Marathonman

 Yesterday I was at a building that next door they were replacing the roof of another building and the metal roof company was there with a machine that takes rolls of metal and shapes it into roofing panels. Interesting machine to watch while it works. More interesting is the giant rolls of material. Made me think of a seamless gutter type of set up. Wonder what they do with rolls that get damaged on the edge and cant be used? If that stuff goes back out as scrap to a scrap yard at scrap metal prices then that would be a very good resource even if the roofer does not work with Al the seamless gutter people do. If it is painted then it only gets the lowest price as scrap and if the paint is electrically insulating well, just knock me over with a feather. Going back today with my dmm and check the paint coating and start asking a 1000 questions. Made me think about cores in general as well on the same train of thought ,rolled material.

Ouch ! shot down with facts, that's gonna leave a mark. ha ha ha
randy why did you include me in that as i have never said that? have you been to Doug's house watching the cars pile up... ha ha ha ha. (inside joke)

Doug; that would be a cool machine to watch but i would like to focus on your point you are getting to ?

Better to leave alternators out of this thread. Ignacio just used it as comparison, to show that alternators are feedback from the same electricity that they produce and that in alternators you may regulate the feedback to adjust the output... the same as Figuera stated in his patent.

And he showed the relays that he uses to switch off the AC power to the device once that the machine is running and it may use his own electricity as feedback. He posted his scheme with AC input with some diodes. I will try to test it this weekend.

 On the soon to be dead comparisons with an alternator I would like to mention that all the generators of typical construction have to be flashed in order to get them to begin producing. Even in the case of connecting to a battery and properly installing one in a vehicle with source they wont generate until and after they are flashed. I guess I dont have to wonder if anyone will remember that anymore. Same goes for any virgin generator and if the residual field completely degrades it has to be re flashed even if was working in the past. The other comparison is the alternating poles of the field rotor that run NSNS and so on around in a complete circle.The poles fields become squashed together pushing them further out from the pole faces when the field is increased. The magnetic poles go to the opposite pole face in both directions left and right of any pole being used for reference and meeting up with field of the same name from an adjoining named pole from the next set. It only shows that it can be directed and shaped to extend the distance the fields reach out from the poles faces.Where the fields are entering or leaving a pole face there is a tightly compressed dense field that is made of the fields from half of two other poles on ether side. It uses the circular shape for more then just the rotation.It is storing a large amount of flux between the two circles if the inner circle is the magnetic field by subdividing the single field magnet.
   The invention at hand is subdividing the current into discrete multiple magnetic fields that push against each other to direct the field to where it is wanted at the place where it can be used for induction. If the fingers from a field magnet of an alternator did not work in such a way that once the field exists the pole face and if those fields did not remain separate once they left the fingers of the alternator even in-spite of it being actually from a single magnet originally the fields would not reach into the stator windings and it wouldnt work. The behavior of the field or the flux if you prefer is the point. Using something that is a working model which there is plenty of description for that is easily found in everyday use.
  The fact that a prime mover is used to rotate the field should bring up some obvious questions. Why turn the magnet and not make it's strength fluctuate instead? Answer is because is it slow to change compared to the speed you want it to change. The total amount of flux in terms of lines of force takes too long to change in enough difference of that total ,so they just move it physically and keep the strength high enough to work. If that is the case where you have to keep the strength high enough to work in order for it be fast enough then you have to look at it in that light even if it is not turning and resolve the movement of the field another way. The comparisons are usually to make you think so I don't have to type a lot.
   Off subject the roofers were a no show sleet and rain.The area was completely cleaned up which was unusual but demanded by the customer because the proximity to an air port runway. I guess the prospect of an engine sucking up some building materials is frowned upon. Try try again, maybe they will be there today.

So what your saying is that the pic i posted probably won't work because of the reshaping of the flux fields in proximity to one another causing the fields to be squished closer to the core it came from.
i would think the b field would be effected but not the electric field as nothing can shield that as has been proven.
i just thought that since they pick up additional flux from it's neighbor, why not have a lot of neighbors.
it seems to me it would but i will have to think hard and do tests on this matter.

That's what i thought.  oh wait, to first half or second half.

Got pure iron cores in yesterday, wow they sure r purdy,  2 inch diam 99.9% pure love. ha ha ha !
tested with hammer and very soft, will start building my bobbins this week end and timing board will be in next week along with Mouser order.

Yesterday I was testing the circuit posted by Ignacio on the 26th of february to use half wave in each inducer by rectifying AC with two diodes, post #3185 http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg475611/#msg475611 and frankly the shape of each of the two signals is quite good. Minimun current of 0.2 A and maximum current about 2A with 12 volt AC input. I used a resistor joining both diodes outlet in order to assure a minimun current,as base current, during all time.

I attach the pic with one signal. The other signal you may guess it unphased 180°. I post to show it because it is an easy way to implement the input signals. Maybe other people could also use it. Really simple.

Still testing this new driving circuit. So far no important results to share. Output was small but a very good AC shape at 50 Hz.

Yesterday I was testing the circuit posted by Ignacio on the 26th of february to use half wave in each inducer by rectifying AC with two diodes, post #3185 http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg475611/#msg475611 and frankly the shape of each of the two signals is quite good. Minimun current of 0.2 A and maximum current about 2A with 12 volt AC input. I used a resistor joining both diodes outlet in order to assure a minimun current,as base current, during all time.

I attach the pic with one signal. The other signal you may guess it unphased 180°. I post to show it because it is an easy way to implement the input signals. Maybe other people could also use it. Really simple.

Still testing this new driving circuit. So far no important results to share. Output was small but a very good AC shape at 50 Hz.

Good share hanon - looks like a similar polarity-stripping action which Dieter was using when he got some interesting results earlier

I'm thinking of having a stab at the Figuera config - this approach may help me get started

I was thinking of trying to make use of both ends of each primary by adding a 2nd secondary and arranging the P S P S in a square, like a toroid of electromagnets

At the moment, the only difference i see between the Figuera config & a regular transformer transformer action is that in the Figuera setup the input waveform has a DC offset of 0.5 Vsupply - interesting!

I see that Arne (member seead) tried a circuit which added that offset but it didnt give him as good results as his 1st circuit which used true AC

Keep up the good work - good hunting!
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