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MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2040 on: April 13, 2014, 09:20:43 PM »
Sure thing Mark,

It is entertaining how you avoid the questions that do not support your view, and then you also choose to take an ideal mathematical model and require a non-ideal external extraction process,, not exactly good science is it Mark.
Tom you are so full of it that your eyes must ooze brown.
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The system also does not behave in a linear fashion, but then to play with that a person would not be able to use your spreadsheet, would they Mark.
I have shown that Mondrasek's device does behave linearly.  You are free to keep trying to show otherwise.  You will fail like you have failed with your other assertions for 160 plus pages now.
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Heaven forbid if someone were to play with the AR1 fill heights.  What if they put in a height value of 21.57mm or less,, then what.

That's right,, that just becomes stupid because there is more out than what was put in,, and that without changing your spreadsheet, except for the spillway time.

ST2_AR1Height   21.57mm
ST2_EnergyAdded   0.0007132J
ST2_ST3_INTERNAL_ENERGY_LOSS   0.0007132J
ST2_ST3_External_Work_Performed   0.0007132J
ST2_ST3_PCT_ENERGY_LOSS   17.3%   
ST2_ST3_PCT_ENERGY_LOSS vs ST2_ENERGY_ADDED   100.00%   
ST3_Uplift       1.584875mm   Up Lift Distance


ST2_AR1Height    15mm
ST2_EnergyAdded   0.0003449J
ST2_ST3_INTERNAL_ENERGY_LOSS   0.0003799J
ST2_ST3_External_Work_Performed   0.0003799J
ST2_ST3_PCT_ENERGY_LOSS   10.1%   
ST2_ST3_PCT_ENERGY_LOSS vs ST2_ENERGY_ADDED   110.15%
ST3_Uplift   1.156696mm


Go figure that,, those changes just by changing the AR1 fill height.
Tom the ST2_ST3_EXT_ENERGY_EFFICIENCY value is 99.87% for your change.  The last time I checked that is still under 100%.  It has been more than four weeks now and you still don't understand the spreadsheet.  If you make the spillway time longer and longer, IE reduce the power throughput capability closer and closer to zero then you can push the efficiency closer and closer to 100%.  But you can never get to 100% and have the machine actually cycle.  I have shown you the physics and the algebra several times.  That you present yourself as unable to comprehend those realities is your shortcoming.

mondrasek

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2041 on: April 13, 2014, 09:21:03 PM »
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But, how does that 78.7% compare with a simple spring?

Just saying...

Bill

That is also true, Bill.

In my opinion there might be a difference between a simple spring and a ZED.  And that is because I know (think I know?) how a simple spring acts.  For a simple spring it does not matter what changes I make to the geometry of the spring:  it will always display the properties of F=kX.

Right now I am not so sure about a ZED.  It does not appear to act only to follow the expected F=mA requirements (nor an F=kX spring relationship).

And so I think it is necessary to test changes to the geometry of the model of the Ideal ZED to see if it always provides an (unusually high) efficiency of 78.7%, or if that efficiency varies under certain dimensional considerations.

M.

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2042 on: April 13, 2014, 09:22:16 PM »
M:

But, how does that 78.7% compare with a simple spring?

Just saying...

Bill
Unless the spring is made of Playdough:  the "ideal ZED" compares badly, and any "real ZED" compares even worse.

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2043 on: April 13, 2014, 09:27:51 PM »
That is also true, Bill.

In my opinion there might be a difference between a simple spring and a ZED.  And that is because I know (think I know?) how a simple spring acts.  For a simple spring it does not matter what changes I make to the geometry of the spring:  it will always display the properties of F=kX.

Right now I am not so sure about a ZED.  It does not appear to act only to follow the expected F=mA requirements (nor an F=kX spring relationship).

And so I think it is necessary to test changes to the geometry of the model of the Ideal ZED to see if it always provides an (unusually high) efficiency of 78.7%, or if that efficiency varies under certain dimensional considerations.

M.
But of course your "ideal ZED" behaves as a linear spring.  For the dimensions you specify:  At State 2 it has a force constant of -.57N/mm and a preload of 2.59mm.  At State 3 it has relaxed to zero preload.

78% efficiency for a spring is crap.

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2044 on: April 13, 2014, 09:46:38 PM »
As predicted you avoided the question, you must have missed it, it's a perfectly reasonable question, I will posted again for you, maybe we'll help you if it's in red letters,
Name a single Ph.D. and/or professional engineer who endorses your fraud..
Diversion Troll

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2045 on: April 13, 2014, 09:48:09 PM »
mrwayne

Do you think i tried to make diversion ?,  show us that your nda stated that you must hide your engineer identities, dunno how, or maybe just type it here, so, there will be no more one asking about your engineer, right ?. you talk about diversion, if you can eliminate  "engineer issue" then you can eliminate at least one  diversion, the discussion will run smoothly on mathematical proof only, that's my point, but sadly you took it wrong.

sometime, i think it is you who make diversion, but whatever..   

see your actual machine, October next years.

peace...
My Business are private thank you.

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2046 on: April 13, 2014, 09:52:28 PM »
It's good to hear you state your position, but Wayne's mathematics has been shown to be at fault and no one has ever been able to produce a working device that produces free energy from his mathematics.

Wayne apparently chooses not to release any information that might support his claim and of course let's not forget the promised public verification..... all we get from Wayne is excuses like ...everything is secrets until some future launch date = if everything is so secret why the hell come on this website in the first place.   The man comes across as a conman.
Secret LOL - The ZED has been revealed in pain staking detail - while enduring your trash talk....
go on.....
 

mondrasek

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2047 on: April 13, 2014, 09:55:14 PM »
But of course your "ideal ZED" behaves as a linear spring.  For the dimensions you specify:  At State 2 it has a force constant of -.57N/mm and a preload of 2.59mm.  At State 3 it has relaxed to zero preload.

78% efficiency for a spring is crap.

Yep.  You are correct. 

Regarding your comment : "For the dimensions you specify..."

You do remember the reason why those dimensions were selected, right?  To be clear:  the selection of the dimensions of the "Ideal ZED" model were mostly random.  I will concede that I chose one ratio (of height to width) that was recommended by Mr. Travis.

The important point for all to understand about this Analysis of an Ideal ZED is this (IMHO):  If the ZED does NOT react as expected by the currently understood laws of Physics, then could some configuration (Engineering) be capable of providing some benefit from how it does react?

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2048 on: April 13, 2014, 09:58:23 PM »
Let's see... if Mags doesn't know something, then nobody does, and that makes your argument invalid. Is that how it goes, Magsie?

FYI:

1. There are plenty of people who know just exactly who and what I am, my history and qualifications and etc. and some of them are reading this thread right now. You aren't one of them, but that's irrelevant to the issue at hand. The "important" people do know! If you want to know why people on the internet want to preserve their privacy a little bit .... well, just google "internet killers" for examples.

2. If I had a device that was truly OU and that I was trying to publicize, sell, make money from, convince the set of insignificant trolls of..... you bet I'd be saying right out front everything anybody needed to know to make my claim as credible as possible, starting with the names of my co-authors on the SCIENTIFIC PAPERS that announce my discovery to the scientific world....that is, if the US DoD and Naval Research Laboratories aren't already knocking at (down) my door. No problem, bro.....

3. Once again.... it doesn't matter if the critics are a bunch of anonymous pastry cooks...... what matters is that the Claimant, Honest Wayne Travis, has never yet produced the evidence for his claims. But it's more than that: not only has he just not produced it, he has FAILED, he has "expectations not met, promises not kept, doors closing" and so forth: meaning he still doesn't have a self runner as he claimed and he is still paying for his electric bill at his home and shop.
Very scientific of you TK.... are these the assumptions you used to make your facts??
Now - maybe you can help MarkE - he is stuck....
 
How much energy is available to recycle in a ZED, after the external load has been lifted - and what is the cost of resetting the system???
Use your "Scientific abilities" and show us you still got it!
P.s. Please post your name and address for credit.
 

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2049 on: April 13, 2014, 10:04:55 PM »
Under normal circumstances a lot of what you say is very justified, but we are talking about Wayne Travis' who won't give out any technical information who won't have his device verified who promises things will happen soon, who keeps telling everyone they have missed it.
Powercatt ........ I won't give any technical information...... oh brother...........
Seven different people have given very technical information - and you and your Trolls interrupt and insult every effort to share....
Now that you are busted for being trolls - by MarkE - you claim you do not have enough information to make a decision.....
Well you had enough to claim the ZED could not work, you had enough to call everyone frauds, liars, shills, delusional...
SO here it is - DID you not have enough information to make all those slanderous comments? ???
Or did lack of DUE DILIGENCE reveal you are a TROLL....
 
Yep - it did.....
Now can you man up to your mistake - or will you just go on another troll attack??
We will see.   

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2050 on: April 13, 2014, 10:12:38 PM »
The way that you li so freely and shamelessly is just awesome Wayne.  The math and physics are completely against you yet you just keep repeating your fantastical tales of:  Wayne Travis fraud.
Yeah, I will wait for you to apologize...... just won't hold my breath.
I thought you said we did not give you all the information needed...I guess now you have it all?
Or are you just making another baseless assumption......
 

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2051 on: April 13, 2014, 10:30:14 PM »
To All,
I am very sorry for the constant interruptions... It is time for the skeptics to become skeptics.
Attacking people and their ideas is not helping anyone - it is just a game to TK, MarkE, Mh, and powercatt.....(got it right this time Pirate-- so sorry)...
I tried very hard for over two years to discuss our discovery only to have every page filled with garbage -
Those men need to work for Jerry Springer.... because as TK said - I look for holes to exploit...(his choice of words)..
 
Well inventors look for problems to solve - not ways to shut thinking down.... Big difference.
Which purpose is this web site here for???
To compete with Jerry Springer - or solve the energy needs?
.......................
I want to thank those of you who have called for proof of claims - and stopped the diversions..
Most of all - Those of you who support research, put your hands on tests, and due diligence!
Take care
 
 

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2052 on: April 13, 2014, 10:55:32 PM »
Does that mean you will stop filling every page with garbage now?

MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2053 on: April 13, 2014, 10:57:34 PM »
What I have observed from Wayne recently is the "Big Lie" theory acted upon with a new level of intensity.  Repeat something that's not true over and over (in fact it's a huge lie), and eventually people will start to believe it.  So he hopes.  It's all about having the audacity to just do it and try your best to ignore the comments that point out that it's a big lie.  It's like a bluff tactic in a military battle to confuse your opponent into surrendering.

And of course, he has shown not one single smidgen of proof that he has anything at all.

It all fits into the "John Rohner" pattern quite nicely.

The wisest way for the average person to approach this issue is to assume he has nothing unless he proves otherwise.  It's just basic common sense.

There are important principles involved, and there are real people that are being hurt.  There is the potential for even more people to get hurt in the future.

Wayne can puff out his chest and pretend all he wants, it's still a croc of crap.

MileHigh

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minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2054 on: April 13, 2014, 11:27:29 PM »



    I had this thought, it's just ludicrous, educated adults arguing about a stupid thing like
    this.
        For it to work you'd need at least 150% back from a stroke and the machine would
    have to be colossal.
       If it was any good there's no reason a qualified person wouldn't be able to verify it.
    Koala, MarkE and Mark Dansie are all really honest as far as I can see and I wouldn't
    doubt their scientific ability.
                        John.