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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1648521 times)

Online citfta

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Link to the great success of MM's followers:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20619-figuera-device-part-g-continuum-serious-builders-only.html

Only read it if you want to learn how NOT to build the Figuera device.  Of course learning from other mistakes can be helpful also.

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Either that or stay hear and play with the Bi pedo bobble head trolls that couldn't do research if they tried.
Sorry looser like i said is that all you have is past failed attempts at building part G which you weren't apart of in the first place.

YOUR A LOOSER CIFTA get use to it so maybe you should crawl back to your Bi fiend and maybe he will lick your wounds.
or better yet you could cry on that looser Aaron and his fake RPX system that can't even penetrate the skin from being to low of power.
yes,  that is the reason i got booted was i was a direct threat to his cash cow. he then lets idiot like you go from thread to thread doing nothing but disrupt threads.
WHAT A LOOSER YOU HAVE BECOME.
mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the biggest Looser of them all. WELL, said the Mirror, that darn list is so long let me see now. there is Bistander, Cifta, Seehack, Hanon, pastromi, i mean Rswami, dardiamond, and the list goes on and on and on and on.
Trolls that are to unintelligent to do the research them selves but yet scream that cant be done.

YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM POSTING THE TRUTH TROLL. FACE IT YOUR A LOOSER !
Mine works but you people are to stupid to figure it out. imagine that !
I am laughing in you face troll as you have NOTHING.

Marathonman


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marathonman
I received a call a bit ago from a moderator about some of the things you have written lately .

I have to tell you, its not like it use to be here with threats and such.

zero tolerance policy....[a huge liability for Admin if allowed]

i can appreciate your zeal for your work,but I am not certain you will be here much longer ...the way this seems to be going ?
you may be OK with that ...or not ?

that's gonna be your call.

you are after all a guest in Stefan's house and we all need to follow his rules or move on.

respectfully
Chet K






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Offline marathonman

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I do understand this and except the consequences of my action and i will defend myself to the last fight with these lousy trolls that are known through out the internet as trolls and shills yet are allowed to do what they do uncontrolled every single day and i an quite sick of it. these low life people run a muck disrespecting threads and people on a daily basis and yet have NO desire to build or even replicate the bench work that was conducted and proven backed by Physics and Science.
I mean no disrespect but where you and stefan at when these trolls came out of the wood works bad mouthing me with the intent to belittle and disgrace which they really failed very miserably. not to mention posting off the wall crap explicitly to disrupt the flow of information to the people that really want to learn
I post scientific FACTS of the Figuera device proven on the bench only to be jumped on by these uncontrollable heathans of men that could not even be considered men by any right.
so i leave the ball in your court Mr ramset and the moderator. do you deny the right of people wanting to learn or do you blindly support the trolls and shills that destroy threads on a daily basis.
so lets hear it am i gone or do you support the trolls and shills raping this web site that is known through out the internet as a troll haven. i have a home base that is quiet and i really don't need this BS if this is all it is about. all i ever wanted was to spread the real truth not lies and deceit like the troll and shill.

I AM MARATHONMAN

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I've been watching this thread for a while. Lots of disrepect and insults going on. Question - why? This is not a way to communicate with builders here.

And I will also jump onto some things:

I post scientific FACTS of the Figuera device proven on the bench only to be jumped on by these uncontrollable heathans of men that could not even be considered men by any right.
Please show your working replication with self-runner? Then we have a information to share. If you do not have anything to show you are wasting your time with walls of text here.
And insulting forum members which I know myself here will not lead to any constructive discussion...

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Note
I see T1000 posted while I was plunking this reply
my below reply was already written and in no way reflects on T1000's comments above


marathonman

I have a different perspective I suppose .....  I am grateful for the opportunity to have access to this forum and have no problem following the rules here because I am a guest.... as are you .

Everyday disagreements which happen here all the time are usually settled with evidence of a claim ....

not with threats of doing physical harm to persons here ,or any kind of harm for that matter.
there is only one reason you are still here .

Stefan is unaware of your behavior.

this has nothing to do with your work and everything to do with the liability you bring to his house.
this behavior is against the law ,and such behavior comes under increasing scrutiny  everyday that goes by as laws are passed to enable prosecution in the cyber world and address the concerns of violence and other abuse.

Stefan chooses to forgo the need to hire lawyers ...[yes HE is liable in the eyes of the law ]
and chooses instead to make this a non issue for him [ZERO tolerance].

if this is your path forward [threats of violence and ??
 it is good you have a quiet place to go

Chet K
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honestly
you should already know this... it is written in the terms of service agreement you acknowledged and agreed to as part of your membership here.












Offline marathonman

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Have you noticed the troll and shill went scampering into the dark when you posted. imagine that ! starting the fire then running like cowards that they are.

Look, i will very much tone it down if they get the heck off my back, quite posting erroneous information, failed attempts,  total unproven lies and some that doesn't pertain to the subject line.
Every thing i post can be verified by anyone with half a brain so i see no problem on my side. what i do see is the problem with trolls and shills that have NO PROOF i am wrong because they find it easier to run there mouths than doing the actual research.

I call everyone out on this troll web site to prove me wrong on the bench, i mean actual research from them not someone else failed attempt at replication.
again i will tone it way down but i want to see PROVEN bench work from the ney sayers that i am wrong in which i am not and can't wait to see their faces from their failed attempt to prove me wrong.

My bench work tells me i am right, what does yours tell you if you even did it in the first place. so tell me T-1000 have you performed any test that i have done and some i have posted here that can be done by you at your home that prove the actions of the NN facing electromagnet and the actual reason part G does what it does proven with Science and Physics, probably NOT. knowing how the device works is what i am trying to convey to  people but you only seem to be focusing on the final build. get off your butts and learn what i have been posting then and only then will you be ready for what i plan to present. until then try learning or get off my back. PLEASE !

Regards.

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marathonman
in defense of readers here [and the many builders ]

there are tens of thousands of words written in this thread ....maybe Zillions over the years
 too much to absorb or comprehend as a whole

you suggest
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 can be done by you at your home that prove the actions of the NN facing electromagnet and the actual reason part G does what it does
end quote
the above quote needs perspective....

is there a test/schematic which builders here can do at their home which will show an anomaly heretofore unknown or misunderstood??

can you post this NOW ?

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Mr ramset;

  I really have to ask you do you really need a schematic to do the NN magnet test that proves the validity of the Figuera device.??? do you need a schematic to perform self inductance test that prove the validity of part G.??? do you need a schematic to realize when an inductor is reduced it releases that reduced potential into the system.??? do you need a schematic to realize when an electromagnet when reduced it releases that reduced potential into the system.
do you need a schematic to realize all these reduced potential causes an amplification to the rising electromagnets in part G which is an inductor.???

do you need a schematic to realize the magnetic field of an inductor causes a reduction of currant flow and the FACT that any change in the system that changes the ratio of magnetic field to currant will reduce or increase the currant flow.???
do you need a schematic to realize a resistor can not perform not one of these function except reduce the potential in the form of heat.????

Get real,
or do you need a schematic for that also.

Marathonman

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MM
 Need a schematic to understand the connection between part G and S-N coils. See the orange loop in  pic.

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Again I plunked while another posted a question [sorry it takes me so long]

marathonman

I did not expect this reply , what may be self evident to you after many years of work
may not be self evident to readers.

if you have no schematic to show any anomalous behavior [gain mechanism] or method ?

I do see how persons would take issue ,[without a goal post or benchmark  to demonstrate your point.

It is quite easy to point to science or physics in a generic fashion while insulting a person for not seeing the "self evident" gain mechanism
it places all the emphasis on the reader to evaluate what you are not saying .

it is entirely different to actually make a claim and bring focus [scrutiny] to your claim thru
request for empirical testing or replication ,  showing the methods you use to achieve this..

it does make a person vulnerable to scrutiny ... however it is really mandatory in science.

With your generic [ "See science /physics "] approach which leaves the onus on the ignorant reader [me in this case] ??

I could see how such an approach to teaching would perpetuate this thread
forever
or until persons just leave it alone .

sorry for the intrusion.

Chet


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Offline marathonman

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Sead; Actually that which is in the orange ring is actually sliding adjustments as to balance the primaries from peak to peak. minor oversite that is it nothing more nothing less.

ramset i do appreciate the honesty and the calmness in your posts. all i am trying to do is get people to perform the tests themselves so they can understand where i am coming from instead of being lead by a leash or screaming i am wrong. these are suppose to be grown men that should be able to verify exactly what i have been saying from my test bench research. if they can't perform simple tests what are they doing here in the first place, i thought it was to learn no perfect your shouting skills.

you can't learn if you don't do test on the bench plain and simple so if you or anyone else for that matter thinks i am just going to hand over all my hard work to these people, not hardly.

Marathonman

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OK,

Let's approach this from a purely technical standpoint.  I agree that opposing north changing fields can induce a current into a coil.  That is just perfectly standard transformer action.  Is there an advantage in using opposing fields instead of complementary fields?  It appears that may also be true but has not been proven conclusively.

My real problem with the claims as presented is the idea that a changing inductor can control a DC current.  All scientific tests and formulas show this is a false claim.  The formula for inductive reactance is XL = 2 pi f L which means the inductive reactance is equal to 2 times pi times the frequency times the inductance.  Since the frequency of a DC source is 0 then the inductive reactance is also zero.  No amount of fantasy thinking can change that.

If MM was actually serious about learning instead of only claiming he is the only one who sees this correctly he could do the following tests.  He could measure the actual inductance of his part G every 10 degrees of rotation of the brushes and then using the above formula he could plot a graph of the actual inductive reactance.  Of course that would be a real waste of time because the graph is going to be a straight line on the zero value.  It can't be anything else because of the 0 frequency of the DC source.

Now if he really wants to understand why he may be getting some good results with his part G he could repeat the test but measure the resistance value of each position.  Then using simple ohm's law he could calculate the amount of current going through his part G for each position of the brushes.

As a refresher here is ohm's law.  E=IR  Which means that voltage equals the current times the resistance.  This simple formula can be rearranged to find any value not known if you know the other two.  For instance if you know the voltage and resistance which is probably what MM can find with this simple test then you can calculate the current.  The formula for that is I = E/R.

From this formula you can also see that if you raise the current to a higher level but keep the resistance the same then the voltage drop across the resistance will go higher.  So even a relatively small resistance change can control a large current.  This is what is happening in MM's part G. He has already stated he now has 80 turns of wire on his part G.  It is the resistance of those turns of wire that is controlling his current through his primary coils.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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What is missed out in all those speculations is how we are changing magnetic field in regards to the pickup induction coil.

In transformers we just flip/flop polarities without changing their position in 3D space.
In alternators we physically move magnetic polarities in 3D space. And we have problem right there with kinetic power required to sustain magnetic field of electromagnet and power generated. And as soon there is first power generated by induction the battery can be disconnected.

Why we use kinetic power to do the action in first place? By the Faraday's law of induction - "The induced electromotive force in any closed circuit is equal to the negative of the time rate of change of the magnetic flux enclosed by the circuit." it does not matter which method is chosen to do this action. The position of magnetic field in 3D space can be also altered by having multiple electromagnets with coils arrangement where each coil represents offset position to the pickup coil. And while starting with energising coil X then coil X+coil X2 we already move the center of magnetic poles in 3D space. And this is what Figuera patents are all about. No kinetic force is actually needed to do same type of induction.

Cheers!

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Cifta;

 I do agree with what you say in the first half of the post but totally disagree with the second half. the resistance is NOT controlling the currant flow. my wire in my part G has very, very low resistance yet works just fine, why, because of self inductance that controls currant flow NOT RESISTANCE.
and i quote again; "Any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current."
can people understand this statement and what does it implicate.

this is what the positive brush does. as it rotates it is magnetically linking or unlinking to the circuit and it is this that causes the magnetic field to change that produces the reverse EMF to the original currant flow. in the AC device the currant up or down causes the reaction,  in the DC circuit the circuit increasing or decreasing in size is what causes the currant change. so as the brush rotate so does the ratio of magnetic flux to currant which is the reverse EMF to the original currant flow.

I don't see where this can be so complicated. AC currant change causes the resistance to currant flow but when using DC something has to change in order to get currant reduction. this is why the rotating brush is used as it is either adding or subtracting windings to each side of the brush inductor. and this is the alteration to the circuit as stated from above. and this is FACT not fiction.

T-1000;

  Sorry there is no speculation and if someone would of read my posts i explain in detail as to why and how the primaries are not only inducing the secondary into polarization but the relative motion of the sweeping action from the primaries induces motion into the secondaries. similar to that of a squirrel cage motor the secondaries produce an opposing field and it is this field that is shoved side to side across the Electric field.
I am not sure what post it is but i go into more detail then here.
If you have found another way to induce the secondaries well i am happy for you but that would not be in the scope of this thread as we are dealing with the Figuera device alone.

and thanks for the sane posts.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

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