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Author Topic: Joule Thief 101  (Read 944354 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #675 on: March 08, 2016, 02:29:23 PM »
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When calculated, then the wine glass is set on the table, and filled to the appropriate level, with the proper density of fluid
   ---  this value should (in theory) be the same as measured by the various methods demonstrated by our peers.

You have already been told that there is no liquid in the glass.

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I am not going to baby step you through the mathematics of congealed silicates, in their various chemical compositions
crystalline structure, density, grain lengths, dopants, thickness of the glass, dimensions of the resonant chamber formed by the goblet shape.
fluid mechanics of the liquid, be it oil, water, or some other medium.
Although it would be a great educational adventure for those wanting to increase their knowledge, it is a bit off-topic, and a lot of extra work just to prove a point to someone who doesn't bother to read..

Please baby step me through it.

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consider the difference between the speed of sound in air, vs the speed of sound in a vacuum.

Can you elaborate on that?

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in an empty glass the natural resonant frequency is close to that of the resonant chamber, times a coefficient of the glass material.

I would like to know more about this.

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MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #676 on: March 08, 2016, 02:42:05 PM »
Brad:

There is nothing special about a Tesla coil.

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All the answers have been provided MH--so dont worry to much about your long winded(yet to work out) resonant answers.

I have already stated several times that I am looking for simple answers.  Tell me this time that what I am saying to you is not going to pass right through you like you aren't even there.  I told you that the environmental factors for the maximum speed of a car were factored into what I said in my statement and that passed right through you like you weren't even there.

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The idea behind the resonance thing,is to do this at a greater efficiency--more light,less waste heat.

Give me some reasons why resonance will do this.

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As we know,once we have a resonant situation between the exhaust flow and piston movement/position in a two stroke ICE,the efficiency of that engine can greatly increase--> (simplified explanation). In the case of the ICE resonance,the energy is not being stored,but due to the resonant factor,the energy conversion is at a much higher efficiency.

So what precisely is the "resonant situation?"  Why don't you show a simplified diagram and a timing diagram to explain that to us and explain how it increases efficiency.  I asked Johan the same types of questions and he did not come back and respond.

What is a "resonant factor" in an ICE and how does it improve efficiency?

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tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #677 on: March 08, 2016, 02:59:29 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on March 08, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
Answer these two questions in your own words:

How does a wine glass resonate, what is the mechanism?
How is the resonant frequency of a wine glass determined?

If you can't do it then you don't know what you are talking about.

Gee,your questions change daily MH.
Now it is !how! dose a wine glass resonate,and before it was !how! is the resonant frequency determined for a wine glass.
Before that it was !what! determines the resonant frequency of a wine glass.

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How is the resonant frequency of a wine glass determined?

This has been answered over and over and over--are you dyslexic ?
You measure it.
How is the length of a piece of string determined?
You measure it.
How is the RPM of an ICE determined
You measure it.
How dose a certain food taste
You taste it.

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How does a wine glass resonate, what is the mechanism?

It resonates due to vibrating at it's natural frequency.
That frequency is determined by the crystal structure and purity of the wine glass which give rise to the vibrations.. The stronger, closer,and elasticity of the individual crystal bond's is part of what determines that resonant frequency. There is also the physical dimensions,along with environmental conditions that also play a part in what the resonant frequency will be.

Now-enough with your foolish game's MH ,and enough with the ever changing question's.
I give you until thursday to post your answers to your own question's--and anything after that,you will become the first to go on my block list.
I will see no more of your post,and you will see no more of mine--game ,set and match.
I also have this feeling that you will be added to others block list as well,as you have gone far beyond stupid on this one,and all we have seen from you so far,is mistake after mistake,while you have the audacity to say that we are all wrong,or have no idea as to what we are talking about--and also keeping in mind that you have not answered even one of your own questions--including those you presented to EMJ on his thread.

Thursday MH,and then after that,we are no longer a problem for each other.


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tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #678 on: March 08, 2016, 03:16:09 PM »
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There is nothing special about a Tesla coil.

How well do they work outside a resonant state ?

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I have already stated several times that I am looking for simple answers.  Tell me this time that what I am saying to you is not going to pass right through you like you aren't even there.  I told you that the environmental factors for the maximum speed of a car were factored into what I said in my statement and that passed right through you like you weren't even there.

Post 633 Quote: How do you determine the maximum speed of your car in simple terms?

The answer is the maximum speed of the car is determined from where the maximum horsepower that can be output by the engine is in balance with all of the air friction and various other friction forces.
Your right MH--it has passed right through me,as i do not see all environmental factors included in your post. Can you please show me where they are?,as all i see is maximum HP and frictional factors in that post--> i do not see all environmental factors applied to your summation. :o

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Give me some reasons why resonance will do this.

Many techniques for transmitting power over “mid-range” uses resonance to enhance the efficiency of the energy transfer . But you know this already,so why are you asking questions that you already have the answers to.

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What is a "resonant factor" in an ICE and how does it improve efficiency?

We have done this already MH,and simply not going to do it again.


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MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #679 on: March 08, 2016, 03:19:55 PM »
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This has been answered over and over and over--are you dyslexic ?
You measure it.

That's laughable.  You are doing it again, measuring is not a valid answer, that's just cheating and like the old cliche goes, you are just cheating yourself.

You are still a double fail if you can't answer two simple questions in your own words with two simple answers.
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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #680 on: March 08, 2016, 03:23:23 PM »
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The answer is the maximum speed of the car is determined from where the maximum horsepower that can be output by the engine is in balance with all of the air friction and various other friction forces.
Your right MH--it has passed right through me,as i do not see all environmental factors included in your post. Can you please show me where they are?,as all i see is maximum HP and frictional factors in that post--> i do not see all environmental factors applied to your summation.

Then you answer the question yourself including the environmental factors.  Once you have answered the question "properly" then show me how my statement is incorrect.

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Many techniques for transmitting power over “mid-range” uses resonance to enhance the efficiency of the energy transfer . But you know this already,so why are you asking questions that you already have the answers to.

Earth to Brad:  You were talking about a Joule Thief, not transmitting power.  Please turn off the "stream of consciousness" in your head that jumbles up all of your thoughts up like spaghetti.
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ramset

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #681 on: March 08, 2016, 03:26:37 PM »
HHmm
unless I am really misunderstanding what MH is trying to do here, I think he is showboating ?

your explaining the procedure which is used to experiment [which you do all the time] is not enuff for him
its sorta like when you ask him whats a magnet ??
and he can't answer and he says we don't need to know what it is just how it acts ...

seems like  MH is talking outa both sides of his mouth again.

don't worry about what I do.. just what I say !

Yikes !!
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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #682 on: March 08, 2016, 03:30:54 PM »
Quote from: ramset on March 08, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
HHmm
unless I am really misunderstanding what MH is trying to do here, I think he is showboating ?

your explaining the procedure which is used to experiment [which you do all the time] is not enuff for him
its sorta like when you ask him whats a magnet ??
and he can't answer and he says we don't need to know what it is just how it acts ...

seems like  MH is talking outa both sides of his mouth again.

don't worry about what I do.. just what I say !

Yikes !!

Poor Chet.  Have you noticed any flaws in some of the stuff Brad has had to say?  Oops, I forgot that you love the intense bondage of the straitjacket and the ball gag.  Any balance in your commentary and you would be in serious serious trouble.  Moral bankruptcy is a harsh mistress.
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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #683 on: March 08, 2016, 03:36:53 PM »
Whatsa matter MH
don't like when you get called on your hypocrisy so you resort to nonsense personal attacks ?

how do you work with magnets if you don't really understand them ??

your ever soooo helpful when the shoe is on another foot ...

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MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #684 on: March 08, 2016, 03:49:29 PM »
Quote from: ramset on March 08, 2016, 03:36:53 PM
Whatsa matter MH
don't like when you get called on your hypocrisy so you resort to nonsense personal attacks ?

how do you work with magnets if you don't really understand them ??

your ever soooo helpful when the shoe is on another foot ...

What's the matter with you, Chet?   You explain to us what a magnet *really* is?  You can't?  Whoops, not a single other person on this forum can either, can they?  And yet you want to single me out?  That is the lamest BS you are trying to pull on me.  In your previous posting you played straw-man with me and said I made statements that I didn't make.  Even you, not being technical, can spot Brad's continuous stream of ridiculous gaffes and you say nothing.

You are in a straitjacket and you are casting stones at me like a mindless drone because "forum political correctness" has told you to do it.  Go back and read "The Lottery" and bow your head in shame.
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tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #685 on: March 08, 2016, 03:56:08 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on March 08, 2016, 03:23:23 PM




I can answer the question very easily MH--you drive it as fast as it will go in the environment it is in,and measure the speed--100% accurate.
Using your speed measuring technique,we will never know the answer,as your missing one major environmental factor needed.

MH--do you know what you have missed ?.

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Earth to Brad:  You were talking about a Joule Thief, not transmitting power.  Please turn off the "stream of consciousness" in your head that jumbles up all of your thoughts up like spaghetti.

Guess you missed yet another post,regarding resonant inductive coupling transformers  ::)


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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #686 on: March 08, 2016, 04:01:01 PM »
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  Have you noticed any flaws in some of the stuff Brad has had to say?


Brad--Hey Chet,have you noticed any flaws in what MH has to say?

Chet--No Brad,i have not.

Brad--How can you say that Chet?

Chet--Well because MH has not said anything yet. I will know in 4 to 8 weeks :D
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ramset

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #687 on: March 08, 2016, 04:02:33 PM »
Stop pointing away from yourself

You are ultimately saying here that Brad is clueless (and Smokey too) because of some standard which
You have set ,
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That they could probably resonate hell off its hinges if given the chance ..
Doesn't matter to you.

No you need some standard beyond measurement criteria  ,some higher level of knowledge which
You hold Ransome and flaunt in grandiose self serving pleasure for all to see..
(And for months of time ...you sadist !!)

Bow your head with me....

Putz
And then explain the difference between what they do to resonate (measure)
And what you do with magnets ?

Double putz
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tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #688 on: March 08, 2016, 04:04:02 PM »
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  Even you, not being technical, can spot Brad's continuous stream of ridiculous gaffes and you say nothing.


Chet's going to need a little time MH--maybe 4 to 8 weeks i would think ;)

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tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #689 on: March 08, 2016, 04:06:12 PM »
Quote from: webby1 on March 08, 2016, 03:59:33 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency

Since measuring is not an answer then how can anything be known about the oscillations per time unit?

In short, no frequency can be known without measuring the cycles per time unit unless it is compared to a known value from an item that has that value known,, which is measuring in its own way.

Guess we'll find out in 4 to 8 weeks ;)
MH is going to rewrite physics ::)
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