to make some sense about what your tests are really doing.

Correct the problem with the power dissipation in the generator coil and then try to account for where the power is going.  That's a bare minimum that collectively you should be able to do together - no putting your heads in the sand.

MileHigh

to luc
I'm looking forward to your experiments and appreciate your efforts also. (I think you need two sperate coils. diode also needed to sperate the effect if it is the time while inducing magnetic field to coil or while it is collapsing)