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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1415666 times)

Offline wattsup

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #285 on: April 15, 2014, 07:06:55 PM »
@gotoluc

I understand completely. You know I am on your side man. I just hate wasting time. Our dearest friend @otto that just passed away in a blink of an eye left many things undone. His departure just kicked me into hyperdrive knowing that at my age (56) even in good enough shape, I can kick the bucket anytime. So who wants to waste any more time. Not me.

About your 1 watt OU testing, watch out for your scope probe ground. It will introduce so much crap into the circuits. Always have a habit of disconnecting the probe ground once in a while to verify if it is the cause of the effect. Because of that problem I always use my scope without the ground. I have learned how to interpret the waveform as being a pointal indication and not a referenced indication because the ground just screws things up especially when you are working on a floating ground system that had no ground of its own going to the mains. Tried explaining that at OUR but I guess I failed. hehehe Can't win them all.

Because you are such a great guy, I have been muddling an idea so I will put it here. It is not QEG related but much better and I personally think it has 1000 times more potential and should be very easy to do, and if it is promising, it can be replicated by anyone in the world.

So here goes nothing...hahaha.

A while back someone on the Energy Amplification thread asked me for new ideas. I did not forget so I'll put this one here. hahaha

OK, the best spinning sphere magnet I have ever seen was on youtube, a guy showing a sphere magnet rotating inside a Rodin coil. That magnet was turning so damn fast. So this proves to us that a Rodin coil produces a great rotating impulse matrix inside the donut hole.

You get that, right. Such great news indeed.

OK, now, the best low cost generator I know is a simple new or used car alternator. Funny that when you take it apart, you end up with this great donut shaped stator coil with three stout wire pairs leaving it.

The funniest thing is the stator looks just like a Rodin coil former (donut) and funny again that all that alternator stator wants is to see is a nice rotating field inside of its hole. hint hint

Due to lack of time, I will not be tackling this idea that has been bundling in the back of my mind for months now, so if anyone wants to tackle it and has some good Rodin winding techniques, because it does demand some discipline in the winding method (see youtube tutorials) and in the pulsing method sweeping for the sweet spot please do so because I think this type of "Spin Conveyance" may be a prime potential method when fine tuned as a low tech OU solution. Imagine an alternator with zero drag.

Why Rodin and a car Alternator?. Both techniques are proven performers so why not meld them into a Rodin Rotorless Alternator or maybe call it a "Rodinator". Maybe if JL Naudin reads this thread and needs a new challenge. hint hint

Why use the alternator stator? Because that part of the build technique is extremely difficult to get right the first time (say impossible) and these ready made stators enjoy millions in R&D and an already solid track record of performance. The winding angles, the armature, the known output all favor the rotating source field and not your regular axial core coupling. Maybe tape up the stator first so the Rodin coil wire does not get shorted on the armature. Or, find a good donut former that will fit the stator and hug the inside wall of the stator and wind the Rodin over that former.

Advanced Rodinators:

1) Maybe eventually add a center axial rotor magnet not too close to the armature so it can just float along pushing the effect with the Rodin providing the lead.  Could be an internal rotor magnet that does the switching that energizes the Rodin coils. Many ways indeed.

2) We may eventually discover that a virtual impress on the alternator armature has to ramp up slowly otherwise the armature may tend to seize or freeze the effect before it can overcome internal cancellations. Like requiring a minimum rpm to push output.

This means maybe a two layer Rodin. You start with one pulsing as a ramp up and when it gets to its maximum the second layer starts pulsing with the first then even a third layer after that one or as many as the design can handle. That stator is known to output 12 volts at 100 amps. Not a bad goal.

Even guys doing Jule Thief works, find a small motor stator, wind a small Rodin coil over it and pulse it. Play the hell out of it to find out what secrets can be discovered. Or take a naked toroid and wind a 2 or more wires Rodin coil style. Pulse one and tank the other(s). That's a new way to think of winding the toroid coils. It's like the Rodin and the Toroid were made for each other, both having the ability to engage in a virtual rotational loop.

Don't know if you heard it here first or not. Don't care. What matters is.... can it be done. All I know is I have not seen this anywhere so maybe this can be a more utilized out of the box approach and another part of the OU puzzle. This is however the type of approach I call realistic. You know where you stand from the start and not based on anything else but your own minds ability to reason out the build in your mind, work out all the bugs that you can in your head before starting a build. It is all pure creative logic in action but always keeping a realistic and open mind.

Everything around us is just yelling out "Please please love me for what I am and see in me the potential of what I can become."

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #286 on: April 15, 2014, 08:56:06 PM »
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For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.

Of course, all are eager to begin experimentation
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.

Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.

Quote from: MarkDansie
Having spend nearly 10 years and taking up to 40 plus flights a year assessing these devices and claims, I actually tend to think it is less likely as time goes on. My journey has taken me to [color=#0081BD !important][/color] locations around the world and the testing, investigating of over 100 devices. Several associates and friends have done  as much if not more as I, and reached the same conclusion.


could you please share how many device you have been up close to to form your opinion?(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)

Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places;  you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places.  You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption.  It is true.

While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.

How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.

The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.

Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #287 on: April 15, 2014, 10:41:36 PM »
SeaMonkey,

Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.

Where did you find them?

Could I have a link?

Regards,

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #287 on: April 15, 2014, 10:41:36 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #288 on: April 15, 2014, 10:41:49 PM »
Of course, all are eager to begin experimentation
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.

Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.

Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places;  you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places.  You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption.  It is true.

While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.

How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.

The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.

Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.  If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.  As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #289 on: April 15, 2014, 11:13:10 PM »
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags.

From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.

I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.

Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?

If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well

Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?

and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.

I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?

As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.

I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.

If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?

How would you know that it even existed?

If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?

I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?

Regards,

VIDBID


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #289 on: April 15, 2014, 11:13:10 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #290 on: April 15, 2014, 11:41:36 PM »
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.  If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.  As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?


 Well I can only tell you what they have presented in the videos so far.


 The prototype was said to put out 9,000 Watts peak, 4,000 watts nominally stable. But there was a problem with the secondaries shorting out at those higher outputs. So they did have a prototype and the video's show that. He was in his garage or workshop in that one.


 At Taipei They had a new core built and wound. In the process of that build they, The original builder and the Manufacturer, found out that they could layer the coils to extend the break down point and increase the stability of the coils. They need to be rewound. But even though they couldn't take the device into a higher output because of the shorts they found out that any additional speed in the motor driver caused a huge swing in the output VOLTAGE without loosing any current. This is where they were having the problem of the secondaries shorting out again. Without the new winding technique they couldn't go higher. This is a discovery period. They did have a prototype and they went on the limited success of the prototype to further interest in this device and secure funds to take it to the next level.


 As for suppressed Technologies we all know the thousands of patents that are confiscated each year under the guise of national security. How about the Coleman device.. Thats one... For sure. Those are suppressions even though some are suppressed for good reasons like public safety Hazardous materials and such. But You have to think about all of the others that do not fall into these categories.


 Suppression can come in many guises. Sudden financial threats. Bank accounts getting locked for no reason. Credit revoking. Foreclosures. And the most recent Suppression of not a technology but of rights, like in Nevada. 52 ranchers manipulated into loosing their right to public land usage. They will use all legal and not so legal avenues in the USA and get away with it if we do not stand up to these power brokers. All for a 3 billion dollar solar farm that will not be for us but for CHINESE interests Sold out by A senator who was promised probably a very good check for doing so. They do it ALL the time. Just open your eyes and you shall see. OPEN your eyes and stop closing them to these tactics.


 As for government having technology higher then us well thats absolutely RIGHT. My father was a civil contractor hired by G.E. He told me not to specific details, because of security clearance issues, about many high tech stuff even before it came out in the civil sectors. Let me tell you some of the stuff I even laughed at but yet here it is... Scarry... He said way back then about 25 years ago that the average difference in technology was 50 years from Military to civilian releases and I trust my fathers word on that. He had a wall of diplomas and certificates that showed me then his extensive education and he worked on many of the nuke subs we have that is a fact. Most military bases have two structures, an upper public structure and an extensive lower structure. The lower structure is where they keep all the hidden tech and the lower structures have dedicated power systems that we could not even dream of to isolate them from things like EMP's weapons to Nukes to name a few and the power systems are not nuclear in nature. Thats what I got from my limited talks with my dad.


 Take it for what it is worth suppression is what they do when it give the normal joe to much power. If we had such power there would be nothing in our way to just up and leave which they do not want us to do. They want us to feel helpless and just take their demands for everything we have or at bare minimum their cut.


 As for this project why not wait and see what happens? Why speculate they are defrauding anyone without one shred of proof that they are doing so? The only proof at this point would be to build the device and apply the updates that they have talked about. Without doing so you are crying foul before the ball is even thrown or to the plate!

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #291 on: April 16, 2014, 12:24:11 AM »
Let me recap from what I gotten from the PESN interview video and this thread.

1)  We are being presented a device that is driven by parametric excitation of inductance. 

2)  Driving a device with parametric excitation is an obscure method, although it is still a well understood process.  The parametric excitation modulates and builds up the noise currents in the winding of the device, noise currents that are created in the windings by exposure to ambient natural and man-made magnetic fields.

3)  Although there are zero windings on the rotor of the device to create Lenz effects, the build up of magnetic flux within the stator would likely create some magnetic drag on the rotation of the rotor, which in turn would cause at least some loading on the motor driving the rotor.  This load would likely be much less than the Lenz effect in a typical generators.

4) As a result of #3, as more load is place on the output of the device a reduction in the output voltage and or output current would be expected rather than an increase of the loading of the drive motor though the magnetic drag upon the rotor.

5)  As far as over unity capability of the device, the only suggested source for this has been some sort of mechanical-piezo effect involving the atoms of the magnetic core.  As far as I know, piezoelectric effects have yet to be verified as a source of over-unity operation in any device.  Everything else about the device seems common and ordinary in the field of motors and generators with the addition of a voltage limiting spark gap and resonant circuit tuned to a much higher frequency than the rest of the system.

6) In conclusion the device presented employs an unusual method of input, parametric excitation, which has been previously documented to be a viable method for the conversion of mechanical energy to electrical energy and to work with a COP of <  1.  Thus, it is my expectation for this device that it will generate a useful output at a COP of < 1. 

Now we have a least one person, who appears to be reasonably educated and skilled in the art, claiming the device operates at a COP of > 1, and his method of disseminating the information about the device appears to be appropriate for one, who honestly wants to get the information out to the world as fast and directly as possible.  Unfortunately the device described in that information costs upwards of $10,000 to build, making replication attempts cost prohibitive for a lot of would be replicators.  Also the videos presented so far have been less than comprehensive and convincing of any over-unity effects.

To facilitate replication and verification of over or under unity operation in this device, perhaps the core can be scaled down, so that a device would be made that would cost hundreds instead of thousands of dollars to build.  Aside from trying to figure out how to build a similar parametrically excited induction generator on a smaller scale, my take on this will be to just wait and watch.  Results from Taiwan should be rolling in soon enough over the coming days and weeks.

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For those of you with the interest for it, here is a link to my step by step analysis of the Tesla Hairpin Circuit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7gPeIVVy0A

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #292 on: April 16, 2014, 12:48:16 AM »
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As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

Only those who are at the very highest levels would
know why they are being reserved for widespread use
at some future time.  Their present use is for the most
part covert although in some instances have been
witnessed by unexpected observers; e.g. Area 51 and
elsewhere.

The present world system of control doesn't permit
anything to compete with the systems already in place
which are being used/manipulated to bring about the
Ultimate Plan.

What exists deep underground to ensure survival of
those "elites" would shock you.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #293 on: April 16, 2014, 12:54:45 AM »
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Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.

Where did you find them?

Could I have a link?

Aye, here they are:

First

Second



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #293 on: April 16, 2014, 12:54:45 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #294 on: April 16, 2014, 12:56:15 AM »


 A scaled down version is what I suggested. If this is a principle they are using I don't think scaling down would hurt it in an respect. The problem then becomes what are the ratio of primary and secondary and what is that relation to the core.


 I do have a 10.5" diameter 1" soft iron core but it is not subdivided. It is round stock and slit on the diameter or two halves of a circle. I was gonna use this for the motor/gen that I am building. I wonder if solid stock would work well enough to see the effect.


 I have a 250 watt scooter motor that I could use to drive it and see if this would do anything.


 The other problem for me is the copper wire. I don't have any yet and I don't really know what gauge it needs at the scaled down version.


 I would also need a rotor and mounting stand with brass fittings in between each coil as per my design.


 So I must get a few more things to try this out. In my version I'm gonna not use the big blocks he has for poles and only use the Toroid core I have with mounting hardware and a stand. I'll have to see when I can get additional parts and the huge amount of wire I need for the cores. Oh and in my version I can bobin the coils because the toroid is split. :)  This way I can try different coil setups like wind direction and solenoid versus bifilar as well.


 The core cost me 50 bucks and I need to machine it a bit as well and then have it re-softened after machining. The machining is only to flatten the split planes...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #295 on: April 16, 2014, 01:01:56 AM »
From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.
The hour long internal conference from Korea? indicated that they did not actually make that work.  Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.
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Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?
If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it.  Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever, but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the  stories with any actual proof of a device that works.  These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".
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Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?
Many humans are story tellers.  The difference between a story and reality is evidence.  These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.
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I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?
It requires a lot of material.  Building a working one requires skills no one has:  Altering electromagnetics.
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I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.
Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?  If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.
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If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?
Lots of advanced technology is classified.  It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.  When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.
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How would you know that it even existed?
Again, look at what gets replaced.
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How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?
Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.  May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?
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I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?

Regards,

VIDBID
You said that before.  There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.  Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #295 on: April 16, 2014, 01:01:56 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #296 on: April 16, 2014, 01:03:34 AM »
jbignes5:

I think the poles will be necessary to get enough flux gating to make the parametric excitation work.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #297 on: April 16, 2014, 01:13:08 AM »


 Well from what I understand it wont need the poles but we will see. The pole block would be easy enough to add if need be. I attached a picture of the core in my last post... I am slao thinking that I will need a coil on the rotor in this design to add a very strong magnetic field to the rotor. There would be almost no cogging in this design. My premise is to create a heavy magnetic field on the rotor via a closed looped coil on said rotor. This way it would guide the magnetic field around the toroid and cut the copper and generate a huge voltage depending on the thickness of the coils. But again I'm speculating.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #298 on: April 16, 2014, 01:28:34 AM »
Without the very small air gap between the rotor and poles when aligned, I would expect very little magnetic coupling between the rotor and stator.  This looks like a good device to model with FEMM or something similar.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #299 on: April 16, 2014, 02:29:27 AM »



 Well this is what I am basing this off of:


 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Tesla said that a toroid in this design would have infinite poles. So seeing that the poles define the machine then it should be way better. But like I said I will have to tinker with the design. By the way the magnets on the toroid I have shown are for the exciter section, If I need that part. Also as Tesla stated the increased capacitance of the bifilar coil should make additional caps not required. But again I'll have to tinker with that too.. First thing will be to try the setup like Hopegirl presents.

 

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