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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1358822 times)

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« Reply #4230 on: April 17, 2018, 10:20:05 PM »
This post is dedicated to the brain dead people that still think part G is resistors.

And i quote from Wikipedia on Inductance;

"Any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current."
That means larger inductor = less currant flow, smaller inductor = more currant flow and as the brush is constantly rotating so is the size of the inductor on either side of the brush.

Now do you understand Rswami.

now i think that is all i have to say about that. if you still don't get it i guess i am through with you to.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4231 on: April 23, 2018, 10:05:44 AM »
So basically what part G does as the brush rotates is change the ratio of magnetic field to the amount of currant. as the brush rotates the amount of winding's change magnetically linking to the circuit increasing the magnetic field. since self inductance is the reverse EMF that opposes currant flow in the first place the more winding's we add the more opposition to the original currant flow we will have. the opposite is also true, the less winding's we have in the inductor the less the magnetic field the less opposition to currant flow. with a currant rise in the increasing side of part G's magnetic field it is gaining in intensity but the overall space occupied storing the increased potential is small with little reverse EMF.

the iron in the core will enhance the reverse EMF aiding the self inductance of the inductor. if it was an air core the currant reduction would not take place so the addition of the core thus amplifies self inductance to the point of  linear currant reduction. since the real currant flow is from negative to positive the currant flowing into part G from both set N and set S will cause an North><North opposing magnetic fields at the brush and it is these fields that keep the two side of the inductor separate at all times. so what we end up having is one huge inductor separated by magnetic fields divided into two at the brush each acting separate but in complete unison.

we have as the brush rotates  two inductors either increasing or decreasing in length,  increasing or decreasing the reverse EMF to the original currant flow that causes a complete orderly rise or fall of currant in a linear fashion. then to top that off as the currant is reduced the reduction in the field will release that reduce part into the system aided by the reducing primary's potential plus the secondary loop back causing an amplification of potential to the rising primary.

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« Reply #4232 on: April 23, 2018, 11:03:09 AM »
Every single thing i have said has been verified on the bench. the person that put it in my mind was Doug in the first place in which i do thank you for the wonderful information.

the opposing magnet test can be performed by yourself at your own home that mimics the Figuera device. the self inductance to curtail currant can be performed at your own house. every single thing that has been presented so far can be verified BY YOU AT YOUR OWN HOME.

This device was real and IS REAL thus can be built by ANYONE.

This is a quote from Aubrey Scoons that replicated Royal Rife's work;

"DON’T BE FOOLED!
Complexity does not equal credibility. Just the opposite in fact. Anyone who has genuine insight will be able to explain to you in simple language exactly what they mean and you will then be able to verify it with known scientific fact. If they can’t.....well, what do you think?"

This is why i choose to explain things in detail but at a level everyone can understand. it is usually the troll or the Ney Sayers that try to use words that you can't understand or even dishonest tactics to discredit/belittle you.

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« Reply #4233 on: April 23, 2018, 11:52:03 AM »
Keep things adjustable when building the Figuera device.  since the primaries are exact copies of each other plus putting them on bobbins allows you to have adjustment done on the fly.

also on part G once it is wound will not be so adjustable so by using the adjustable post like below will allow you to adjust the balance of the primaries if needed. they are cheap as in a few dollars and save a hell of a lot of time.

taking the screw out and flipping the tab allows you to use it much better than the original way.

now it can be slid very easily, they can take fairly thick wire and a lot of amps to boot. this makes it easier to adjust since part G is one continuous wind.

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« Reply #4234 on: April 23, 2018, 11:43:02 PM »
In the Figuera device he used DC to excite his primaries just like a standard generator does to excite it's N&S fields not ac that some people seam to think. if one was to use AC there would be all kinds of phasing issues to deal with and this is unacceptable and a royal pain in the backside. not only would that cause hysteresis and eddy currants in the primaries and this is detrimental to it's magnetic field output. since the time it takes to plow through the resistance of the wire and the flipping of the magnetic domains are far to long to respond in any reasonable manor. thus would be darn near useless in the FIguera device.

by using DC in his device it eliminated all hysteresis and eddy currants but also the phasing issue involved in using AC. the secondary has these effects that is why he split the cores up the way he did. using DC allowed him to get the highest possible magnetic field from his primaries without all the said draw backs. by using DC and winding them specifically as electromagnets he was able to attain the highest magnetic field possible with the fastest rise in magnetic strength.

since he used DC and did not reduce his primaries down below half way this technique allowed the primaries to be reduced and increased to full potential with very short response time keeping a very orderly rise and fall of the primaries to remain in complete unison throughout this action.

just think about that for a while with some common sense. if one was to try to use AC in their primaries,  the time it took to rip through the resistance and to flip all the magnetic domains which would never happen because before the all the domains got flipped the AC is traveling the other way so the resistance and the flipping of the domains starts all over again. so what you would end up with is a rather weak electromagnet that gets hot from eddy currants and hysteresis. the time involved to do this process is crazy slow and coherency between the Electric fields would be lost and induction would fall to that of just the rising electromagnet.

now with that common sense still flowing by using DC that never reverses the Electromagnets do not have to deal with eddy currants or any hysteresis ill effects nor any phasing issues to contend with. when the DC electromagnet is brought up to proper field strength and reduced to just clear the secondary then back to full potential the time frame of that action is so minute that the primary Electric fields are able to remain in complete coherency. thus induction is at it's maximum and the output is the square of the two primary electromagnets compared to two plain bucking fields (NON COHERENT). very little magnetic domains are flipped in this process once it is at full potential because all Figuera did was reduce the currant to just clear the secondary then back to full potential which does not flip the domains like AC would. the electromagnets remain cool and have very fast response time.

in the process of splitting the DC currant both primary electromagnets remain in phase at all times and are just reduced in relation to the secondary and not them selves. since the wall at the collision point of both opposing electromagnets will be quite large the reduction of currant to get the primaries the sweeping action across the secondary will be quite small. not to mention the opposing field of the secondary once currant starts to flow in the secondary and the load will be sandwiched in between those two primary electromagnet. refer to the squirrel cage motor action Doug referred and apply it to this scenario.

the primary electromagnets cause the E fields but it is the relative motion of the primaries being reduced and increased with the opposing secondary fields between them that induces currant flow into the secondary and the load. once the polarization takes place and currant begins to flow the primaries and the secondaries part ways and it is the primaries becomes the motive force that exerts motion into the secondary provided the circuit is closed with resistance of it's own. ( ie a load)

thus in compliance according to Faraday's laws of induction ANY rise or FALL of the magnetic field will cause induction no matter how small.

thanks for everything Doug, to bad nobody else listened to the wisdom brought to the table.

If you still cant understand what i have just laid out in plain English in a logical and descriptive manor i would suggest you chose another device or field to pursue because your failing at this one.

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« Reply #4235 on: April 24, 2018, 11:47:18 AM »
Figuera  mainly avoids to use of magnets to creates alternating field. His version however is not fully motionless as he like Nicola Tesla DID NOT HAVE ADVANCED ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS IN HIS TIME AS WE HAVE IN OUR TIME NOW.

So Figuera device a means to convert D.C to Pulsing DC or better still AC which is exactly what Mechanic Alternators produces as the magnets on the rotor is arranged North-South-North South and on and on like that.

The opposite winding  is meant to negate Lenz but you Can aslo {Like I have done} practically negate Lenz with RESONANCE and thus use little copper wire. High frequency application plus resonance will allow anyone to use little materials to generate kilowatts of Power.

Yes the output at low voltage high current will be in high frequency which will then needs High Frequency diodes to rectify and further needs Inverter circuit.

Make it simple brothers and sisters as YOUNG only needs to understand the Figuera Gen basic fundamental working principles for you to know what to add and subtract in view of new era available Electronic components.

Why will I keep to tidious mechanical lane when more Super easy, efficient and effective motionless Route is available!e?

May God bless Donald Lee Smith!!!!

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« Reply #4236 on: April 24, 2018, 07:09:41 PM »
That's really hilarious given the fact that 6 months ago you PM'ed me that i was completely right and you were wrong. maybe i should post that PM as i did save it to let the world know what type of a person you are.

the Figuera device is NOT a DON Smith energy resonant device and even states in the patent. he observed a dynamo and made it stationary that is it. he used two opposing electromagnets to mimic the high intensity field of a regular dynamo then reducing one and raising the other to induce movement into the secondary.
if you think those crasy thoughts why not get your own thread and not ruin or confuse this thread.

good day and good luck, you'll need all you can get.

PS, the opposing primary electromagnet DO NOT negate Lenz effect, sorry you are incorrect again. as a mater of fact Figuera uses it to his advantage and you would of known this if you would of done proper research not fly by week end thing.

Facts are Facts and mine are backed up with real Physics and almost 6 years of bench work.

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« Reply #4237 on: April 24, 2018, 07:38:35 PM »
Marathonman, calm down.
You do need not to be insultive.
No one is taking your thread away from you.
Figuera Gen can be upgraded to Pure Motionless Over unity Electromagnetic generator that is my sermon and will always be!
Instead of the mechanical inverter in Figuera Gen, we can apply Motionless Inverter now which encompasses Spider I.C and MOSFETs.
Instead of applying less than 100hz which the motor in the said mechanical inverter is producing, we can now use high frequency.
Instead of ordinary Induction, Resonant Induction can be applied.
Instead of array of Electromagnets, just 1 set can be used and yet get tremendous output and even loop the set-up utilising Zero Voltage Re-back e.m.f lead acid battery charger.

I believe you are Positively dynamic only that you are seeing things differently.







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« Reply #4238 on: April 24, 2018, 08:15:56 PM »
This is a quote from Aubrey Scoons that replicated Royal Rife's work;

"DON’T BE FOOLED!
Complexity does not equal credibility. Just the opposite in fact. Anyone who has genuine insight will be able to explain to you in simple language exactly what they mean and you will then be able to verify it with known scientific fact. If they can’t.....well, what do you think?"
This is why i choose to explain things in detail but at a level everyone can understand. it is usually the troll or the Ney Sayers that try to use words that you can't understand or even dishonest tactics to discredit/belittle you.

I will leave it to the readers to decide for your selves.

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« Reply #4239 on: April 25, 2018, 09:26:36 PM »
Another very highly overlooked FACT.
 in 1908 the patent offices required you "the patentee" to have a small working device to display the working principals of your patent. what this means is the patent office required you to have a working device unlike today you could patent a French fart if it smells different. no offence to the French.

Figuera had a working device (1902) patents that he sold to the bankers. his 1908 patent was more than likely the patent and working device that powered his home in Barcelona Spain at the time of his death. it was recorded that it powered his house lights, a 20 HP motor and the street light around his house.
So i could really care less if anyone says that this device can't work because i know better. if you dig hard enough the truth will eventually come to light.
simple test at your home will set the truth free.

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« Reply #4240 on: April 25, 2018, 09:54:28 PM »
So basically what part G does as the brush rotates is change the ratio of magnetic field to the amount of currant.

this fact is the effects of an inductor taken from a static device that opposes the currant for a short time then rising to a steady state. so in order to get the same reaction of the inductor but at a continuous basis we need to take it from a static device to an active device.

 so lets talk about this since a few are still having a little trouble with this statement.

Quote from Wikipedia;
"Any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current."

now would you not think that as the brush rotates around the core is not an "Alteration" of the circuit. ? and would it not change the magnetic field increasing or decreasing which is the ratio of magnetic field to currant, why sure in hell it is.

this is why the part G inductor changes the currant as the brush rotates around the core. it changes the ratio of magnetic field per the amount of currant increasing and decreasing the size of the inductor on both sides of the brush separated by two North><North magnetic fields allowing them to remain completely separate but in complete unison.

the currant running through the wire causes a magnetic field around the wires and it is this magnetic field that strikes the winding next to it that causes the reverse EMF to form that opposes the original currant flow. the more winding's that magnetically link to the circuit the more opposition to currant flow. thus the reverse is true, the less winding's that magnetically link to the system the less opposition to currant flow.
So as the brush rotates around the core making contact with more than one contact at a time in a make before break scenario, the winding's are magnetically linking or unlinking to each side of the circuit on each side of the positive brush where the North North fields keep them separate. allowing them to increase or decrease in size thus changing the ratio of magnetic field to currant thus changing the currant on a complete orderly basis.

another fact is while the inductor on one side of the brush is increasing in size it is releasing the reduced potential into the system feeding the increasing primary electromagnet while the side of the inductor that is reducing in size is storing into the magnetic field to feed the next rising primary electromagnet.



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« Reply #4241 on: April 26, 2018, 05:53:58 PM »
   As you can read part G is simplex. it is very simple but has a myriad of functions all happening at the same time. the very use of an inductor has so many confused but hopefully though my posts i have cleared some confusion toward part G.
most have a mind set that an inductor can only be used as a passive device which was handed down from generation after generation from the Dogma taught Government controlled school system that was implemented by good ole J.P. Morgan.

The facts i have presented can be verified by EVERY reader that reads this thread, that proves an inductor can be brought from a passive device to an active device and used in a dynamic state. i have posted the dynamics of how self inductance takes place,  the steps taken to get continuous increase or decrease of currant flow then taking the stored magnetic field of the inductor or electromagnet and using them in a very positive manor.
it behoves everyone that reads this thread to perform the suggested test that not only prove the validity of the  North North primary electromagnets but also the validity of part G. all test performed have been proven on the bench and backed up with Physics and science.

using a core and winding the primaries and the secondaries on the same core is NOT the Figuera device in any way shape or form and is just a transformer. anyone that says any different is a complete fool and does not know the difference between a transformer and a Generator in the first place and needs a reality check.
the Figuera device being a Generator, separates the primaries from the secondaries for certain reasons. if the primaries were to be on the same core it would cause the transfer of Hysteresis and eddy currant to the primaries which would cause the reduction of magnetic field resulting in large heat losses in the primaries. by remaining separate the magnetic fields from the primaries resides in a space outside of it's core which is the space occupied by the secondary.  this allows the primaries to do the intended job of being electromagnets and have no ill effects from the secondary what so ever.

reading and understanding the patent is such a vital step in the replication of this device but researching and testing on the bench proving it's operation of each device opens the door to knowledge and is the gateway to a complete self running device with not only this device but other in the past and future.

i hope these post from me will help the readers in the understanding of this well forgotten device and bring it's long forgotten simple technology to the present day that can do nothing but aide in the advancement of HUMANITY.

Love and peace not war and hatred.

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« Reply #4242 on: April 27, 2018, 09:14:18 PM »
darediamond'
I am being stern and slightly abrasive not insulting. rereading the Websters dictionary will give you a fresh perspective on the word insulting.

You have not even built the original and therefore do not understand all the dynamic involved so how in the world can you make improvements to a device you have personally NEVER built. you and Rswami parade around this website like your the authority on the Figuera device which HAS NEVER been built by either of you. his device is a transformer plain and simple and not remotely associated with the Figuera device and you have never provided any pictures of your so called IMPROVED version let alone provided any bench work proving the validity of it.
neither of you have put any reasonable time to understand this device thus shows in your lack of understanding.
 you are just like Rswami when he tried to build the Thane Heins transformer and spent 4 days on the device and said it will not work. WOW ! 4 whole days and he is the expert in which someone else did the work for him.

I have a good chuckle every time i read the craziness from the both of your post and shake my head at the sheer misunderstanding of the device.
and i would really like to know how you posted three days ago and it just now showed up today. hummm ! the use of trickery maybe or just moderated.
you know squat about the Figuera device plain and simple and it show in your posts.

you might ask yourself why did i spend so much time with this device.? simply i wanted to completely understand this device in detail right down to the last part so i can replicate it then re give it to the world. just like Doug said you cant sit in the back of the class sleeping and expect to pass the test unless you cheat. and in this case you even cheating will get you no where.

try actually reading and understanding what was posted and maybe some day you will actually have a working device. until then it is quite enjoyable watching a couple of puppies chasing their own tail.
Bark, Bark Woof !

PS. this is not my thread, i just post real scientific facts here of the Figuera device not fiction and snow jobs.

have a good day.

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« Reply #4243 on: April 28, 2018, 01:09:46 PM »
I am not in for mechanical or 'half-baked'  solid state over unity devices. I developex sometimes ago a working Mechanical Resonance Lensless alternator on a small scale. Seeing the effect of resonance even at low rpm or frequency, I choose to stick with motionless version alone.

Figuera Gen working principle is simple to understand. Part-G inverts and yes prevents reversal to 0 and that is practically  achievable too in Solid state.

Bucking coil is applied to mainly negate Lenz but with resonance induction, you can also negate Lenz like I have done. This means single Primary and secondary can be used without the source power being loaded any further.

I do not have to show you things I have done for the sake of you believing me. I do not even need you to believe me.

The mechanical alternating to and fro of magnets is what Figuera mimicked with his half way motionless alternator; Now we can make the alter fully motioless and generate desired output.

You spin no electrons, you get no useful electric power.

Leave been an "authority" alone just be dynamic.


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« Reply #4244 on: April 28, 2018, 06:27:56 PM »
Again i can not emphasize the importance when winding your electromagnets specifically as electromagnets. there is no reason to wind them with high resistance to control currant as that is the job of part G. why add more complexity to the system then need be. winding them specifically as electromagnets will allow them to adapt to the changes in currant darn near instantly maintaining the coherency needed between the primaries.

also you have to realize that the peak currant when the electromagnet is high is such a short time frame that the the wire will not burn up. hypothetically if i was to use say 18 awg wire for my primaries. even though the rating for that wire is low and you exceeded that for a fraction of milliseconds it will not have any ill effects. if a steady currant exceeding the rating was applied it of course would heat and burn up.

so even though you might exceed the rating of the wire the time frame it is at peak currant flow will be in the low hundred microsecond range and that is not enough time to harm the wire.

example;  say the brush on part G is traveling at 3600 which is the RPM required to get 60 HZ out of the secondary for the US. since there are 1000 milliseconds  in a second divided by 60 revolutions per second = 16.66 milliseconds per revolution.  now divide 16.66 by the number of winding's that make contact with the brush as it rotates and hypothetically lets say 60 in it's complete rotation. that ends up to be .277 which is 277 microseconds per winding but the ends are on for twice as long as the ones in the middle so it ends up being 554 microseconds.

so you see the primary currant at it's peak is only on for 554 microseconds and this is way to short of a time to heat up a wire let along burn it up.

just a few things to keep in mind when winding your electromagnets SPECIFICALLY AS ELECTROMAGNETS.

 

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