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Author Topic: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....  (Read 179767 times)

Offline Tink

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2010, 06:12:02 PM »
I very much doubt a white led will run with just one loop of wire.
I think the red led lights up because it is a direct connection to the 1.5 Volt source (red leds do light up at about 1.5 Volts you see!).

This is a typical boost circuit . The one wire is actually an inductor . I have build several . The inductor looks like a resistor . most of them are light blue with color stripes indication the micro henerys . I posted a schematic way back in the Jt thread somewhere and made a nice Christmas led with a diffuser glob laster year . . Mine pulled about 8 mas still to high and higher than My latest normal jt using 2n2222a . It pulls 2 ma full power on a 1 volt battery lighting up a super bright 10mm white led PLUS charges a Super Cap . I found out by trial and error that component placement make a world of difference on both input and output  of the transistor . I made two Jts both with the same parts but put them in different locations and got  drastically different inputs and out puts . here is the video of My 2 ma  i gave to Groundloop  . I tried to make a duplicate but put the parts on different places ,same hook up and same parts but could not make the replicate draw less than 10 ma  :( so if you duplicate  i would recommend you put them in exactly the order i have in the z Video ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q2VnPpvKdI
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Gadgetmall,
The man said in his movie "one turn of insulated wire", he meant that his super Joule-thief will also work with a one turn of insulated wire as an aircore coil.
I do agree with you that just one loop of wire is in fact a coil, what I find hard to believe is that his circuit will oscilate at a frequency of some 400 or more MegaHertz.
I think that his one loop of wire just works as a direct connection to the red led and his oscilator circuit doesn't oscilate at all.
It will work with normal coils though as he has stated.

Tell me where to buy this miracle red LED that runs on 1.5V.

David7630274,
Calling me a liar?
Red leds do light up with just a normal 1.5 Volt battery without a series resistor needed (although not very bright).
Since I have some 700 red leds laying about you can buy them from me, but of course these leds are magical so I will charge you 10 Euros a piece.

Offline tinu

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2010, 07:54:25 PM »
Tinu,
   Mad rush, I agree that it's titled poorly.  Any suggestions?
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My suggestion? Definitely to change the title (AND the description, where applicable). Something like “Hopefully…” or “It seems that…” or maybe “I had an OU dream” will do it.

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Ahh, things are all moving at the speed of light here ;)  and what if he's tapped into it...

Quote Lindemann: Tesla said in patents that there are 2 different types of particles.  One is electron, other is aether. If you block electron via a super fast charge gap with over 1 million cycles and 100KV then cold electricity appear from the pure flux of aether. No electron can go that fast. So the thing is to purify the electron from the aether. This can be done only via a spark with smaller duration than 10mhz. So all your circuits are useless in this realm.

SM

It may well be. But it needs to be proved.
See, I know for sure (please don’t argue with me) that aether is made of tiny tiny peanuts. But for some reason I still can’t get peanut butter out of it.  ;)

Best regards,
Tinu

Offline sirmikey1

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit"
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2010, 09:35:49 PM »
David,

  Where did this circuit come from?  Is it the BEMF lighting the LEDs?  Do you understand the circuit enough that you can explain the oscillation and output source to me, please?   

  Gadgetmall, Tink or Tunu, you guys are somewhat correct about our measurements. The bigger brighter coils draw more current.  Doubled my previous draw. Something to do with specific or clarity in frequency? 

   This video is titled "LIGHTNING MAKER", he's got this huge spark gap going with a 1.5volt battery, and no collector tube.  We are getting so close (current magnification).  KV from a AA battery, 5 hour run time.  Huge white spark, needs a precharged electrophorus collector tube.       
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGJKtYbGLw4

Mikey
« Last Edit: January 02, 2010, 10:28:36 PM by sirmikey1 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2010, 12:14:35 AM »
mikey
if you will follow my posts in the joule thief section you will see the schematic
for the hv from a AA battery and watch my videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/koolerization

Offline jadaro2600

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2010, 01:47:53 AM »
I took some frequency measurements on my replication of this circuit, I was surprised to see that the pnp transistor isn't switching on and off, but the circuit won't work without it.

I think it's strange that there's no path C-E, ..0.L on the meter during operation.

Frequencies across C-E on the pnp are around 25kHz.... a recent test with a switch on the pnp transistor and i still get no frequency reading on the PNP and on the NPN, I get 11kHz.

It should be noted, in the original diagram at the beginning of the thread, that it appears as though the C and E junction on the PNP transistor have been mislabeled, although this doesn't make a difference for some transistors, it will on others.  I noticed much better results when flipping the transistor around.

david7630274, the circuit is more flexible than stated, actually.

I stand firm on my red led theory, regardless of whether or not the particular one in question is a 1.5V light or not, the fact is that most RED led's don't consume nearly as much power as others, just as well, there are in fact 1.5V led's available., 3mm die types I think.  I don't feel like arguaing about the red light though, the circuit does work!

Moving on! ...It would be interesting to figure a way out to get a secondary on this thing, limit the cross-current - ..perhaps another inductor, and a large capacitor between the two.  I keep getting the washtub image.

It may be advisable to redraw the circuit diagram, it's crowded, and things are running over themselves, and the CE mismatch ( unless someone has a negative resistance idea they want to expound upon ).
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 02:09:33 AM by jadaro2600 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2010, 02:57:11 AM »
Jadaro,

  Your freq values look like full wave and then half wave rectification caused by the transistor diodes.  Is the pnp pulsing the npn? 

   With one joule thief running, testing two coils, I get 21khz with one and  58khz with the other.  If I crank up the old JT beside it, the values change to 10khz and 78khz.  Atmosphere has everything to do with it.   

  Koolerization, I made comment on your AA KV video that you might use one spark to pulse another coil/spark, creating fat hairy spurred/spiked white Tesla sparks.

Hail Tesla...
Mikey
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 04:15:46 AM by sirmikey1 »

Offline gadgetmall

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2010, 03:17:35 AM »
Gadgetmall,
The man said in his movie "one turn of insulated wire", he meant that his super Joule-thief will also work with a one turn of insulated wire as an aircore coil.
I do agree with you that just one loop of wire is in fact a coil, what I find hard to believe is that his circuit will oscilate at a frequency of some 400 or more MegaHertz.
I think that his one loop of wire just works as a direct connection to the red led and his oscilator circuit doesn't oscilate at all.
It will work with normal coils though as he has stated.

David7630274,
Calling me a liar?
Red leds do light up with just a normal 1.5 Volt battery without a series resistor needed (although not very bright).
Since I have some 700 red leds laying about you can buy them from me, but of course these leds are magical so I will charge you 10 Euros a piece.
Your Exactly Right Tink and i have several red leds that will operate on less than 1.5 volts actually they run red at 0.8 volts . They are Clear and easily light with a piece of copper wire and and galvanizes nail stuck in the dirt :) They are precious little jewels  but as you said you don't need a Jt to run them at all .
Gadget

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2010, 03:46:06 AM »
@ jadaro2600

It would be interesting to figure a way out to get a secondary on this thing

Attached drawing may work. I have not tested it.


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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2010, 04:42:31 AM »
Jadaro,

  Your freq values look like full wave and then half wave rectification caused by the transistor diodes.  Is the pnp pulsing the npn? 

   With one joule thief running, testing two coils, I get 21khz with one and  58khz with the other.  If I crank up the old JT beside it, the values change to 10khz and 78khz.  Atmosphere has everything to do with it.   

  Koolerization, I made comment on your AA KV video that you need to use one spark to pulse another coil/spark, creating fat hairy spurred Tesla sparks.

Hail Tesla...
Mikey

I'll see what other measurements I can take, but I've had little results with the numbers.  I'm going to attempt to use a mated transformer and see what happens. ..I was able to replace the path from the negative side of the LED with a capacitor, and have it light, it was dim though..

In other words, I place a capacitor-led in series and connect that way and it seems to function at a lower level.

@ jadaro2600

Attached drawing may work. I have not tested it.
I just tested with some interesting results...I used this paired inductor I found from a box of scraps, it's just two coils, side by side, as you have in your diagram.  I reposted, ..it seems that the circuit will operate with one side of the capacitor connected to nothing, ..just ambient, I wonder what would happen if the other side were connected to an antenna?

The circuit works as you posted it, I just posted my observation.


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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2010, 05:08:33 AM »

xee2,

   I wired your mod exactly (no R2), "SUCCESSFUL".  This wiring is much cleaner than the orginal JT circuit which was pumping voltage into both coils, had the bifillars connected.  The only neg here is the two extra parts, but it's worth it to me just to have the secondary working like a transformer. 

MA INPUT: 26ma
MA OUTPUT 6.5ma
Out Voltage: 2.5V DC with identical primary/secondary coils (bifilar).
Frequency 100khz at LED leads.  \
 
  I hear that 20 turns primary with 200 turns secondary does much better. That 4kv trigger coil is probably the think to do:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=4kv+trigger

EDIT:
Jadaro,
  That mod does not oscillate for me, oscillator as antenna.  Please double check your wiring, just for peace of mind.

Mikey
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 05:49:14 AM by sirmikey1 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2010, 05:56:05 AM »
  I hear that 20 turns primary with 200 turns secondary does much better. That 4kv trigger coil is probably the think to do:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=4kv+trigger

Yes, 20:200 should give higher output voltage. That is the advantage of having a secondary. The secondary does not have to have two coils, the trigger coils should work also (however I have some concern over the high resistance of the coils you referenced above but I think they should work).

EDIT: drawing modified
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 10:12:15 AM by xee2 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2010, 09:32:37 AM »
Hi all,
    Does anyone know what type ferrite to buy?  There's a few dozen different types.  I'm seeing type 25, 28 43, and 47 on ebay, so far.
Thanks in Advance,
MIkey 

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2010, 10:18:20 AM »
Hi all,
    Does anyone know what type ferrite to buy?  There's a few dozen different types.  I'm seeing type 25, 28 43, and 47 on ebay, so far.
Thanks in Advance,
MIkey

If you are going to make a transformer for the Joule thief, you should use high permeability material.

Note that I modified the diagram to match the spec sheet for the trigger coil you referenced above. Those coils seem to be the equivalent of mini ignition coils.

 

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2010, 12:04:15 PM »
xee2,
  Are you "off the grid" yet? Thanks for all, very helpful. 
Mikey
 

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2010, 07:38:02 PM »
Hi all,
  Slayer just sent me this, Jeanna's youtube site.  http://www.youtube.com/user/jeannacav
Mikey
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 08:56:15 PM by sirmikey1 »