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Pirate88179 · « **Reply #1965 on:** April 16, 2016, 04:36:11 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 16, 2016, 04:13:01 AM

Bill:

The Budgie from Hell will haunt your dreams for the rest of your life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH7XSX10QkM

Damn! He really needed to be wearing safety glasses! He was very lucky.

My ex-wife could break them (and mirrors also) by just looking at them.

Bill

tinman · « **Reply #1966 on:** April 16, 2016, 05:41:22 AM »

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An increase in impedance would certainly cause a drop of input current and possibly an increase in output

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Yes it would.
This is why i asked the question as to what can change the value of impedance--other than those i have eliminated so far,which as far as im aware,are what is needed to change in order for the value
of impedance to change.

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What other introduced element can cause the circuit to appear as though the impedance has increased (i.e. a decrease in current)? How about an opposing voltage, i.e. cemf?

Exactly

Now,if we had a CEMF being produced across the primary coil,which would result in a decrease in current being delivered to the primary coil,what would be the resultant outcome of the secondary coil?.

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Nothing was changed in terms of the transformer impedance, but the input current is clearly going to be lower in the case when cemf is introduced.

I couldnt agree more.

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Is this happening here and in the rotor example (pretty much the same in concept)? Is the moving magnet also causing a higher output? I don't know for certain, I'm just speculating at the moment in an attempt to explain the reduced input current without changing the impedance.

I agree with your explanation in the reduced P/in to the primary coil.

I would like to confirm the CEMF baing the cause of the reduction of P/in to the primary coil,and then we can move onto the rest of the effect.

Brad

Magluvin · « **Reply #1967 on:** April 16, 2016, 05:57:11 AM »

Ive been thinking about this also. The magnet on the pendulum driven with a coil could be similar to say a dc motor input, as when it is free wheeling, is the least due to the motor itself coming close to generating an equal opposition to the input.

Mags

tinman · « **Reply #1968 on:** April 16, 2016, 05:58:26 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 16, 2016, 02:19:41 AM

Yes, increased in-phase CEMF is what I asked him to check for by rigging up a photocell to measure the phase of the vibrating post relative to the function generator EMF. He could then simply move the post in and out on the bare coil and determine the corresponding EMF polarity from the magnet. The two EMFs together may explain the increased power in the load resistor but you have to know the phase. You just have to do the work to find out what is going on.

Lol
You really do crack me up some times MH lol.

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If you could only understand the concept of an impedance change in the system then you would not be marveling at the "energy from magnets."

Post 2033 from Poynt.
What other introduced element can cause the circuit to appear as though the impedance has increased (i.e. a decrease in current)? How about an opposing voltage, i.e. cemf?
The input current is determined by the potential difference across the primary impedance, with the assumption that the opposite end of the primary is at gnd potential (see "normal case"). In this case Vpri is Vfg=3V. Now what happens if another FG is connected to the bottom of the primary? See "cemf case". Now Vpri is Vfg1-Vfg2=2V.
Nothing was changed in terms of the transformer impedance, but the input current is clearly going to be lower in the case when cemf is introduced.

Then your next post MH :Yes, increased in-phase CEMF is what I asked him to check for

Lol-MH-Its the change in impedance
Poynt-Nothing was changed in terms of the transformer impedance. but the input current is clearly going to be lower in the case when cemf is introduced
Mh-- Yes yes-an increase in phase CEMF .

Lol-like i said before MH,you ride on the back of others to make your self look great--but you will always come unstuck.

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #1969 on:** April 16, 2016, 06:30:29 AM »

Quote from: Magluvin on April 16, 2016, 05:57:11 AM

Ive been thinking about this also. The magnet on the pendulum driven with a coil could be similar to say a dc motor input, as when it is free wheeling, is the least due to the motor itself coming close to generating an equal opposition to the input.

Mags

Yes Mag's
But what happens when you draw more energy from that motor?--you load the output ?
What happens to the P/in in the oscillating system when a greater load is being dissipated on the output?.

Lets not forget about the PMs pole orientation,where one pole is always facing the transformer,and where that transformers magnetic polarity is alternating--unlike that of a DC motor in relation to the stator magnets.

Maybe the now increase current flow through the secondary is what is inducing a CEMF in the primary,and not the oscillating magnet directly. Look at the scope shot below from the video taken while the oscillating system was in play,and take note of the polarity the scope is showing in the video without the oscillating system in play. As poynt mentioned before regarding the attached scope shot with the schematic regarding my question to minnie,CH2 is inverted,and was inverted to separate the two wave forms to make the scope shot clear . This means that when the oscillating system is in play,the primaries current and secondaries EMF are in phase ,which means the secondaries current is also in phase with the primaries current

Unlike MHs copy cat responce that the CEMF is being produced by the magnet,if he took any kind of notice to the orientation of the PMs field to that of the alternating magnetic field of the primary coil,then he would have worked out that it could not be the PM directly interacting with the primary coil that causes the CEMF in the primary coil.
Guess what happens if the load is removed from the secondary coil?

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #1970 on:** April 16, 2016, 06:42:30 AM »

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MileHigh

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I suggest that you don't do anything yet with respect to Brad's question because it appears that Brad hasn't even done the work himself.

If anyone wanted your opinion ,they would have asked for it.

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He believes his little experiment with the oscillating post that has a magnet on it, which is oscillating in front of a coil driven by the function generator, is showing "magical work coming from magnets" once again based on the two scope shots. Now he is coming here asking for a spoon-feeding session and he is expecting, yet again, to see you guys do the work and validate his theory. We all know how that one will end up.

More trash talk from the trash can.

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Well in fact in both of the scope shots there is a slight phase shift between the voltage and the current, and the two phase shifts are not the same. That may or may not be significant in determining what is going on in the experiment.

As i said earlier--you dont have the skill set to work out anything in regards to this experiment--hence me asking Poynt one simple question--?which ended your idiotic reference to impedance change.

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I also explained to him that when he added the oscillating post and magnet to the system, the electro-mechanical impedance of the setup changed, and that's why he was getting different results. From the quote above, he is saying that he disagrees that the impedance is changing.

And i still do.

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I told Brad before he draws any conclusions to do a full power audit in both cases and see where the input power is going. I also told him that he could use an optical system to understand the phase relationship between the oscillating post and the voltage from the function generator so he could understand what is going on there.

So at least it appears that Brad has done none of this. All that he did was look at a kind of glorified "numbers in boxes" deal and arrive at a conclusion.

Another incorrect assumption -as per usual.

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So Brad adds the oscillating post and the current draw decreases and If I recall correctly there is also more power being dissipated in a five-ohm load resistor attached to the transformer secondary and the phase on the secondary voltage also changes.

Still cant put 2 and 2 together.
Secondary voltage !and! current MH.

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So there is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first.

Says the man who dose no bench work at all

I have asked you before,and will ask again--butt out MH--not interested in your input.

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #1971 on:** April 16, 2016, 06:57:35 AM »

Perhaps PW (and others) will look a little closer at what is happening here-as would some one else that no longer can.
Maybe we can learn from measurement protocols from the past?.
Maybe more attention is required to things i say throughout the thread regarding our little magnetic oscillator--things like how !frequency! increases the effect,how it dosnt matter if the coil is oscillating,while the magnet is fixed,or the coil is fixed while the magnet is free to oscillate.
The fact that an increase in load on the output,increases the magnetic field strength of the secondary coil,which should result in a need for a higher P/in-but dose not.
A primary source-acting on a secondary source-acting on a 3rd source that reacts !!with!! the primary source.
Lights on--lights off.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #1972 on:** April 16, 2016, 07:32:56 AM »

Quote from: tinman on April 16, 2016, 05:58:26 AM

Lol
You really do crack me up some times MH lol.

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Post 2033 from Poynt.
What other introduced element can cause the circuit to appear as though the impedance has increased (i.e. a decrease in current)? How about an opposing voltage, i.e. cemf?
The input current is determined by the potential difference across the primary impedance, with the assumption that the opposite end of the primary is at gnd potential (see "normal case"). In this case Vpri is Vfg=3V. Now what happens if another FG is connected to the bottom of the primary? See "cemf case". Now Vpri is Vfg1-Vfg2=2V.
Nothing was changed in terms of the transformer impedance, but the input current is clearly going to be lower in the case when cemf is introduced.

Then your next post MH :Yes, increased in-phase CEMF is what I asked him to check for

Lol-MH-Its the change in impedance
Poynt-Nothing was changed in terms of the transformer impedance. but the input current is clearly going to be lower in the case when cemf is introduced
Mh-- Yes yes-an increase in phase CEMF .

Lol-like i said before MH,you ride on the back of others to make your self look great--but you will always come unstuck.

Brad

That's a totally pretentious posting with a bunch of fake-ass lols.

There is a big red glow on Poyn't comment about nothing being changed in terms of transformer impedance. Then he says the current will be lower when CEMF is being introduced. You are getting the usual soft treatment. When the input current lowers the impedance does indeed change. What I did was wrap your whole setup in a black box and said that system impedance changes. So your red glow means nothing Brad and there is no opportunity to lol. It's probably the usual issue with you and language again.

"Mh-- Yes yes-an increase in phase CEMF ." - The joke is on you Brad. An increase in in in-phase CEMF will indeed change the impedance of the coil as seen from the point of view of the function generator, you are just being treated with kid gloves.

"Lol-like i said before MH,you ride on the back of others to make your self look great--but you will always come unstuck."

That is just another ridiculous bald-faced lie one more time.

From my post #1838:

"Just set up a photocell and light source and scope it along with your voltage trace and find out what the phase is like for the vibrating post below the resonant frequency, at the resonant frequency, and above the resonant frequency. Then just make a simple test on the EMF generation in the coil for when post approaches the coil and when it recedes away from the coil."

"So if you make your measurements and account for where all of the input power is going in both cases, and if you can demonstrate that the vibrating post is acting like an inductive mechanical reactor that is adding to the inductance of the coil, and you can account for the changes for the load resistor, then you would be in pretty good shape."

There I am telling you to determine what the timing is like for the CEMF in the coil. Unless you can't figure that out for yourself from what I wrote.

I am not riding on anybody's back, you are just shamelessly lying, or, your technical and English comprehension problems resulted in what I quoted in my post #1838 "passing right through you like you weren't even there." If the latter is the case then you have a big fail for not asking me to explain it further so you could understand it.

So your little laughing barrel of monkeys is not there, it's a fake. Like it or not, on this thread you are getting the real deal from me and you are not going to be coddled.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1973 on:** April 16, 2016, 08:14:31 AM »

Okay, Brad, time for a little bit of repartee.

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If anyone wanted your opinion ,they would have asked for it.

Really brilliant. I will restate my opinion: I don't believe that you have done all of the power measurements like you claim. If you did that you would share your findings and you haven't. You should not be helped until you actually demonstrate that you really tried to understand your setup by making all of the power measurements and calculations, and tried to account for any missing power and explain it. You should do the full CEMF phase analysis and plot everything out on a timing diagram and try to understand the timing and the power trail for both setups before you come here with your hands held out looking for a hand-out. There is no reason at all that you can't do that work yourself and document it. Do your work first and then come here to discuss it.

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More trash talk from the trash can.

We all really do know how it will end up. Instead of doing the work yourself and giving it your best shot, you are going to be coddled and your hand is going to be held and after you do everything you are told to do, you will prove that in your simple setup, once again that there is no magical work coming from magnets. You will say, "Aw shucks" and move on, or you might even prematurely disappear without saying anything when you sense that once again that you have nothing. This has been going on for years.

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As i said earlier--you dont have the skill set to work out anything in regards to this experiment--hence me asking Poynt one simple question--?which ended your idiotic reference to impedance change.

You better damn well believe that I have the skill set to analyze your simple experiment. This is an example of you shamelessly making a spectacle of yourself like clown. You know that I have the skill set to do it, Poynt and PW know it, and everybody knows that you are lying. It's embarrassing.

My reference to impedance change is dead-on accurate. You are just showing your limitations when you state that.

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And i still do.

And you still do disagree that the impedance is changing. The bloody power consumption is different between the two setups Einstein, and therefore by definition the impedance is changing.

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Another incorrect assumption -as per usual.

My belief is that if you had done the full power audit for both setups then you would have shared that information. We know you and what your behaviour is like when it comes to these things from tons of past experience. Or, right now you are working away furiously after you made your statement in order to deliver the goods. If either one of my beliefs is true, then you are lying through your teeth.

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Still cant put 2 and 2 together.
Secondary voltage !and! current MH.

So you are "correcting me" there, about a resistor? You look like a clown stating that.

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Says the man who dose no bench work at all

I have asked you before,and will ask again--butt out MH--not interested in your input.

I will repeat it: There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first.

MileHigh

tinman · « **Reply #1974 on:** April 16, 2016, 08:39:21 AM »

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MileHigh

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There is a big red glow on Poyn't comment about nothing being changed in terms of transformer impedance. Then he says the current will be lower when CEMF is being introduced. You are getting the usual soft treatment. When the input current lowers the impedance does indeed change.

Absolute rubbish MH,and you know it--or maybe you dont

Impedance-->

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the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component to alternating current, arising from the combined effects of ohmic resistance and reactance

As neither the ohmic resistance or reactance has changed in the circuit MH,please tell us all here how the impedance has changed.
You have done what you normally do,and associated a drop in current being the result in the change of impedance--which it is not.
You are more than welcome to take another 4 to 8 weeks,and come up with your great reveal on impedance.

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Mh-- Yes yes-an increase in phase CEMF ." - The joke is on you Brad. An increase in in in-phase CEMF will indeed change the impedance of the coil as seen from the point of view of the function generator, you are just being treated with kid gloves.

You are acting like a child your self MH.
Lets have you answer some questions then--shall we?.
1-The drop in current flow through the primary coil(the drop in P/in),means the impedance value of the primary coil went up or down?
2-The increase in current flow through the secondary coil,resulting in a higher power value dissipated across the 5 ohm resistor, means the impedance in the secondary coil went up or down?
3- The combined results of the transformer as a whole,means the impedance went up or down?.
4-The phase relationship between the primary and secondary coils current is bought into phase with each other how?
5-Show another transformer test carried out that shows the EMF and current phase relationship between the primary and secondary coil of a transformer to be in phase.

You want to be part of this MH,then it is your turn to answer some questions.

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"Just set up a photocell and light source and scope it along with your voltage trace and find out what the phase is like for the vibrating post below the resonant frequency, at the resonant frequency, and above the resonant frequency. Then just make a simple test on the EMF generation in the coil for when post approaches the coil and when it recedes away from the coil."

From the mechanical resonance thread
Quote: Next i am going to use a laser to find out where the magnet is in relation to the primary coils magnetic field. I want to find out what kind of interaction the PMs field is having with the primaries field. I have this feeling that some how the PMs field is leading that of the primaries field,and this is how the secondaries EMF phase is able to come back into phase with the current of the primary,and not 90* out as it should be --we will see.

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"So if you make your measurements and account for where all of the input power is going in both cases, and if you can demonstrate that the vibrating post is acting like an inductive mechanical reactor that is adding to the inductance of the coil, and you can account for the changes for the load resistor, then you would be in pretty good shape."

If you had watch the video carfully,then you would have seen that i increased the inductance of the transformer to a far greater value than the magnet increased it to,and the results were no where near that of when the oscillating magnet was in play.

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There I am telling you to determine what the timing is like for the CEMF in the coil. Unless you can't figure that out for yourself from what I wrote.

Lol. I guess you think i have never done this sort of thing before--timing that is

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I am not riding on anybody's back, you are just shamelessly lying, or, your technical and English comprehension problems resulted in what I quoted in my post #1838 "passing right through you like you weren't even there." If the latter is the case then you have a big fail for not asking me to explain it further so you could understand it.

As i said,your input is neither wanted or needed,and there is nothing that you could explain to me.

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So your little laughing barrel of monkeys is not there, it's a fake. Like it or not, on this thread you are getting the real deal from me and you are not going to be coddled.

Like the resonant systems in and around ICEs?--or perhaps the workings of simple electronic components -like a J/FET ?

Lets see how you go with my 5 question's,and then i may reconsider the value of your word's.
My guess is that you will wait for some one else to answer the question's,and provide the required transformer test,and then you will go--yes yes,that is what i was going to say--just like you said others will do after you handed down your wine glass big reveal.

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #1975 on:** April 16, 2016, 09:17:09 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 16, 2016, 08:14:31 AM

MileHigh

Okay, MH, time for a little bit of repartee.

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Really brilliant. I will restate my opinion: I don't believe that you have done all of the power measurements like you claim. If you did that you would share your findings and you haven't. You should not be helped until you actually demonstrate that you really tried to understand your setup by making all of the power measurements and calculations, and tried to account for any missing power and explain it. You should do the full CEMF phase analysis and plot everything out on a timing diagram and try to understand the timing and the power trail for both setups before you come here with your hands held out looking for a hand-out. There is no reason at all that you can't do that work yourself and document it. Do your work first and then come here to discuss it

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You are a fool MH.
The very reason i asked Poynt the question about impedance,is because i have already used all that !I! know that would cause a change in impedance. I asked Poynt-what can change the impedance in an air core transformer,so as i could account for things that i may have missed.
But here you are!!you clown!! telling those who we learn from,not to teach--you idiot.

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We all really do know how it will end up. Instead of doing the work yourself and giving it your best shot, you are going to be coddled and your hand is going to be held and after you do everything you are told to do, you will prove that in your simple setup, once again that there is no magical work coming from magnets. You will say, "Aw shucks" and move on, or you might even prematurely disappear without saying anything when you sense that once again that you have nothing. This has been going on for years.

You really do talk out of the south end of a north bound camel MH.
There has been nothing but consistent dribble and harassment from you since i taught you all about resonant systems in ICEs,and proved you wrong. That is all this is about. You need to get over the fact that a bench experimenter toasted your ass,and move on.

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You better damn well believe that I have the skill set to analyze your simple experiment. This is an example of you shamelessly making a spectacle of yourself like clown. You know that I have the skill set to do it, Poynt and PW know it, and everybody knows that you are lying. It's embarrassing.

MH-you dont even know how a J/FET work's,and you just blasted away,saying that my idea of using a L/FET in a low voltage JT type circuit made no sense. Just another example where you made a mistake of something that is common knowledge -like resonant systems in and around ICEs.

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My reference to impedance change is dead-on accurate. You are just showing your limitations when you state that.

Lets see how you go with those questions i asked of you.

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And you still do disagree that the impedance is changing. The bloody power consumption is different between the two setups Einstein, and therefore by definition the impedance is changing.

Ah,so power consumption means a change in impedance?

Impedance-->the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component to alternating current, arising from the combined effects of ohmic resistance and reactance.

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My belief is that if you had done the full power audit for both setups then you would have shared that information. We know you and what your behaviour is like when it comes to these things from tons of past experience. Or, right now you are working away furiously after you made your statement in order to deliver the goods. If either one of my beliefs is true, then you are lying through your teeth.

I am not a liar MH--thank you very much.
I do not bow down to your(or anyone elses) commands on what,when,and where i should do things.
Please stop blaming your limitations on me

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So you are "correcting me" there, about a resistor? You look like a clown stating that.

Oh,so it's not important to know the current phase relationship in the secondary to the rest of the system?--who needs some lessons in !!correct!! measurements now MH?.
Shouldn't we know the secondaries current phase when looking for your !!impedance !!change MH?,or are we just happy to use EMF as a measure of power now?..

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I will repeat it: There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first.

You are a true blue hypocrite MH-and you just proved that.
In one breath you are saying--listen to those that can teach you-if you dont know how to do something,just ask-we are here to help.
And in the next breath you say-There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first

You are just pathetic MH.
As i said before-i asked Poynt the question about !what can change impedance in a transformer! ,because i had used all the knowledge i had to find if the impedance could indeed change.
And here you are you !!hypocrite!! telling those here,that can help, not to help at all-->you sad ,sad individual.

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #1976 on:** April 16, 2016, 09:22:52 AM »

Quote from: Erfinder on April 16, 2016, 07:58:38 AM

Brad, lets not go there.....I know what you said, and you know what I stated as well...leave it at that.

Erfinder
I am not going to tread on rose peddles with you.
I just want it made clear that it was not me that said anything about a pure resistance changing with frequency-i said a effective resistance. Your comment about ! how anyone could think a pure resistance changes with frequency in beyond me!,makes it sound like you were referring to my comment,as we are talking about the resistance changing within an inductor with a change in frequency--nothing to do with pure resistances.

As long as we have that understanding,then yes--lets leave it at that.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #1977 on:** April 16, 2016, 09:25:30 AM »

Brad:

Read: Impedance is "the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component." Effective resistance is voltage over current.

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As neither the ohmic resistance or reactance has changed in the circuit MH,please tell us all here how the impedance has changed.

When the voltage over the current changes, then the impedance changes. Don't tell me you are stuck in another "miscomprehension loop" over what impedance means. You can fight that one out with somebody else and if they win the war of attrition you will get unstuck from the loop.

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You have done what you normally do,and associated a drop in current being the result in the change of impedance--which it is not.

Assuming that the voltage is constant, that calls for a LOL infinity.

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From the mechanical resonance thread
Quote: Next i am going to use a laser to find out where the magnet is in relation to the primary coils magnetic field. I want to find out what kind of interaction the PMs field is having with the primaries field. I have this feeling that some how the PMs field is leading that of the primaries field,and this is how the secondaries EMF phase is able to come back into phase with the current of the primary,and not 90* out as it should be --we will see.

So you took my advice, did I get any credit?

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Lol. I guess you think i have never done this sort of thing before--timing that is

I have seen scope shots from you, but I can't recall seeing any serious timing analysis for a circuit done by you.

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As i said,your input is neither wanted or needed,and there is nothing that you could explain to me.

That deserves another lol. The way a person poses a question is a very good way of determining where their knowledge level and competence level is. Questions being posed by someone are often very revealing about the poser.

Have a look at this:

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While you are here,could you answer a simple question?.
What is needed in order to cause a change in impedance in a transformer,where that transformer has a primary and secondary winding,and is of an air core type ?.

Poynt was being very polite. But after six years of this, you were not able to pose a question that makes sense and demonstrates competence. It's an amateur vague, undefined question. It's the type of question that would get you eaten alive on a serious electronics forum.

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Like the resonant systems in and around ICEs?--or perhaps the workings of simple electronic components -like a J/FET ?

You must be getting sore from that.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1978 on:** April 16, 2016, 09:52:29 AM »

Brad:

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You are a true blue hypocrite MH-and you just proved that.
In one breath you are saying--listen to those that can teach you-if you dont know how to do something,just ask-we are here to help.
And in the next breath you say-There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first

You are just pathetic MH.
As i said before-i asked Poynt the question about !what can change impedance in a transformer! ,because i had used all the knowledge i had to find if the impedance could indeed change.
And here you are you !!hypocrite!! telling those here,that can help, not to help at all-->you sad ,sad individual.

Like I already stated, your question was half-assed. PW politely asked you for a schematic, not for a verbal description from you.

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And here you are you !!hypocrite!! telling those here,that can help, not to help at all

I refuse to believe that you can't understand, "There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first."

After six years and loads of help from Poynt, myself, TK, PW and others, you need to respect the time of the people you are dealing with. Do the work first and show your measurements, results, and conclusions and then seek help and advice from others. That is the message for your lazy fat ass. Did you see your laziness biting you in the ass because you could not be bothered to show a dot convention on your transformer and Poynt said your scope probe placement and what was on your schematic didn't match and you made mmmeesttaak-k-k-esssss?

You deserve help but you have to earn it. It shouldn't take three weeks and 15 hours of other people's time to demonstrate to you that your little experiment proves nothing and for the 30th time you deluded yourself. It should tale 2 hours max of other people's time to figure it out. Present your data, show your measurements, show your calculations, show your timing. Get off your ass and improve your game and show respect to the people that want to help you by doing the bloody work and summarizing it in a nice neat informative posting or two or three. I have already told you this before. Don't be a sad sack.

MileHigh

tinman · « **Reply #1979 on:** April 16, 2016, 10:44:04 AM »

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MileHigh

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Like I already stated, your question was half-assed. PW politely asked you for a schematic, not for a verbal description from you.

A classic example of your misdirection attempts MH. You wanted proof--here it is right here.
The question was driected to Poynt,and that question was--While you are here,could you answer a simple question?.
What is needed in order to cause a change in impedance in a transformer,where that transformer has a primary and secondary winding,and is of an air core type ?.

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I refuse to believe that you can't understand, "There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first.

You MH are against all that this forum stands for--helping others to learn that which they do not know. You truly are !!against!! the heart of this forum,and your very clear attempt to go against what this forum is about is now here for everyone to see. Your true nature and intent is now visible MH-you have been exposed for what you are. You are against experimenter helping experimenter,and you should be ejected from this forum. Your fowl language is also on display here on this forum. You may be able to remove your posts showing such profanities,but you cannot remove my reply's that include your profanities. And then you have the nerve to say--!It's embarrassing how ridiculous and awful your behaviour is!--you really are a hypocrite MH-and that is clear throughout this thread.

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After six years and loads of help from Poynt, myself, TK, PW and others, you need to respect the time of the people you are dealing with.

I have the upmost respect for all mentioned !but you! MH. I have zero respect for you,and your sadistic attitude.

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Do the work first and show your measurements, results, and conclusions[/b] and then seek help and advice from others. That is the message for your lazy fat ass.

The only one that has a lazy fat ass MH is you--sitting in your little rocking chair,and doing nothing but bringing negativity to this forum. This shows how delusional you are,and you are beginning to believe your own lies.

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Did you see your laziness biting you in the ass because you could not be bothered to show a dot convention on your transformer and Poynt said your scope probe placement and what was on your schematic didn't match and you made mmmeesttaak-k-k-esssss?

Second attempt at misdirection by you MH,and in the same thread.
The scope shot is absolutely correct for the question asked,and had absolutely nothing to do with polarity correctness. Lets see you go argue that point with PW and TK,then bring your little self back here ,with your tail tucked behind your leg's,and make another apology for being incorrect again. You will not question what they have to say,because you are a coward-pure and simple.

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You deserve help but you have to earn it. It shouldn't take three weeks and 15 hours of other people's time to demonstrate to you that your little experiment proves nothing and for the 30th time you deluded yourself.

The only one that is deluded here MH,is you--that much has become clear in this thread alone.

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It should tale 2 hours max of other people's time to figure it out.

Please try and keep your English up to scratch MH,as that makes no sense at all--what go's around,comes around.

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Present your data, show your measurements, show your calculations, show your timing. Get off your ass and improve your game and show respect to the people that want to help you by doing the bloody work and summarizing it in a nice neat informative posting or two or three. I have already told you this before. Don't be a sad sack.

Lol--look at you, thinking your all that lol.
You simply do not have the smarts to make demands like that MH.
You really need to get over the fact that i have had to correct you so many times in one thread--so tuffen up princess.
As i stated,i have respect for most here--except you.
You are a true example of those that this forum could do without.
And to finally go as far as to tell one member not to help out another member when they have asked for it,is nothing short of being a true troll/disinformationist--you have proven that beyond doubt now.

I will now repeat my questions to MH.
You are now in the same position you put EMJ in with your coil question.

1-The drop in current flow through the primary coil(the drop in P/in),means the impedance value of the primary coil went up or down?
2-The increase in current flow through the secondary coil,resulting in a higher power value dissipated across the 5 ohm resistor, means the impedance in the secondary coil went up or down?
3- The combined results of the transformer as a whole,means the impedance went up or down?.
4-The phase relationship between the primary and secondary coils current is bought into phase with each other how?
5-Show another transformer test carried out that shows the EMF and current phase relationship between the primary and secondary coil of a transformer to be in phase.

This is the second time i have asked MH these questions.
I ask no more from MH than he did of EMJ.
I also ask no one answer the questions until MH has done so.

Brad

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