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jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1035 on: August 14, 2009, 01:33:21 AM »
Protonmom,
You are right, I have already posted it all.
There was some stuff from electricme, but I think that has all been posted too.

I love that brochure.
Did you notice that the handwriting says mine and me?
It is Stubblefield's own notes on the brochure.

The rest of what I 'know' has been because I go to sleep wondering about it, and often when I have done that for some nights, I wake up with a dream or a plain realization about it.

It is easy what I do to get these understandings, but I doubt it would come if I were not so very interested in understanding.

So, I have been using the trash compactor on my computer today. I found that I have less than 20 gigs free space. That is OK but it won't be very soon. Making movies for youtube from avi files of my taking has resulted in a use of about 2 gigs per youtube movie. And 8 of them makes it about 16gigs in a week!  :D

It has been fun, but I just needed to clear the extras away. Then I can make my final explanation which shows what I have learned about inductors added to a circuit. (I am not saying it is a lot yet I just want to finish telling it.)

thank you, thank you, thank you,

jeanna

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I bought and read the book by Lochte about NS.
"Kentucky Farmer invents Wireless Telephone"
Mostly it was about his efforts to make the cell phone, but all the locals talk about how Stubblefield invented the radio, so it was focused on the question, but Is it Radio?
Well, no, but a cell phone to be used on horse and buggy is not too shabby for forward thinking.
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1036 on: August 14, 2009, 02:12:29 AM »
Jeanna, I know you have a lot of irons in the fire at this time, but I hope you don't leave us here in the NS EB field.  I need you to stick around.  You have helped me a lot.  I will have questions 'til the cows come home.  When I start making my jt I will have a whole lot more.  But I need to know you will be here for the NS EB project to its finish.  (Until we get one that really, truely works.)

In your scope readings for today, did you notice anything different this morning compared to this afternoon that might explain why my readings were so different at those two times of day?  Why could I not replicate what I got this early morning?  I did everything exactly the same as far as I can remember.  The only difference was the time of day.  Are there changes in the magnetism of the earth during different hours?  I am just really upset about this.  Wish I could figure it out.  Anyone else know what could have caused this?

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1037 on: August 14, 2009, 02:12:30 AM »
@All
Do you suppose there is some Earth action going on early in the morning that would discontinue in the afternoon that would affect the earth battery? 
...  Here are some photos of what I did get this afternoon.
Please go out at the same time tomorrow if possible.
I do not know if I said this here, but my best performer only gave good results for about 10 hours.
If yours doesn't improve tomorrow, I would think that yours is falling into a similar category.
Not to worry though, It is now one of my great performers. It is the ac, and you cannot pick that up with a dmm. It is oscillation way too fast for it to pick up. (I think anyway.)

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But I need to know you will be here for the NS EB project to its finish.
Oh goodness, I am not leaving the stubblefield thread!
I stopped last year because I did not know what to do next. No one else did either, I think.

The joule thief thread has allowed me to understand way more than I could have by staying only here.
I want to have a way to make usable power from the earth power.
I am very determined, as you can see. I cannot even get a joule thief to light from my earth battery!, but I am not concerned. I am sure I will. And, I think I am on the track.
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I decided to post today's pics here because of what I said earlier about the pulses.
The dmm is reading 925mvdc for the plain EB, and only around 700mvdc for the long eb with 2 NS generators added to each end, but the difference in what they pick up is amazing... and that is why I think this is what we are looking for.
1st pic plain eb at 10 milliseconds of time per division on the x axis going left to right. (these are the earth currents that are normally there.)
The second is the eb with 2 NS coils added. It is the exact same setting on the scope but the scope cannot even read the voltage because it is off the chart! (look at the effect this NS coil has on the currents that are there. It grows them immensely.)

jeanna
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Second Edit:
I just got my new tiny meter for reading dc amps. So, I will add this here.
Plain EB - 35.7uADC
EB with 2 NS generators = 96.4uAdc  (almost one milliamp)
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 03:10:53 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1038 on: August 14, 2009, 02:18:08 AM »
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2 NS generators added to each end,
  Please post a pic of this setup of the 2 NS generators at each end.  Thanks

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1039 on: August 14, 2009, 02:33:20 AM »
  Please post a pic of this setup of the 2 NS generators at each end.  Thanks
Ta Da

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and I found the pic with the cement pots. I cannot find your request for it, protonmom, but, to save pages on the website, I will add it here as an edit.
The N-S directions and the voltages are all right on the pic.


jeanna
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 03:48:12 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1040 on: August 14, 2009, 04:33:10 AM »
@IotaYodi
Sorry for not responding earlier.  I will definitely try the utility knife next.  It has to be better and sharper than my old paring knife.  Thank you.

@Jeanna
Okay then...I see what you mean by being at both ends now.  I will have to try that setup.
On your cement pots (I always want to say "cement ponds"  ;D) what did you learn?  I have two cem. pots ready for something, just don't know what.  I made them pretty big.  They are ugly, but who cares if they are planted in the ground.  What matters is do they do anything???

Well, what do you know.  I hooked up the new EB with the cu at the top and the fe hooked to the bottom of the core.  Here are the readings.  It went back almost to what it was earlier today....from a totally different hookup.  Now, why would it do that?
On the last one, I cannot see what the setting was on, but I generally check the V200 or V20 and the A 20m or A200m.  My guess is A200m but not sure.  Will do over again another time.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1041 on: August 14, 2009, 05:23:48 AM »


@Jeanna
Okay then...I see what you mean by being at both ends now.  I will have to try that setup.
Cool!
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On your cement pots (I always want to say "cement ponds"  ;D) what did you learn?

hmm cement ponds. well that would hold some water...

I set them up to see if I could add in series.
At that point we were all noticing that we could not add in series.
If we added anything it would go to zero more than likely.
So I wanted to try the cement  thinking that it would be earthlike and in the earth but have a kind of separation at the same time.
I tried many things. One of the pots frankly refused to work.
So, I only used 2. One has carbon granules from a spent brita filter. Sometimes I would use a carpenter's pencil, but this time it was a copper pipe. The other is filled with soil like a flower pot.
As you can see, The initial cu-zn connection gave me 0.83vdc. But then I walked the wires through 2 cement pots in a series order and when the final zn was in place the voltage was .93vdc. That was an improvement. But the winter was cold and rainy and I never pursued it much. Also, we began to work on the Stubblefield coils just then.

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I have two cem. pots ready for something, just don't know what. ...  What matters is do they do anything???
Only one way to know!  ;D

Those are high readings.
Anything over 10mA is a high reading for an earth battery. Maybe it is time for you to try an led?
Put the neg side of cap on the fe with the short leg of the led and connect the other 2 legs to the cu side of the eb wires....and maybe you will get a light.
Red is what Bill used from the plain eb.

Wow, you are moving fast! very wonderful.

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1042 on: August 14, 2009, 12:13:30 PM »
@jeanna,
thank you for posting the scan of  Stubblefield's full flyer here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.msg197127#msg197127.

To me this is the most important document about his cell apart from the patent.
Interesting to read that the Fe wire would SLOWLY degrade, yet the Cu would remain more or less intact.
So you are right. The cell is started by a galvanic process, but then the resulting current evokes an additional effect (the magnetic field of the coil), which is what makes his invention so important and unique compared to other batteries.
Also his handwriting
Quote from: Nathan_Stubblefield
The pat office officials would not accept my name of magnetic induction cell as proposed by me.

@protonmom,
... with the cu at the top and the fe hooked to the bottom of the core. 
routing the minus (= the Fe wire) through the core and achieving higher current output with this trick is very interesting, if it is not a measuring error.
What if you hook up the Fe to the top of the core? You get the same effect?

Maybe you can stand the coil upright into a plastic beaker with a LITTLE water in it, so that the water just covers base of the coil.
In this way the water can seep up through the cloth, keeping the coil body moist automatically.
Then you could keep the DMM connected for continuous readings on the 200mA scale, following what happens to those readings for a day or two without interruption.

But I have a problem with your latest data:
In the first photo (A20m 0.61.jpg ) in last posting
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.msg197160#msg197160
the Amp reading is very low (zero-point-six-one milliAmpere) compared to the day before, when you got ninety-two_point_five milliAmpere
 here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.msg197009#msg197009
Yet you write
.... It went back almost to what it was earlier today....
But the two Amperage/current readings are orders of magnitude apart!?
Is there an error somewhere ( probably in my understanding)
Please keep us/me posted in case you have time to take more readings.
Thanks mom.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 12:56:36 PM by oscar »

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1043 on: August 14, 2009, 03:31:50 PM »


"Earth Energy and Vocal Radio"   Nathan Stubblefield

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/nathan-s.htm

Interesting read.

DonL

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« Reply #1044 on: August 14, 2009, 06:53:08 PM »

...if it is not a measuring error.
What if you hook up the Fe to the top of the core? You get the same effect?

Lots of us found the same results as protonmom has.

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Then you could keep the DMM connected for continuous readings on the 200mA scale, following what happens to those readings for a day or two without interruption.
Excellent idea. I agree. If you can do that protonmom.

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But I have a problem with your latest data:
...the Amp reading is very low (zero-point-six-one milliAmpere) compared to the day before, when you got ninety-two_point_five milliAmpere

I had the same thing happen which is why I am hoping protonmom can do a continuous test to report how fast and how much etc.
It is isn't too late already.
Mine never went back up to the original reading I had from that first day.
But... it is doing very well as a radiant receiver!!

So, yeah, protonmom, please do us a favor and take all those measurements, please!

thanks also to oscar,

jeanna

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« Reply #1045 on: August 15, 2009, 03:58:57 AM »
Oscar
I am sorry for the confusion.  I meant to say I hooked up the cu (pos) at the top of the coil, but then hooked up the NEG wire to the bottom of the core..in other words to the all thread at the bottom.   It was not the fe going through the core to the bottom...but that does sound interesting.  It was just a brain slip.  Copper pos wire hooked up at the top of the entire coil setup...and the neg wire of the DMM hooked up to the all thread which goes through the middle of the entire assembly...making that the fe hookup.  Yes, it was the exact same reading for the bottom core (bolt) as it was at the top of the core (bolt)  I just now checked the reading again.  WITH THE BLACK NEG WIRE hooked up to the core bolt instead of to the fe wire of the assembly, the reading is now .93 both top and bottom.  Don't know just what it means, or why the readings are good there at all and why not at the fe anymore, but perhaps it is cyclic?  We shall see as I have not, and will not give up.  Hope I  cleared that up and sorry again for being tired when I was writing that.   EDIT Remember though, the first readings as per my pic I posted was taken with the cu pos and the fe neg and no bolt in the picture at all.

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« Reply #1046 on: August 15, 2009, 04:07:34 AM »
I bought a cheap analog meter the other day, but dont know a thing about how to read it.  If I were to take photo shots of the readings using that meter with or without the DMM would anyone here be able to read it by just looking at the pics?  I will try to not get the flash too bright, or get it out of focus.  I would like to hook up both the analog and the dmm at the same time but that probably would not work, would it???

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« Reply #1047 on: August 15, 2009, 04:14:49 AM »
Protonmom:

I don't know if this helps or not but, in my 2 Stubblefield coil attempts, I found that my best reading always came from the cu wire (either end) and the core. (iron)

You might try checking continuity on all wires and to the core just to see that a short has not developed somewhere. (maybe you have already done this)

Like Jeanna said, we got great results in the early stages and then.....it seemed to dwindle.  I don't know why this was and I am pretty sure no one else did either.

That is why I followed someone's suggestion to add vinegar to the ground where my coil was buried.  Sure enough, all my numbers went sky high... for a while....then....nothing....end of coil.

We have a lot more to learn about these coils and I admire the work you are doing.  you had said you wanted to catch up to us on these experiments and, I believe you have.  Jeanna has a better memory than I but, I have seen what she has posted to you about our former efforts and I agree with everything she has told you.

Now, you are exploring new territory.  Please keep it up and keep reporting your results.

Bill

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« Reply #1048 on: August 15, 2009, 04:29:55 AM »
At 10:23 p.m.Eastern time (just now) I checked the DMM reading with the leads of the meter hooked up neg to fe and pos to cu leaving 10's open...and no core.  I will leave the meter running for a bit and hope the battery does not run down.
EDIT:  I forgot to include the readings... It was .52 on the V20
Jeanna, on the previous page where you posted the two files from Pogue, they do not show up all the way.  I thought maybe it was just slow, but I have tried and tried to get it to completely load to no avail.  I was wondering how (I think it was Oscar) someone could read the part of Nathan's handwriting when I have never been able to see it all.  Even the pages I thought I had saved from earlier did not have it all there.  Those pngs and gifs just don't load right.  Is there any way  you could put it all into a single pdf and send it on over?  I would thank you one million times.

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« Reply #1049 on: August 15, 2009, 07:10:45 AM »
I will try
Here goes. this has made my page extremely wide. I cannot read anything all at once. I did not realize this would happen.

I hope this works.
jeanna