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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1471781 times)

Offline marathonman

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There is a serious question i have to ask the people that still think part G is resistors.

How do you counteract the potential drop to the primaries as they are increasing in strength to sweep the field across the secondary knowing that any rise in magnetic potential will cause a potential drop across the conductor.????????? please tell me how you can do this with an F-in resistor. please i would love to hear the absurdities come fourth as i sure need a good laugh about now.

any clue as to what the heck i am talking about or are you just going to blab out the first thing that short circuits in that brain of yours.?????

The entire reason Figuera used an INDUCTOR is the fact that an INDUCTOR can store and release potential at the right time counteracting the potential drop to the rising electromagnet and even amplify the signal in the process.
Not only that the stored magnetic field can even reduce the currant flowing through the circuit in an orderly linear fashion.

Now !, try that with your stupid resistor array or resistors or Barbeque heater coil or what ever your broke brain comes up with that causes resistance.
there seams to be a total lack of common sense on this website just like that of the Entergetic forum which is why those threads are in the waste basket.
I would really like to know if there is anyone on this site that has any common sense about them that really truly wants to learn how to build the Figuera device or is this all that i am talking to is brain dead trolls.

If there is any common sense out there please let me know that my time here is not a total waste of time.


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Well it kinda depends what you consider a waste of time? If you just want to rant with your Rage'O'Matic lever all the way to 11 and vent your frustration, then I guess it is time well spent.

If you actually want to convey some information to people, then I would suggest dropping the lever to lets say 8 and maybe not call everybody a stupid fuck?

I personally do not read any post with more than 3 words in full CAPS. Raving with CAPS just makes you look like you are 2 months away from a permanent mental hospital trip. Also if you are hostile than all you achieve is make people fight back and not take in the information you have. Just look at Joseph Westley Newman's latest videos and that is what they have shrunk this man into. A bitter old man that takes everybody as the enemy and just rages on. What a great way to make stop taking him seriously

So next time somebody says "Now I got my resistors placed in the G part. Took me all night" then just post "there are no resistors in part G" and go scream in thew back yard


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I did not call anyone that name but if the shoe fits wear it, that's entirely up to you.

I personally don't care if anyone here builds this device at all. this is one of the worst sites on the net for trying to convey information and it seems all people do is post blindly without reading and understanding the material presented or even doing the actual research.
it would seem after five year people would would pull their heads out of their backside but i guess reality just came crashing down as it seems i have been talking to bobble heads with the information bouncing off of the heads like that of a pinball machine.

I have many years of bench work that is backed by real Physics and Science not babbling baby blunder that seems to be the norm on this site. then on top off all the BS there is people that purposely disrupt the flow of information presented whether they are paid or not that have no desire to either learn or help the spread of the information.
if you or anyone on this site do not believe that free energy is possible then what the hell are you doing on this site in the first place other than disrupting the transfer of information.

everything was fine until the brain dead trolls came out of the wood works because to much real information about the Figuera device was presented.
I post on other sites aside from this one and this site is the only one that attracts the flies in which i have no patience for stupidity or blind assumption.
if people don't want to learn that is their prerogative  but why in hell do they have to disrupt threads being completely disrespectful to the people that actually want to learn.
see i can post without caps to your cap sensitive self. that last post i posted the only cap was INDUCTOR so what is your problem as i don't have one and don't need yours.
If someone tells you "YOUR WRONG" and you got angry.. you have an ego problem.. especially if the information presented is backed by Physics and science and can not be disputed.

have a good day.

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Offline NRamaswami

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I have experimented with Figuera device and Hubbard device and done a lot of variations.

What appears to me is this.

Notwithstanding the abusive language employed by Mr. Marathonman there is indeed some correctness in what he is saying.

If we look closely at Figuera patent, the drawings are not accurate. They are quite deceptive.

If you look at the drawings of Howard Johnson magnetic motor patent they are very deceptive. The principle is valid and a device made as per Howard Johnson drawings would work.

The principle taught by Figuera is valid. Drawing is deceptive. Even if some one were to steal the data they would not be able to replicate it. This is how these very intelligent people have drawn their drawings.

The Figuera principle is that if you some how oscillate the magnetic field the coils surrounding the oscillated field would get induced electricity. But for this to be done easily we need permanent magnets and not soft iron core.

For this the best thing is not soft iron core that I used but a sort of permanent magnet core. If the permanent magnet is oscillated then the electricity must be induced in the coils surrounding the core.

I have checked the possibility of using NS-NS-NS poles when the output is very high as shown in the drawings of Figuera Patent ( there is always the mystery why there is a space between the primary coils and secondary and how it can be present either in opposite poles facing each other or identical poles facing each other- Gap cannot be present in either case) and identical poles when the output is minimum.

When the core is a common one the identical pole arrangement cancels out the magnetic field. Therefore the output is either nil or we need very large magnetic cores to get a minimum output.  May be about 5 to 8% of input. When opposite poles are used the output is very good but not COP>1 as shown in the Figuera patent drawing.

If we look carefully at Figuera Patent the drawings are very deceptive.

I do not agree that resistor array is not required. The resistor array is present in the coils of the primaries whether there is one added or not.

The primary coils can be easily arranged to make first core to be made up of thickest wire, second somewhat lesser in thickness and so on when a minimum amount of current would flow through the last core. We can put the same type of coils in the reverse order in the other primaries to make the same effect so that the secondary would be exposed to different current on either side always.

You do not need a part G to be present today. We need to oscillate the direct current from a battery for this arrangement to work and this is where the Part G  was used in Figueras times but today with Transistors it is a much easier task and Part G is not required. We would only need to use a 555 transistor to be able to oscillate the DC current going through a Mosfet. 

This arrangement will obviate the need for a resistor array and Part G as shown in drawings. But the variation of current must be present.

Again looking carefully at the drawings we do not find any core in the drawings of BuForn drawings in the Primaries. The core is present only in the secondaries.

I suspect that it is a permanent magnet core and the primaries are Air core. An iron core offers resistance to current and so would draw lesser current than an air core.  Even if there is no iron in the primaries the coils in the air core would make the induction to be present in the secondary permanent magnet core in the center and they have to oscillate the permanent magnet in the center only.  This would enable the gap to be present whether we use the identical pole arrangement or opposite pole arrangement.

If the permanent magnet core is present in the center irrespective of whether the poles used are opposite poles or identical poles the oscillation of the magnetic field would be present. When the coils on the secondary are subjected to time varying magnetic field they must get induced electricity. In my experience higher the voltage of the primary higher is the voltage of the secondary. Greater the number of turns of the secondary higher is the voltage. Higher the voltage of the secondary and greater the magnetic field strength higher is the amperage of secondary.  These are practical hands on observations.

Unfortunately when I started doing this some one in this thread indicated that I would get in to some problems and I'm doing this without realising it. The words turned out to be prophetic and I have avoided doing any thing now.

If other people are feeling distraught and struggling they must have done a lot of experimentation themselves. Somehow this is not a good field for health and finances. They must be actually complimented for their hard work. Unfortunately not all persons are succesful in spite of hard work. Figuera himself passed away after a short time of this device.

I have experimented with multiple versions of Figuera and Hubbard circuits and today I do not understand why some variations which should not work actually produce results.

Unfortunately my health has also come down. So I have no further interest in this field.  I'm a physical wreck today. Probably this is not a good field. So I'm not doing any thing further.  One of my relatives who did experiments with high energy fields died out of Lung cancer many years back. Another friend is diagnosed with early Cancer. I myself have got Asthma and TB and nervous problems and I have gone through a heart problem and a mild stroke problem. All within the last five years. Talking badly about people who are psychologically down after a lot of hard work is very easy. This needs to be avoided.


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HHMMmm

maybe you could start a topic for this .....health concerns
Not to clog this mans topic

I have often wondered....?

and there are other things we could include from research with Wifi and cell phones etc
etc

?

there is a health topic from Gary Vesperman somewhere [OLD Time OU man with many good contributions.


I Must say I did talk about this many times with researchers
and they always pointed to Tesla and the crazy things he did with his work

?

sorry for off topic [will try and find Gary's topic,  he sent new info and I have been meaning to update

respectfully
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Offline marathonman

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ramst; Lets not go there, your better than that.

Again i rest my case.
Blindly posting erroneous thought as if they were even tested on the bench let alone backed by Physics and science. that post is exactly my point i have stated for many year that Rswami post total BS that has not been proven on the bench nor has he EVER built any device other than the blunder of a transformer he calls the Figuers device that is a transformer not a generator.
He blindly post his twisted thoughts as if he was an accomplished scientist and builder which is a total scam job perpetrated by him to fool people into thinking he is one in which he is not. when has ANYONE actually seen a single picture of his work toward the Figuers device other than the hideously  monstrous device that is a transformer yet struts around like he is the Authority on the Figuers device. i literally laugh in your face.

If any person believes a single word that comes out of his pathological lying mouth is a complete fool and should have his head examined by a shrink.
I post real Physical proof about the Figuera device that has been verified on the bench not some Psycotic ramblings from a pathological liar and you should be barred from this web site for being a complete fraud.

RSWAMI IS A COMPLETE FRAUD.

Marathonman

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Mr. Marathonman

Please post pictures of your bench device and videos. Thanks for at least recognising I did some work and the device you consider to be transformer and not any thing else. At the least I put up pictures and gave measured readings.

Where is yours?

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The primary coils can be easily arranged to make first core to be made up of thickest wire, second somewhat lesser in thickness and so on when a minimum amount of current would flow through the last core. We can put the same type of coils in the reverse order in the other primaries to make the same effect so that the secondary would be exposed to different current on either side always.

You do not need a part G to be present today. We need to oscillate the direct current from a battery for this arrangement to work and this is where the Part G  was used in Figueras times but today with Transistors it is a much easier task and Part G is not required. We would only need to use a 555 transistor to be able to oscillate the DC current going through a Mosfet. 

This arrangement will obviate the need for a resistor array and Part G as shown in drawings. But the variation of current must be present.
Was alternatively going to propose multi-tap battery/capacitor cells switched for varying current; but that led to lots of work done by the ends and much less in the middle; which would be hard to overcome too...


I suspect that it is a permanent magnet core and the primaries are Air core. An iron core offers resistance to current and so would draw lesser current than an air core.  Even if there is no iron in the primaries the coils in the air core would make the induction to be present in the secondary permanent magnet core in the center and they have to oscillate the permanent magnet in the center only.  This would enable the gap to be present whether we use the identical pole arrangement or opposite pole arrangement.

If the permanent magnet core is present in the center irrespective of whether the poles used are opposite poles or identical poles the oscillation of the magnetic field would be present. When the coils on the secondary are subjected to time varying magnetic field they must get induced electricity. In my experience higher the voltage of the primary higher is the voltage of the secondary. Greater the number of turns of the secondary higher is the voltage. Higher the voltage of the secondary and greater the magnetic field strength higher is the amperage of secondary.  These are practical hands on observations.
Hans Coler device?  Coils wrapped on permanent magnets, I guess in theory mutually interfering with each other to cause generation... https://rimstar.org/sdenergy/coler/index.htm


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(yes the following mentioned circuits have nothing to do with Figuera; before you decide to chase that bone)
a mazilla/royer circuit has an inductor to serve exactly that function; I would see that sort of current-drive inductor as needed to be common ( before whatever causes a current variation between N and S ) because any one of the target coils is going to either need to be restricted in flow or boosted in flow as its current changes.
The kacher drive used by akula/ruslan had a similar inductor on the common input; before any of the active parts of the circuit.


If a thing is > 1 COP I'm sure it can be > (1+loss through resistances) by a significant amount.


A coiled coil is more significantly the magnetic field of the smallest winding direction.  If you were able to make a very long, thin coil, and then coil that coil into a coil; the apparent current motion is greatly reduced, and any inductive amount of the resulting coil made from a coil as its filament is barely relevant.  so why wouldn't it just be a straight coil with muitiple taps? that's certainly easier to draw; instead of being drawn as a heater core?  And don't the words associated with the image also specify?


Anyhow this pdf summarizes both of your views.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Figuera.pdf (555, and the uhh variac thing)


http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm


*shrug* I don't even see anything that says G and not R.


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I did just see a educational video about quantum physics and waves... and water has been shown to interfere wave-like through 2 slits... but the motion of the wave isn't the particle itself, but a measureable result of a particle moving.  Consider that under the water is something more viscous and denser than water... call it molassas;  so the LHC slaming particles together at energy level X, can cause lots of ripples in the water, but don't distrub the underlaying molassas layer very much; but with higher energy; or constructive interferance of two other events, you can cause ripples to form in the molassas layer that you can see that sort of result happen... and that things in the universe are like this, but have many many layers like that that...  (probably need better/more words to actually convey that)
https://youtu.be/-4Mz4OGVC_U?t=42m7s  (42:07 is near the start of that with some groundwork that leads up to the nessecity of the analogy)

The other thing someone said is that higher entropy is lower energy; so heating something is working in favor of the 2nd law of thermodynamics; although heat does sponteneously move to cold, which is working against entropy. 

And then of course; in a universal coordinate system ohms = per-seconds.  Or what was that other thing Eric Dollard said?  Voltage only happens because of resistance?  Because of current being stopped?

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Yes, i see the intelligence level dropping like mad and wonder when the actual common sense will kick in. can someone page me when that happens.

and i quote; "To fix ideas is convenient to refer to the attached drawing which is no more than a sketch to understand the operation of the machine built using the principle outlined before"
and
" Let be “R” a resistance that is drawn in an elementary manner to facilitate the comprehension of the entire system"

I rest my case.
and how will you negate the potential drop of the rising primaries since in your so called version does not have a part G. i would also like to see the device running by it's self. yep that's what i thought, there is no device built of that nature because it can't and won't. so that paragraph is purely theoretical and has never been proven thus a figment of your imagination .

NN orientation has been proven by me with Science and Physics and can not be disputed by you or any other bobble head on this site.

bobble heads begat bobble heads.

so i guess the real information on the figuera device is over and now it is time for fantasy time and fairy tails. sorry i only deal with Physics and real truth.
maybe someday you Rswami will actually get your hands dirty and do actual research and testing on the bench that proves everything i have stated unlike your psycho babble you call research. and why do i need to show you anything as all you are going to do is run down to the patent office to try to get a patent. sorry you just don't have the intelligence to understand this device let alone build it.

I hope everyone has a good day and don't let that head bobble to much. neck injuries are not fun.

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it would seem after five year people would would pull their heads out of their backside but i guess reality just came crashing down as it seems i have been talking to bobble heads with the information bouncing off of the heads like that of a pinball machine.

Marathonman

So for  5 years you have been telling everyone how to do it but you still don't have a unit that works.  It appears the person full of horse manure is you.

By the way INDUCTORS DO NOT store a charge.  You have them mixed up with CAPACITORS.  Maybe it is YOU that should be applying REAL science instead of your BS theories.

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"Again" more trolls and Shills come out of the wood work and you are no exception. running your mouth and NEVER building the device or any research to boot.
what is the most funniest part is i have never said inductors store a charge as that would be your stupidity troll. i have repeatedly stated that an inductor stores a magnetic field and when reduced releases that reduction of potential into the system.

ha, ha, ha, ha ! gotcha troll.
so maybe "YOU" need to pull  your head out of your backside troll as EVERYTHING i post has been verified and proven with real Science and Physics unlike you and your troll bobble head friend.
what a looser ! how much do you get paid troll and where is the information that proves i am wrong........ NOTHING that's what i thought.
all you people do is run your mouths with no scientific proof proving i was wrong. yet everything i have posted can be proven and replicated on the bench by anyone that has half a brain.
show me the proof i am wrong or shut the hell up, plain and simple troll. sorry your pathetic attempt to belittle me failed miserably and only succeeded  in proving your a troll that knows nothing about the Figuera device.
Bobble headed troll.
Now is there any thing else i can prove you wrong about and further embarrass your self in front of you bobble head troll friends. i am sure you will come up with something really stupid you being you.

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The scientific proof is right here on these pages.  After FIVE years you still don't have a device that works.  And all your followers at the Energetic Forum were never able to get it to work either like you said it would.  Anyone that knows anything about inductors knows that the tiny amount of inductance in your GRAND part G is not nearly enough inductance to control the current (SPELLED CORRECTLY!) through the primary coils.

Even UFO who tried very hard to get his device to work and built the part G like you kept insisting found that it worked just exactly like Bistander and I both said it would.  It did NOTHING to control the current through the coils.  Anyone with a little time to waste can easily go over to that forum which you have been banned from and read all about his and others attempts to build what you claimed worked.  They all failed to get the results you claimed they would get.

So where is your device?  We want to see pictures and videos of it working.  You can't produce them because after FIVE years you still don't have one that works like you claimed it would.  You are still full of horse manure just like you were FIVE years ago.

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Watch out!  The history  seems to be repeated again.  Pls follow Belfior:s tip!

Regards Arne

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I hate to tell you this troll but the test by netica was wrong as he only used 20 to 40 winds which was not near enough self inductance to control currant as I so found out. which again proves your are a  troll relying on other to do the research. even UFOP's attempt was a failure as he never had enough either. at least they tried which is more than i can say about you loosers'

see trolls begat trolls and all of my research tells me i am right and you trolls are completely wrong AS ALWAYS and has been for years. Dougs part G has around 100 winds and my new part G has 80 and it works very, very good unlike your pipe dreams.
NONE of you trolls have done the research and only want to argue because you are a trolls and avoid the truth.

PROVE me wrong trolls, wheres the proof i am wrong trolls.

Looser's begat looser's just like the Nati's you troll protect one another even if the information can be verified by yourselves you choose to remain ignorant to the truth.

The funny part about this whole situation is you ignorant trolls don't know what i have and the time will come soon when i will embarrass you fools to no end and i actually can't stop laughing right know at how you pathetic troll act and how ignorant you people really are.
My part G works very nice how about your, ops ! i forgot you don't have one.

LOOSERS !

Ha, ha, ha, ha !

Marathonman

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Sorry "ANT" i hate to spoil your pathetic attempt at a put down or the fact that history will not repeat it's self because my part G works very well indeed how about yours, OPS again ! you don't have one "ANT"

Marathonman

 

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