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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2364773 times)

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3180 on: February 26, 2016, 05:06:38 PM »
Your calculations show that you do not realize one thing. I have made a very weak electromagnet to find out if low input can result in COP>1 results. Earlier results have been above 400 volts and could not be tested. If you need to increase the output you only need to slightly enable the current flow through the primaries to be higher. That will create a more powerful magnetic field and more powerful secondary. Please check Magnetic field strength curve to see that with the increase of few ampere turns the magnet will go in to the saturation path. It is a steep curve.

This is not rocket science but calculations and safety precautions are needed here.

I suggest that you go through this material to learn this

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/solenoid.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_hysteresis

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/magnetic-hysteresis.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturation_(magnetic)

You need to realize that I have used the geometry of the device to make use of very high weight but very low magnetic field strength to create a higher magnetic field strength in the central secondary.

We only need to increase the current slightly to get a jump in the output in secondary as secondary magnetic field strength will then immediately increase manifold. The input was 220 volts and 0.15 amps. if I make the input 220 volts and 0.5 amps the iron in primaries would go to saturation or at least the iron in secondary would go to saturation and then what we get is 500 volts+ in secondary immediately.

You speak to a person who has done numerous experiments and has got hands on experience. I'm dummy yes but a dummy who don't give up and learn continuously and work hard.

Genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration..Who said that..I think Edison..Right.. Thanks for recognizing my perspiration. 

ignacio

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3181 on: February 26, 2016, 06:45:14 PM »
Esto es lo que dice C.F. en las patentes, se alimenta una serie de bobina y luego se alimenta la otra, como un generador o una dinamo. Lo que se puede conseguir sin el cachivache con 2 diodos (pongo 4 para que se vea mejor) usando corriente alterna.
En cuanto a las recolectoras, si en una recogemos 12 volt tendremos que tener 20 para obtener 240 volt, o usar un transformador. Así si queremos obtener 240 volt en cada recolectora tendremos que bobinarlas con (¿20 veces mas vueltas?) mas vueltas, cada una de las colectoras.
La teoría es muy simple como lo explica C.F. lo que hay que pasarlo a la práctica. No se expone nada nuevo, con darle la vuelta a una serie de electroimanes tienen NN, SS, NS, SN, o lo que quieran. Las verdes recolectoras (que si es para recoger 240 volt, se conectan en paralelo y si recoges 34 volt en serie ). Azul y Roja son los electroimanes inductores.
La foto es de los reles que me hizo un conocido, para retroalimentación.
Sigo esperando al mono 101.

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« Reply #3182 on: February 27, 2016, 09:29:28 AM »
Could you translate that in English please

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« Reply #3183 on: February 27, 2016, 02:01:43 PM »
Las traducciones que hago son con traductor de Internet y he recibido algunos mensajes, que no concuerdan con lo escrito en español.
Translations I do are with Internet translator and I received some messages that do not match what is written in Spanish.

Esto es lo que dice C.F. en las patentes, se alimenta una serie de bobina y luego se alimenta la otra, como un generador o una dinamo. Lo que se puede conseguir sin el cachivache con 2 diodos (pongo 4 para que se vea mejor) usando corriente alterna.
En cuanto a las recolectoras, si en una recogemos 12 volt tendremos que tener 20 para obtener 240 volt, o usar un transformador. Así si queremos obtener 240 volt en cada recolectora tendremos que bobinarlas con (¿20 veces mas vueltas?) mas vueltas, cada una de las colectoras.
La teoría es muy simple como lo explica C.F. lo que hay que pasarlo a la práctica. No se expone nada nuevo, con darle la vuelta a una serie de electroimanes tienen NN, SS, NS, SN, o lo que quieran. Las verdes recolectoras (que si es para recoger 240 volt, se conectan en paralelo y si recoges 34 volt en serie ). Azul y Roja son los electroimanes inductores.
La foto es de los reles que me hizo un conocido, para retroalimentación.
Sigo esperando al mono 101.

This is what he says C.I.F in patents, it feeds a number of coil and then fed the other as a generator or dynamo. What can be achieved without the gimmicks with 2 diodes (I put 4 so that it looks better) using alternating current.
As for the collectors, if a 12 volt collect we will have 20 for 240 volt, or use a transformer. So if we get 240 volts in each gatherer we have to bobinarlas with (20 times more laps?) More laps, each collector.
The theory is quite simple as explained by C. F. what you need to pass it into practice. is not exposed anything new, to turn around a series of electromagnets have NN, SS, NS, SN, or whatever they want. Gatherer green (if it is to collect 240 volt, are connected in parallel and if you collect 34 volt series). Blue and Red are the electromagnets inductors.
The photo is of the relays that made me known, for feedback.
I'm still waiting for the monkey 101.

Doug1

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« Reply #3184 on: February 27, 2016, 02:45:00 PM »
1908 Pat
" [size=0pt]As seen in the drawing the current once that has made it's function returns to the [/size]
[size=0pt]generator where taken. Naturally in every revolution of the brush will be a change of [/size]
[size=0pt]sign in the induced current, but a switch will do it continuously if wanted. From this current [/size]
[size=0pt]is derived a small part to excite the machine converting it in self-exciting and to operate[/size]
[size=0pt]the small motor which moves the brush or the switch. The external current supply,[/size]
[size=0pt]this is the feeding current is removed and the machine continue to operate without any help indefinitely.[/size][/b]
   There is no point with out being able to remove the external source of power which
started the machine into working. No transformer of mechanical work to electrical output ie prime mover, no continuous input from an external source such as in a step up or down transformer. The coils are a secondary issue, how they work together is a primary issue.Without the first problem resolved your wasting your time working on the second problem building to unknown specs. If the source of the magnetic field is removed the output of the generator has to be capable of powering the field and the motor rotating the brush plus the external load. What is the total output to power the external load and the motor and the field being used to produce the induction. Even for the case of using solid state electronic drivers there is a total of the load from the output to power the external load and the driver circuitry. If you have no idea of the total load by which to build the y coil and core how will determine how strong the field needs to be to produce the amount of induction to supply the total load. This is not like sitting in the back of the class so you can screw off all day and when the test comes you can cheat off the kids in the front of the class by looking over their shoulder to get the answers. not unless you have the ability of spiritual remote viewing by way of out of body travel. To a hammer everything is a nail. To a doctor everything can be fixed with drugs or surgery never do they seek to improve the living condition because that would take away all the sick people and in turn their income. If you think you can fix everything with more electronics instead of basic understanding of how a generator works in order to figure out what the electronics need to do then you will never finish. Because the medical doctor and the hammer will never be able to build a boat without knowing why it floats.
 

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« Reply #3185 on: February 27, 2016, 08:22:29 PM »
Doug...

The answers to all your statements are there in the patent itself.
Feedback coil has a higher output than needed. This is why primary wires go to Earth to avoid runaway current. 1908 patent does not disclose the feedback coil clearly. 1914 patent does.
I think we can dispense with the rotary device but will not discuss it here. That a feedback coil was wound under the secondary indicates the polarity of the poles.
This patent is now very clear. I will do it in one or two months but will indulge in a bit of cheating to reduce core size.  Otherwise it is perfect. I am loooking at between 3000-4000 watts output only with my small cores. Let us wait and see if it works as expected. Except Moray device all other EM devices reported fall in this category as long as there is no motion in the cores. McFarland Cook Figuera Hubbard Hendershot Cater all devices follow the same principles.

There is nothing new except that we lost this information.

The devices comply with all expected performance criteria.

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Ramaswami


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« Reply #3187 on: February 28, 2016, 02:33:39 AM »
En un alternado de coche, se auto alimentan las bobinas inductoras, con una pequeña parte de la electricidad producida por el propio alternador.
¿es valida esta respuesta?
In a car alternator, the field coils are self powered, with a small portion of the electricity produced by the alternator itself.
Is it validates this answer?

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« Reply #3188 on: February 28, 2016, 01:28:10 PM »
In a car alternator, the field coils are self powered, with a small portion of the electricity produced by the alternator itself.
Is it validates this answer?
IMHO I think it does...

All the best
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NRamaswami

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« Reply #3189 on: February 28, 2016, 02:45:11 PM »
Unfortunately I do not know any thing about Car Alternators and how they work. I understand they have a rotating core and the power for rotation is provided by the movement of the car. My understaning is that it is similar to a cycle dynamo. Probably it is not correct or may be correct.

Neither Buforn Nor Figuera discloses the full mode of the feedback coil. Figuera does not even mention the existence or placement of Feedback coil. Buforn disclosed it only in the 1914 patent possibly for he needed to show an improvement to get another patent.

I have tried the exact description of Buforn but it does not work. If there are number of turns voltage comes but there is very low amperage and the feedback coil is not able to match the primary coil input from the mains. But I have used only one module but Buforn shows 8 modules for operating the device. I was able to get only 168 watts maximum in the feedback coil wound. That is just one third of what primary input was. However it was only from one module. Possibly it will go up with series connection of the feedback coil in all the 8 cores.  Our friends are correct that it COP>1 cannot come from one secondary. Same applies for feedback coil as well.

I do have a doubt that the rotary device functioned as a spark generator for generating high voltage high frequency continuous current to go to earth points at the ends of the primary. Figuera says that a Switch will do it if necessary and I'm unable to understand it. What was the meaning of a switch in his time?

I'm fairly certain that the primary coils are thin wires that can withstand high voltage at low amperage. Secondary coils are much more thicker wires than the 4 sq mm wires I have used so far and are probably in the 15 sq mm wire to 25 sq mm wire size. We have got very good amperage when using thicker coils. BuForn may not be accurate that he indicates 300 amperes and 20000 watts but higher amperage wires must be used.

We will be repeating the COP>1 experiment we did earlier again for repeatability test. In one primary current moves from outer to inner and in the parallel primary current moves from inner to outer and in both the rotation is in the same direction. Viktor Schauberger calls the movement from outer to inner as implosion. I need to check whether that was the reason for the COP>1 output. In all other modes we were unsuccessful. If we go to saturation of the core Lenz law does not appear to apply but we are told that it is neither safe nor sustainable in the long run.

We will do another round of testing by Middle or March or end of March and I will update again. It is the cost of the thick highly insulated copper coils that is a problem here.

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« Reply #3190 on: February 28, 2016, 03:37:24 PM »
NRamaswami: no malgastes tu dinero. Solo replica un alternador, dinamo, generador, con el único cambio de que va ha ser inmóvil, 14 bobinas inductoras, y 7 recolectoras, la retroalimentación, se obtiene de la propia electricidad generada, en las 7 bobinas recolectoras.
Lo que has expuesto algunas veces es interesante, pero para otras cosas.

Ramaswami: do not waste your money. Only replicates an alternator, dynamo, generator, with the only change that will has to be stationary, inductive coils 14, and 7 gatherer, feedback is obtained from the electricity itself generated in the 7 gatherer coils.
What you have exposed sometimes interesting, but for other things.

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« Reply #3191 on: February 29, 2016, 03:20:18 PM »
NRamaswami

 A car alternator is a generator it outputs three phase which is rectified to produce a smooth dc to power the car accessories and recharge the starting battery. If your alternator is in good shape you can remove the battery ofter the car is running.Or at least remove one of the battery connections. I don't know where I ever heard that before. The regulator the part which feeds the rotating field from a portion of the output is located before the rectifier or after the rectifier I wonder? So the rotating field is ac or dc in a generator/alternator? ignacio seems to be a sensible person. 
  Funny thing about an alternator is it can produce much more then 13.5 volts dc if the speed is kept up to get 60 hertz you can high jack the output where it delivers 120 volts. Is it a problem of being cryptic or is it a problem of not being able to think beyond specific directions in order to figure out something. These little generators are nearly everywhere so why not study what already works then change it to work differently. Dont forget it just isnt special without some blinking LED's. Im beginning to wonder if people have shares of stock in companies who make Led's on these boards.

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« Reply #3192 on: February 29, 2016, 05:31:13 PM »
A car alternator rotor coils are "DC" electromagnets applied through slip rings after the diodes with 12 volts through regulator.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 08:43:33 PM by marathonman »

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« Reply #3193 on: February 29, 2016, 07:22:09 PM »
Marathon Man: Un alternador de coche bobinas del rotor son electroimanes "DC" aplicados a través de anillos colectores después de los diodos con 12 voltios.
Y alimentados, con la electricidad rectificada, generada en ellos.
C.F. dice, lo mismo. Pero, con piezas fijas, alimentando con corriente pulsada, 1/2 onda, a los electroimanes (histéresis). Con electricidad alterna, mediando un diodo, 1/2 onda a un lado y 1/2 onda, al otro lado, separadas en el tiempo.
Marathon Man: A car alternator rotor coils are electromagnets "DC" applied through slip rings after the diodes with 12 volts.
And fed with rectified electricity generated in them.
C. F. says the same. But, with fixed parts, feeding pulsed current, 1/2 wave, the electromagnets (hysteresis). With AC power, upon a diode half wave aside and 1/2 wave across, separated in time

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« Reply #3194 on: February 29, 2016, 08:41:39 PM »
ignacio; " C. F. says the same. But, with fixed parts, feeding pulsed current, 1/2 wave, the electromagnets (hysteresis). With AC power, upon a diode half wave aside and 1/2 wave across, separated in time"

I read this 10 times and still am drawing a blank. can someone  please help?