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Offline Marsing

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« Reply #2115 on: February 14, 2014, 02:43:13 PM »
profitis,
sorry, i come from zero.
what is electrolyte consist of ? also what are those rectangle ?

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« Reply #2116 on: February 14, 2014, 02:55:21 PM »
no problem @marsing.rectangles are platinum foils at different depths in any electrolyte that doesnt react with platinum e.g. H2SO4 aq. NaOH aq.(NH4)2SO4 aq. The last 2 electrolytes very good becoz they wet electrodes,low surface tension.

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« Reply #2117 on: February 14, 2014, 02:58:07 PM »
you have permission to try it yourself mark E. You are correct,gas pumps auto-electrochemicaly down each electrode to respective depths spontaneously during open circuit off mode however respective concentrations of gas are still different.it was the smart poster lanca IV who mentioned this earlier in this thread.
Profitis, I would appreciate a reference if you can provide one.

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Offline profitis

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« Reply #2118 on: February 14, 2014, 03:25:30 PM »
im going to have to hunt for one mark E. But dont you think that the o2 potential on the anode is diluted by the larger surface area of submerged electrode surface and the potential more concentrated on the cathode with less area for charge distribution?

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« Reply #2119 on: February 14, 2014, 03:28:34 PM »
im going to have to hunt for one mark E. But dont you think that the o2 potential on the anode is diluted by the larger surface area of submerged electrode surface and the potential more concentrated on the cathode with less area for charge distribution?
Profitis what I expect is that any difference in concentration is driven towards equilibrium regardless of whether the external circuit is connected or not.  I may be missing a consideration which is why I have asked for a reference that states that the drive towards equilibrium requires connection of the external circuit.

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« Reply #2120 on: February 14, 2014, 03:55:42 PM »
so what you are in fact implying @mark E is that if we were to measure the potential of a grossly submerged oxygen electrode and a slightly submerged oxygen electrode that they would both measure exactly equal voltages against a standard reference electrode,correct?

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« Reply #2121 on: February 14, 2014, 03:58:07 PM »
so what you are in fact implying @mark E is that if we were to measure the potential of a grossly submerged oxygen electrode and a slightly submerged oxygen electrode that they would both measure exactly equal voltages against a standard reference electrode,correct?
I have said that I expect the concentrations to move towards equilibrium, open circuit or not.  I have asked you for a reference that shows that they would not move towards equilibrium with an open circuit.

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« Reply #2122 on: February 14, 2014, 04:19:26 PM »
which implies by default that you,re saying that regardless of submergence of an oxygen electrode in a swamp of electrolyte that its potential will always be the same @mark E..correct?

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« Reply #2123 on: February 14, 2014, 04:43:05 PM »
which implies by default that you,re saying that regardless of submergence of an oxygen electrode in a swamp of electrolyte that its potential will always be the same @mark E..correct?
I tell you what:  Once you come up with a reference such as I asked for, then I will review that reference and we can discuss the matter further.

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« Reply #2124 on: February 14, 2014, 05:05:44 PM »
i tell you what @mark E, lets go with your flow,lets block communion between the gas of the 2 half-cells to make it easier for you and take it from there shall we? That removes your doubts regarding communion yes?

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« Reply #2125 on: February 14, 2014, 05:48:24 PM »
I tell you what:  Once you come up with a reference such as I asked for, then I will review that reference and we can discuss the matter further.
Never. Going. To. Happen. :D

i tell you what @mark E, lets go with your flow,lets block communion between the gas of the 2 half-cells to make it easier for you and take it from there shall we? That removes your doubts regarding communion yes?
QED. :D

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« Reply #2126 on: February 14, 2014, 06:41:36 PM »
i tell you what @mark E, lets go with your flow,lets block communion between the gas of the 2 half-cells to make it easier for you and take it from there shall we? That removes your doubts regarding communion yes?
I don't know why you would even suggest that since a number of messages back I stated that communication is required.  I don't think the idea that I would agree to removing a required element makes any sense.

When you come up with a reference as requested then I can review that reference and see if that changes my understanding.

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« Reply #2127 on: February 14, 2014, 06:46:00 PM »
Never. Going. To. Happen. :D
QED. :D
My never threshold for this request is a week.

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« Reply #2128 on: February 14, 2014, 08:12:41 PM »
@sarkeizen we are still waiting for you to show that textbooks dont necessitate perpetual batteries QED.you can see ive got mark E in a corner here,thats why he,s demanding a ref for a perpetual motion device.

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« Reply #2129 on: February 14, 2014, 08:18:24 PM »
@mark E gaseous communion is necessary for a gaseous concentration cell? Since when?cmon mark, lets seperate the electrodes with a gas valve and build up a pressure differiential,whaddayasay :D 

 

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