Sir..

Saw your post and have some time to respond..

I do not know any thing about Refrigeration or quite frankly speaking on any Electrical device. I'm a Lawyer and by some invisible force that kicks me that I have got in to this field.

I have tried to learn Electronics and this soldering thing got me such an allergy I have given it up. So if you say that the square device uses Figuera Principles it might well be and I do not know how your device works and so I have to agree with you particularly for I do not have any knowledge.

I used 220 volts AC from Mains. As far as I'm aware pulsed DC means simply one thing. If you give AC through a diode it produces half waves pulsed DC and if you give it through a diode bridge it will give full wave diode bridge..

BuForn is correct in saying that the Primaries do the job and the secondary coil just sits there if I understand the translation correctly. I do not  read spanish and I had a hard time requesting people to get it translated. Especially the last patent of BuForn.

I built a commutator, a custom built one as prescribed by Figuera design and it was not satisfactory. It created a lot of sparks when it ran fast and so the Electrical engineering student working with me made a step down gear to reduce the speed and we had to make it touch three points at one time to reduce the spark but it still had sparks at one contact place. So we gave up.

I have tried to use the FW diode bridge at 220 volts and it drew so much of current that the circuit braker tripped. So I do not use pulsed DC. I have tested it with 50 volts 16 amps step down transformer but the efficiency was low and so I gave it up. We have seen higher the voltage better is the performance. And when the coils are connected in parallel better is the performance.

My understanding is fairly limited on theory and so if what I write is nonsensical just simple plain ignore it as the blabbering of an ignorant person. I'm not a subject matter expert. 

I believe that when a coil is wire is looped around an iron core and current is passed electromagnet is created. The current is also present in the iron rods. This current is called Eddy current. This current is more if the magnetic field strength in the core is higher. So current can co-exist in iron rods along with magnetism. If you want to check this test the rods with a tester and you will see that the rods have current. Be careful and put on your rubber shoes and gloves and do not get in to any shock. Do not test this with DC for if you are suffer an accident DC will now allow you to withdraw your hand but AC will allow you to withdraw your hand and you can survive. I hope you are aware of these things. So yes current and magnetism exist together in iron rods.

The thing is this. You can make a given core a strong electromagnet or a weak electromagnet by controlling the current or by controlling the Ampere turns ( Number of turns per unit length). For the same current and same Ampere turns a smaller mass of Iron gets saturated but if you add more iron the magnetism is reduced. To reduce core saturation add more iron. That is the simple formula.

Ok So we have it here.

What is magnetism..We do not know much..

What is a permanent magnet.. When DC current is sent in the coils of wire the material becomes a permanent magnet. Depending on the combination of the material used the Permanent magnet may be a strong permanent magnet or weak permanent magnet. I'm also told that if we sent AC also through steel rods, steel will become permanent magnet always and to remove the magnetism it must be heated beyond the Curie Temperature ( what the heck is that? I do not know really) or we must provide current and bring down the voltage slowly using a Variac.

Soft iron rods are those that will become an electromagnet only when current is sent and will lose the magnetism the moment the current is cut off.

What is the difference between Permanent magnet and Electromagnet. Permanent magnets do not like electromagnets and oscillate violently if we keep them in our hands and move towards electromagnet. Some how this permanent magnet thing which is an inert lifeless thing knows that an electromagnet is present and oscillates in our hand. It does not like to be moved towards an electromagnet.  How the heck does it know that it is being moved towards an Electromagnet and why it does not like it.? I do not know..But this is how a permanent magnet behaves. So do magnets have life? We do not know. Permanent magnets also do not show any eddy current..Only Electromagnets show Eddy current. Permanent Magnet is cool to touch. Electromagnet is hot. How do I know? Without knowing any one of these things and the risks involved I used to stand on the wooden floor we have made and used to take the rods from inside the core by empty hand..God was so kind to me that I did not have any shocks for I was standing on the wood always. My driver tested it with tester and we were shocked oh my God Rod has current..Rod has heat and Rod has Magnetism..all in one place..This is the electromagnet.

So what exactly is magnetism? We do not know. Some very knowledgeable clients atttempted to teach me what the heck is Magnetism..I asked them hey you convert this rod to Permanent Magnet, Strong Magnet and Weak Magnet and Strong Electromagnet and weak electromagnet..The knowledgable clients did not know these practical things..So people do not know.

As I understand it, magnetism is like a gas. Same amount of core can have higher magnetism and can be saturated and can have lower magnetism.

You can compress gas and fill it up in a cylinder. The same gas can be given to a ballon and the balloon will become very big and the density of gas inside is so low that the balloon will starting floating in air. So we can think that the magnetism is like a gas.

Now this gas like Magnetism some how enters the iron rods when current is sent through the wires looped around it and a small amount of current is sufficient to create magnetism in a large amount of iron. This magnetism appears to come from air. Because apart from wire and current we do not have any thing else for this magnetism to come suddenly. It cannot come from another star. For we know Air is here and we also know that air has electrical charges. We call it static electricity..

Now because the magnetism is like a gas, it can be compressed and decompressed. If you provide a two primaries which current first like this
P1------>Y coil<---------P2 with the direction of rotation of current being same the situation is NS-NS-NS in all three cores. Ok..

Now if you make the Y coil secondary smaller than the primary coils the magnetism of both the primary coils each of 60 kgm enters the secondary of 30 kgm. So now we have magnetism compressed in the secondary coil.. Here the density of the magnetism becomes higher. Text books say that the strength of the magnetic field or saturation of the magnetic core or some thing like that but essentially it is a case where the density of the magnetism is higher. Let us say about 4 times higher than in the primary P1 and P2.

Now I gave you the example P1-S1-P2   Here we have primary current first moving like this ------>S1<------ and then they move like this
<------S1--------->

I think you would agree with me on this. When this happens the concentrated magnetism in S1 is weakened. So S1 is subjected to time varying magnetic field strength. Or the magnetism in S1 is made stronger and weaker. Electricity is induced when a conductor is subjected to time varying magnetic field is the rule of Electromagnetic Induction. We see that it is correct for secondary produces current. Connect the secondary to load lamps and lamps light up.

Again look at this The only thing that is done in P1 and P2 is for current move like this -----> and like this<------. That is all P1 and P2 does..

Now if you put P3 and P4 like this again and they do the same thing you have a similar situation and we will call the secondary placed there as S3..So S3 also produces a current.

But if you place all of them like a Train P1-S1-P2-S2-P3-S3-P4 . You see now the S2 gets magnetism increased and decreased. We need not provide any additional current for this in P1, P2,P3,P4..

This is some thing that you cannot agree and will not agree unless you do the experiment as indicated above. You will tell me where is this gas coming from in S2 unless we supply additional current..No need to supply additional current here.

Now forget your text books, forget your theories and listen to this dummy and do the test like this and connect the secondaries in series and connect the primaries in parallel and you will know. Please measure your readings without the S2 being present and with S2 being present as indicated. Any one any where can test these things. Primary does not require additional input to generate magnetism in S2 and hence additional output from S2.

This is how simply I can explain it. I apologize that I'm writing like this but this is the truth.

When Buforn says he has current and magnetism he refers like me ( He is also a Patent Attorney like me..Aha what a coincidence) to the Rods carrying Heat, as well as current as well as Magnetism..What a wonder of the world you see. It is so simple really. You need to create a large train like thing to get this magnetism thing to get in to iron. Most strangely if the wire has thick insulation more current is produced in the secondary and more current is drawn in the primary..No one talks about this except Daniel McFarland Cook in his 1871 Patent.

Is this a violation of Law of Conservation of Energy..No. The Law to be applied here is the Law of conservation of Energy for open systems. There is no violation of that law. Law of conservation for closed systems does not apply here. why? Neither Energy can get inside nor energy can get outside of a closed system. Here Magnetic poles are open.

Incidentally in your device Magnetism will leak enormously at the edges of the square. Magnetism likes to leak out of any system.

This is all I know..Please I beg you to understand that I do not know much..I cannot write about the improvements I have made to these concepts let us say improvements of dummy..but they are so commonsense.

I do not understand how Lenz law first comes if there is no secondary. I can tell you how to defeat Lenz law in a single core solenoid easily as I have already done it. That is a non issue really but Lenz law comes only if there is a secondary. Not otherwise.

I apologize if I have miscommunicated or hurt you in any way without intending to do so. Please I'm not trained in this subject and I do not know much about any thing. So I can only tell you what I have observed.

If you after advice on this free energy 'stuff' my advice to you is give it up before you kill your self and i have not seen any thing that works with out some one pulling a fast one in some way or another, unless you have a verry goog iseda no one has tried before, your going to wast money on it !

good luck

AG

..I think people do no read this thread any more..
Regards
Ramaswami

I will do it

And thanks Hanon

Two user saying to have success, one in this forum, and one in the spanish forum, are stating the same: more than one single set is required, because sets seems to interact and increase the output.

Both users say that with one set they could not find OU. One user got it with 2 sets and same poles confronted, and the commutator. The other user think that a minimum of 4 sets are required. He also used same poles  confronted, but he is just using pulsed DC, as the 1902 patent.. Pay attention..!!

I need to build my second set !!

Randy, all the info that I think it is important about same poles confronted is collected in my website, in the Globe Sketch below my username

Good luck

 None of the patents show a single set of inducers and only one patent sort of details the source with which the device is started the rest make little mention of the source. The early ones are moving the Y coil between two poles a N and S without moving the iron cores. It is a totally different generator more like the wind generators that place the coil outputs in a formed disk and on the ether side of the disk are permanent magnets that are stationary.The disk with coils is what is moving through the magnetic fields as it rotates. It is not motionless like the 1908 version. Even in a rotor for an automotive alternator the rotating field magnet is designed so the alternating poles work to squeeze the fields so they extend outward away from the pole faces as the field is increased. The shape and over all geometry of the fingers making up the poles are carefully designed.At first glance it would look like the fields should just complete the magnetic path going form one finger to the next and never even try to reach out to the stator. A closer examination will reveal the air gaps from finger to finger are greater then from finger to stator. The easy path is not from finger to finger but from finger to stator and back to opposite finger. There is yet another flaw if you imagine the gap from finger to stator is crossed twice so the distance between the finger and stator compared to finger to finger is accounted for over the entire path and the gap from finger to finger is greater then the two times added together of crossing the gap from finger to stator. They creatively use the gap to control the route which the magnetic field will take using air gaps. Thats all fine dandy for the alternator. They did their work solved the problems and found a happy medium for all the problems. they get what they deserve ,a working generator for a automobile. If they went off willy nilly and did not solve the problems they would not have a working generator just a big pile of trash. You get out what you put in. Trash in trash out.

Hi Hanon

Why not try NSNSNS which you promised to check any way earlier..

What is the input voltage..Increase it..

please check what happens and advice?

That is what worked for me. Iron core is so small and you are ignoring a major thing. But with what you check the other pole..

regards

Rams

Mr. Perxime

Thanks for the link on the Newman book. I am personally aware copper is highly magnetic but using thick wires would have caused a lot of current to be drawn.  that was a problem.

You have now given me another method to use high voltage and low amperage. We will now use this method to drive large copper coil.

We are aware copper is highly magnetic and produces enormous amperage. We did not knowhow to produce high voltage and high amperage output. You have opened my eys. Copper is very expensive and I do not know when I will do the experiments I have in my mind. God alone knows.

Hanon..You are using very thin wires and you must use thicker wires.

Hanon;

 I believe the key to your dilemma may assume the form of Mr Robert Adams. he so stated that the key to his device was longer magnets compared to their width so this leads us to a point where some research on your part would of come in handy.
the research that I have done told me that an electromagnet only will put out a flux field as long as the coil length .....so that tells me by the pic you have posted that your flux depth from your coil is way short of it's intended goal or depth.
you have a 2" primary plus a 2" secondary plus at least 1/2" in gap between the first primary and 1/2" gap between the other primary, this equals 3".....(wrong)
your primary can not even reach to the other side of the secondary, that is why you have zilch for output. you need at least no less than the golden ratio of 1.618 which will give you 3.2" depth on your primary through the core. (Minimum)
i would even have gone 3.5 to 4 inches but 3.2 will work in your case. this is not even considering your core material that looks like very hard steel (wrong)
steel can only be used for primaries (Not secondaries) remember the secondaries reverse there polarities so something softer is a must.

so as you know i am a nut in this forum so take that info as you wish. but as an old dog you know my trick. Woof !
advice is as follows;
make your primaries longer, no less than 3.2 " shorten your gap in between the prime and secondaries to half of what you have now. and stick with the wire you have now just 6 layers bifiler. pm me i will help you out there and as for the other person, well those calculation are incorrect and i will show you why.

Figuera forever piece out.

I would also like to address a less obvious set of problems in the standard train of thought. When a person builds a electromagnet they tend use the length of conductor to reduce the current consumed in the circuit by extending the conductor to a length that provides the resistance to control the current. happily a stronger magnet can be formed by more turns of the conductor so the longer the conductor the more turns can be placed on the core. Nothing at all wrong with that it certainly does work as stated. Yet if that were the direction to the type of inducer magnet why is there the commutator and resister set up to control the current before the inducer magnets? Why add more parts without any reason? One of the other methods to increase the strength of a magnet is to increase the current over the same length of conductor. In which case the wire thickness would need to be thicker to handle the larger current without melting. In a steady state of current the thickness would have to be very thick.The core would have to be sized to accommodate the thicker winding. Or multiple parallel windings could be used which equal the thicker conductor. With greater current that is not steady ,that is to say it varies in some way the time constant for which the current is at it's maximum would be the indication of the conductors maximum capabilities. A wire that is rated for a maximum current in dc terms is meant for a period time sometimes even at a long period of time without over heating. The time which is in the case of a partially fluctuating current will be different. If at a rate of change the maximum is only for a fraction of a second with discrete steps down in forward voltage even in the case of it descending to a none zero voltage.
  Another reasonable curiosity is the use of the word reel in the description of the coils. Where the difference between the two terms may imply one way being to use a round conductor wire as in a coil, a reel can just as easily imply a spool of flat tape conductor made of any conducting material. As noted by Marathonman the length of a coil compared to the length of the core it is on will behave differently as will it's relative position on that core. Resulting from the electric current passing the turns of conductor which are covering a length of core material. many turns of wire to get the length of core covered increases the length of the wire which increases the resistance of the wire which reduces the current yet increases the strength of the magnet. What about that seams counter productive? The length of wire is said to increase the strength but reduces the current when an increase in current is one of the three items that will increase the strength. If it is reduced then wont the magnet be reduced in strength as well. Is it just the amount of core which is covered by the conductor which contributes more to the strength then the number of turns would imply. Twenty turns of wire which take up one inch of core length with one volt applied or a one inch wide conductor of twenty turns with one volt applied? Something to think about.  With the resistance of the current be controlled before the inducer magnet wouldn't that seem to indicate the inducers are wound to have little resistance if any so they can make the best use of current passing through them varied only by the controller making them capable of becoming stronger then just using more turns of conductor as a way to increase their strength?