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Author Topic: Joule Thief 101  (Read 947714 times)

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #780 on: March 10, 2016, 10:01:46 AM »
@ Brad





results = increase in fuel efficiency




neither is resonant between the engine and alternator, engine and water pump, engine and cooling fan, etc.

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while this has little to do with the resonance of the engine itself,
synchronization within the intake/exhaust flows of the ICE, can affect efficiency.
this is defined by the equation for the engines "back pressure".
at too low a pressure, the engine has no torque.
at too high a pressure, the engine backfires.

What is !engine! back pressure?
If you are referring to exhaust back pressure,then you have the last two statements wrong.

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catalytic converters and mufflers are designed with this equation in mind.

I work with exhaust systems every day of the week--it's my job. http://dapcotyreandauto.com.au/
Two stroke and four stroke exhaust systems are totally different in the way they work.
The two stroke exhaust i have already explained.
The exhaust system for a 4 stroke engine that provides maximum performance,is one that has no restriction of flow at all. Cat converters and mufflers that have the least amount of flow restriction,are those that provide best performance.

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using the diameter and length of the exhaust pipe, in certain locations
one can determine the pulse frequency of the exhaust, with respect to the resonant frequency of the pipe.when these two are at a coherent resonant node, the flow of exhaust is least impeded by the force of the engines exhaust.
This adds to the HP equation, during the evacuation stage of the combustion chamber.

This is(and always has been)my point.
These resonant systems within the 2 stroke engine improve both performance and power.

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this is not engine resonance, this pertains to the frequency of the engine, with respect to the resonant frequency of the exhaust system.

Once again--i have never said engine resonance. I have clearly stated resonant systems within a two stroke engine that increase performance and efficiency.
You are saying the same thing as i have said smOKy

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This goes back to my earlier statement, about certain portions of the system being in resonance, but not the system as a whole.
This is more of a synchronization of the engine rpm, with the resonant cavity of the exhaust.
Do you see the difference?

Of course i see the difference--i have stated the difference many times now.
Why are we having this conversation?

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the exhaust may be resonating, but the engine, with respect to the oscillations, and the dimensions of the chamber containing the driveshaft,
is nowhere near its' resonant freq.

I have a feeling smOKy that you have been too busy to read my post.


Brad

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #781 on: March 10, 2016, 10:08:57 AM »
what happens when you poke holes in your cat?

they are not designed for the least amount of restriction.
they are designed for the PROPER amount of restriction.
as defined by industry standards for emissions and noise pollution.
catalysis is a function of air-flow over time.

What I am trying to emphasize here, is that the ICE example only includes partial resonances.

NOT total system resonance, which is a prerequisite for resonant electronic circuits.
For your circuit to be considered "resonant",
It must fit the wine glass analogy.


sm0ky2

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #782 on: March 10, 2016, 10:20:36 AM »
if the switching function operates the ferrite at a resonant frequency,
but does not resonate with secondary impedance of the (battery+transistor || LED) circuit,
The system is not "resonant".

This is the point I am trying to make

Both frequencies must be coherent, for resonant operation.

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #783 on: March 10, 2016, 10:24:25 AM »
This free course study offered by MIT,
will help you understand the number 42

http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-6-008-digital-signal-processing-spring-2011/


minnie

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #784 on: March 10, 2016, 10:41:53 AM »



    Kadenacy!

ramset

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #785 on: March 10, 2016, 10:48:05 AM »
MileHigh said

resonance plays no Part in ICE designs and any body stating  this was Clueless and obviously had no grasp on resonance... .

here is the simplest which any loud mouth clueless Putz should know

cavity resonance engine design

THE BUZZ BOMB


Ignition of the Argus pulsejet was accomplished using an automotive type spark plug located about 76 cm (2.49 ft) behind the intake shutters, with current supplied from a portable starting unit. Three air nozzles in the front of the pulsejet were at the same time connected to an external high-pressure air source that was used to start the engine. Acetylene gas was typically used for starting the engine, and very often a panel of wood or similar material was held across the end of the tailpipe to prevent the fuel from diffusing and escaping before ignition.The V-1 was fuelled by 625 l (165 US gal) of 75 octane gasoline.

Once the engine had been started and the temperature had risen to the minimum operating level, the external air hose and connectors were removed and the engine's resonant design kept it firing without any further need for the electrical ignition system, which was used only to ignite the engine when starting.

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then Johan shares a 2 stroke which works on creating huge output based on similar [cavity resonance and a huge standing wave]
it is not an ancillary resonant system it is a complete resonant design.
which generates a Huge standing wave or ....simply doesn't work [work being defined here as 3-4 hp per cubic inch in a normally aspirated recip  or Over unity from an engineering perspective]

creating this resonant standing wave between the carb intake and the tailpipe end is the holy grail of the design in its entirety .

3 to 4 HP per cubic inch

stop with your moving the goal posts MH

you outright stated that resonance plays no Part in ICE designs and any body stating  this was a BS'r and Clueless and obviously had no grasp on resonance... .


WRONG

don't keep pointing to others... Look at what you said

YOU ARE WRONG ...PERIOD

just like you are completely wrong about your Intimations here that Brad and Smokey are Guru Posers
and clueless about resonance and many other things you try to say

stick to what you know.... you are good at that .

but please stop commenting on things which you are clueless about .

and resonance in mass and how it may effect  energy harvesting is NOT YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE !!
 YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS

ZILCH

but that does not stop you from calling people that do seek anomalies in resonance or resonant Mass
posers and frauds and Nonsensical and Bs'ers  etc etc etc ad nauseum .

you know nothing about it ..just like your ignorant resonance and engine design statement.
but yet you flap your lips with the greatest of ease...

you lost a lot of ground [credibility] in this thread so far.

grab your shovel MH I am quite certain you are not done pointing to others and digging that hole
but one thing I can assure you of

if I was lookin to change this world and seek new energy sources... your two targets here would be way ahead of you on most peoples short list of assets towards that goal.

and yes I know its very easy to throw stones at guys outside the Box

I watch you do it all the time.....

you self righteous PUTZ

Bow your head !!!!!!!





 


tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #786 on: March 10, 2016, 11:16:52 AM »
 author=sm0ky2 link=topic=8341.msg476908#msg476908 date=1457600937]

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they are not designed for the least amount of restriction.
they are designed for the PROPER amount of restriction.
as defined by industry standards for emissions and noise pollution.
catalysis is a function of air-flow over time.

That is correct. But we are not talking about being restricted to industry standard's--we are talking about performance and efficiency.

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what happens when you poke holes in your cat?

Why would you poke holes in you cat,when you can simply fit a high flow cat/
This is the very reason high flow cat's are made--to increase both efficiency and power--we sell them daily.

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What I am trying to emphasize here, is that the ICE example only includes partial resonances

I agree with you on this smOKy-there is no argument from me there.

I will run you by what happened regarding the ICE /resonance thing.
I told MH that the correct timing on an ICE is much the same as a JT type circuit operating at system resonance,where the timing on both have to be correct in order to gain maximum efficiency and power.
Some how MH decided that there was no resonance with regards to ICEs,even though my post was in regards to the timing being correct in both situations,in order to gain maximum efficiency.
I then showed MH that resonant !!!systems!!! do indeed exist in the two stroke ICE.
I never once said that the engine it self was in resonance.

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For your circuit to be considered "resonant",
It must fit the wine glass analogy.

And what is the wine glass analogy smOKy ?--is it MH approved?.

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NOT total system resonance, which is a prerequisite for resonant electronic circuits.

Show me a system(an electrical circuit such as a JT type circuit) where every component of that system operates at it's natural resonant frequency.


Brad

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #787 on: March 10, 2016, 12:00:40 PM »
Brad
while you may never have said the total engine was in resonance
fact is resonance is an integral part of advancements in ICE engine design and the internal combustion engine in its simplest known form [no moving parts] only works due to resonance .the Buzz bomb

Johans engine is a resonant cavity in motion from intake to tailpipe or it doesn't do what it does 3-4 HP per cubic inch "breaks the rules"


MH was completely wrong on this and called you a Clueless Poser for stating it.

we are all witness to that !

Johan_1955

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #788 on: March 10, 2016, 12:05:43 PM »
Good day all:Just wanted to post some very interesting reading material: If you want to really get into the basic mechanisms involved with coil resonance(s), I have attached an U.S. patent from March of 2010 dealing with *double* resonant systems, or as some say 'resonance within resonance'.This is some of the *BEST* reading material I have come across with a plethora of information in one document. You might want to read it a number of times to actually grasp the scope of application........  I believe that this is what applies to the D.S. replication and probably has applications in relation to the Ruslan device as well.I find very interesting the differentiation between L/C resonance and 1/4 wave resonance........  this patent give an iterative development cycle /method (actual steps involved) of combining the two resonances in one coil for the *preferred* results.enjoy........take care, peacelost_bro


Please, read the related patent!?

Johan_1955

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #789 on: March 10, 2016, 12:17:16 PM »



Hey All!!!!!

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

I think I can make it now, the pain is gone
All of the bad feelings have disappeared
Here is the rainbow I’ve been prayin' for
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

MileHigh gettin' into the proto-reggae groove!




ramset

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #790 on: March 10, 2016, 12:20:11 PM »
Johan
that patent would not load for me yesterday
from Lost Bro's post here
 Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

« Reply #12628 on: March 09, 2016, 09:00:45 PM »

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/12615/#.VuFXhHnSldg

anybody else have that problem ??

Johan_1955

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #791 on: March 10, 2016, 12:21:32 PM »
Hey All,I am going to respond to Aaron's kicking me off of the forum, but I promise you that I am not championing a cause or anything.  Just closing the loop.Aaron:  You are so paralyized by fear that it is bad for your mental health.  Anytime anybody has tried to correct you, the proper usage of your scope comes to mind right away, you instantly go on the defensive and will go to almost any length to feign that you were not wrong.  Even when it is very obvious, you stick to your story.  I am telling you, there is something wrong there.  You try to stick to what you think is right, and the proper information almost has to be pounded into your head before you will accept it.  You are acting like a petty despot dictator that is "infallable."  Instead of trying to assimilate the opinions of others that are often more knowledable than you with respect to electronic circuits, you create a shield of defensiveness and hostility around yourself.  The easiest way out when you can't respond to questions to defend your point is to call the other person an idiot.  You are the author of your own misery.You are afraid to admit that you are wrong, Aaron.  You are afraid to demonstrate a willingness to learn from the "other side" and at least give the new information some thought and consideration.  You paint yourself into a corner and are afraid to step on the fresh paint.  To you the fresh paint looks like burning coals.  Why?  WHY?The sroryline of the thread has been like a bad C-grade science fiction movie at times over the past few weeks.  You run like a crazy person from spike to spike to resonance to oscillation, to diode to no diode like a chicken with its head cut off.  Every time you find a new fixation you can sense the tension in the air lest someone disagree with you.Your abject fear makes you make "Twilight Zone" statements like .99, myself, TK, Hoppy, and others are "not qualified" when any person reading the forum would CLEARLY SEE that we do know what we are talking about.  This is such a disconnect from reality that I question your overall makeup as a person.  You are a powder keg of cognitive dissonance.  What the f*ck is going on with you?  On top of that, ANY person with a solid electronics or engineering background could read your postings and look at your clips and quickly come to the realization that you are just slightly past the beginner stage when it comes to electronics.  They would also notice that you are prone to making grand statements about things that you may know the buzz words for, but in fact barely understand what they really mean.  Your pronouncements about various aspects of the circuit are mostly incorrect, and it is beyond me how you make these leaps of faith and continuously push the envelope with respect to your true capabilities.You deleted my last few comments and for all I know you are on a rampage deleting everything else.  You need to chill out and take it easy.  You also need to decide if you are going to up your electronics skills by reading a book or taking a few courses and start trying to engage with people and try to learn from them, or forever be this tragi-comic character pushing the latest electronic "free energy" circuit like some uneducated goon.I am going to do a copy paste of your big posting with your litany of complaints and that will be it.  Let the discussion continue as time progresses.  You can't play the big mean boss anymore threatening to pull the plug anymore and there is nothing that you can do to stop the crosspolination between threads so enjoy the ride.  You are in for a shock when the results come in, it is starting to look a bit like a Sterling-Mylow road show.  Guess whose shoes you fit in?MileHighFrom Wikipedia:Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The "ideas" or "cognitions" in question may include attitudes and beliefs, the awareness of one's behavior, and facts. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors.[1] Cognitive dissonance theory is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.Dissonance normally occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency among his or her cognitions. This happens when one idea implies the opposite of another. For example, a belief in animal rights could be interpreted as inconsistent with eating meat or wearing fur. Noticing the contradiction would lead to dissonance, which could be experienced as anxiety, guilt, shame, anger, embarrassment, stress, and other negative emotional states. When people's ideas are consistent with each other, they are in a state of harmony, or consonance. If cognitions are unrelated, they are categorized as irrelevant to each other and do not lead to dissonance.A powerful cause of dissonance is an idea in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would likely reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of disconfirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.

Johan_1955

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #792 on: March 10, 2016, 12:24:56 PM »
Johan
that patent would not load for me yesterday
from Lost Bro's post here
 Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

« Reply #12628 on: March 09, 2016, 09:00:45 PM »

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/12615/#.VuFXhHnSldg

anybody else have that problem ??


http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20100059692.pdf


Johan_1955

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #794 on: March 10, 2016, 12:28:20 PM »