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exnihiloest

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #450 on: November 26, 2009, 11:48:28 AM »
@exnihiloest:

Call the article pseudoscience if you like.  Articles submitted for peer review are dismissed by the powers that be and are never published if it's not in there best interest. 
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Hi gravityblock

I agree with you. Generally we can trust the most part of articles in peer reviews.

I have not talked about "pseudo-science". This article is real science but it is far from having given proof of a discovery.

I just mean that in this particular case of magnetic monopole, which contradicts all that we knew, more evidence is needed (confirmation by other teams) and particularly because the confusion is possible between a monopole and one end of a long dipole. I discussed this subject on a usenet group with persons having a solid background in physics, and all were very doubtful for the same reason. Imho it is too early to conclude.




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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #451 on: November 26, 2009, 12:03:27 PM »
jankolar:
thank you for your input regarding current calculations please send me more details i am interest to know your experiment and calculation method
I translated my old document to english. Attached are also MATLAB scripts, C programs and files for simulation program PSPICE (i used old program for DOS dont know if old scripts are compatible with new windows versions). It is only mathematical game, didnt try it in reality. Problem in practical realisation is that when going to higher frequencies simple model of transformer as inductance (possibly with resistance and capacitance of winding) is no longer valid. To be correct we must use  distributed model of circuit i.e. decompose all parts of real circuit into infinitesimal small parts. Each inifinitesimal part can be substituted by some wiring of RLC elements. The result for circuit as whole is acquired by integrating equations for such inifinitesimal small parts.

exnihiloest

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #452 on: November 26, 2009, 12:18:45 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_magnet#Magnetic_materials

Ferromagnetic materials can be magnetized in the following ways:
Heating the object above its Curie temperature, allowing it to cool in a magnetic field and hammering it as it cools. This is the most effective method, and is similar to the industrial processes used to create permanent magnets.
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Well I agree that "bullshits" was a bit excessive word, nevertheless we are not in the 19th century, not even in the 20th.
Industrial processes for modern materials (ferrites, NdFeB, alnico) doesn't heat the materials over the curie point. They proceed as I said, by placing them in strong fields.
You can even buy such magnetizer (at least for alnico and magnets not too strong).

 




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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #453 on: November 26, 2009, 02:38:37 PM »
Still nobody explained clearly the requirement of 1/4 wavelength of secondary for entering the passive zone  ::)
I feel , it must be connected to magnetic field, maybe it's 1/4 of the period of oscillations in LC resonant circuit when energy is completely stored with magnetic field ?
Can you point me to the articles explaining exactly what is happening in LC circuit at resonance   ? And I mean where is the energy in each part of period of oscillation , not just equations.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #454 on: November 26, 2009, 05:01:25 PM »
@forest:

Something similar to this thread maybe, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8354.0

The thread could be way off from what Ali is trying to do, just throwing out possibilities.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #455 on: November 26, 2009, 06:52:10 PM »
Can you point me to the articles explaining exactly what is happening in LC circuit at resonance   ? And I mean where is the energy in each part of period of oscillation , not just equations.
In resonance circuit behave as pure resistive (mathematicaly this can be expressed as imaginary_part(impedance)=0) even when containing inductors and capacitors. So there isnt phase shift between current and voltage. Energy of magnetic field of inductor is cyclically transformed to energy of electric field of capacitor and vice versa. So energy source supplies only losses in circuit.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #456 on: November 26, 2009, 09:16:53 PM »
EMDevices:
hi welcome back
after completion of genie circuit we are replacing dimmer from genie input
as a replacement of dimmer i am developing a power supply to provide 40 volts in both polarities on the same line with very low duty cycle. during this process i have develop this new method for power transformation its a transformer where center pole is replaced with as vacuum tube. i am trying to use the properties of passive zone actively. once this section is completed we can make a self running unit.

Forest:

1/4 wave length means completion of one quadrant


magnets create a fields in vacuum but have no frequency so they act like a, living black hole, for there like materials and try to absorb them if you change there polarities quick enough it will create moving charges and if these charges provided proper gate they leave there active zone to passive zone   
proper gate means a conductor equal to the wave length of frequency or 1/2 or 1/4, on each 1/4 wave length energy change its direction
at 1/4 wave length one end of conductor act as negative pole and 2nd end become positive pole and vice versa so every 1/4 time of the frequency a wave dissipate it self and enter in vacuum.
conventional transformers never complete this level so they receive a kick back BEMF.





   




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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #457 on: November 27, 2009, 03:51:42 PM »
@winsonali

What about this tube?

http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Solid%20State%20Components/Tubes/

Click on the the 6d4.pdf.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2009, 08:07:51 PM by wattsup »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #458 on: November 27, 2009, 07:24:16 PM »
wattsup:
wonderful i never knew about such things before
the concept here is almost as i am using with one difference that we are using coils around tube to catch EMF due to high frequency at the closest possible proximity.
you can develop your own Vacuum tubes use glass tube and seal the end using epoxy put a rubber valve in it and suck the air out.
my experiments are going well and just finishing the last bits and pcs how wonderful it could be if overunity.com  can host videos as well.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #459 on: November 27, 2009, 08:06:49 PM »
wattsup:
wonderful i never knew about such things before
the concept here is almost as i am using with one difference that we are using coils around tube to catch EMF due to high frequency at the closest possible proximity.
you can develop your own Vacuum tubes use glass tube and seal the end using epoxy put a rubber valve in it and suck the air out.
my experiments are going well and just finishing the last bits and pcs how wonderful it could be if overunity.com  can host videos as well.

Yes I realize that is what you are doing. Why the hell not. With all that tube plasma activity, there is bound to be some potential to capture around it, in what form I do not know. lol, but as that coil will get loaded, it may then effect the tube function itself.

forest

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #460 on: November 27, 2009, 09:30:52 PM »
hmm,is that related to what Don Smith is doing with plasma globe ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20061019065302/www.altenergy-pro.com/device07.htm

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #461 on: November 27, 2009, 10:28:40 PM »
forest:
yes concept is close enough but we are using proper wave length in passive mode. 

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #462 on: November 27, 2009, 11:12:24 PM »
Forest:

i have a factory where we are producing inverters the inverters that i have designed my self has extended time for battery life if a normal 200amp lead acid drop voltage from 13.8 to 8.8 in 4 hours my designed inverter give you six hours
why and how ?
i am using the factor of lose in transformer as valuable source means hysteresis curve causes loses we are using that as a benefit and switch the Mosfet's with a difference of time that recovers residual magnetic field.current loses are less and time automatically extended
like wise in this system i am completing wave length and here the component of hysteresis is not present if we think the same as mechanical analogy means this system has no reversing magnetic field in a motor so you get only forward drive.
some results i am sharing here for the purpose of analysis

In my inverter of 1 Kwatt if there is no load it draw 0.35amps at 12 volts where as the output is always stay at 220volts , other inverters consume 2.0 amps when there is no load

when we increase load, the secondary coil induce its own EMF in the core, to maintain the balance of power , the primary core starts consuming current Now if we develop some how a system where the change in secondary coil cannot effect the primary coil we will get a lose less system. this is only possible if we capture the EMF in its passive mode in a glass vacuum tube with maximum efficiency. this is my theory i have to proof it with practical

Mechanical analogy
in all motors you have reversing force called lenz force if some how you reduce or eliminate this reversing force means you got more efficient motor.
Bedini's and Joseph Newman's motors are working designs but they cannot sustain load both of them are working on BEMF
this is the problem of understanding BEMF is not energy create is the reversal of unused energy in coil. so they smartly used this energy to charge the other battery but there source energy is consumed, to get the work done they need to put more energy.

you can say the same applied to your system as well

no, i have extra energy
Why? and where?

when the energy cross the boundary of the active zone to passive zone all energy in the same frequency zone present in the air join the game just like in a LC tunning circuit and give you extra power in multiples of 1 to many format.

i wish this system should complete on as soon as possible and this knowledge may lead to many others to produce this energy device.  i am putting all this on the forum  by purpose (if something happens with me) so technology should not stop and continued by all means many other brains are working they can also get the idea may be they can put there input. and even they remember me in there prayers its enough for me.

the same pattern was in the mind of Tesla but he was looking for ionospheric energy.

   

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #463 on: November 27, 2009, 11:48:57 PM »
I see one problem. To go to passive zone you have to match length with 1/4 of wavelength which means oscillations should be in Mhz for possible wire length , right ? That's why we have no lenz-free motors because nobody had it done with many km of wire length.
Now bear with me, I'm not EE - in Mhz range you have EM radiation all over the place from circuit which is wasted energy. Is that correct ?
Tesla said that he never used high frequency, because he wanted conserved electrical energy in LC circuit without EM wasted, yet his output always contained coil of low induction which generated at least hundreds of khz.

I see no other explanation except a few possibilities:

1. There is possibility to use multiply of 1/4 wavelength and also a divisions which means secondary can be short
2. Tesla found another method to put something on secondary to go into passive zone without having  1/4 wavelength , something like antenna which small in size  yet electrically 1/4 wavelength was fulfilled.Is that possible ?
3. He was misleading us and really used high frequency at output to get to passive zone,yet in essential places in circuit he used low frequency (<30khz) to accumulate energy.

Seems that the energy put into passive zone by device is reflected back by ambient source at the same level of power. That's my comprehension of Tesla method though it may be completely wrong.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #464 on: November 28, 2009, 12:31:14 AM »
@forest

I would say very high mhz but most probably in the ghz range.

@winsonali

I am still confused about this active and passive modes.

Can active and passive zones also be equated to Tesla's use of damped and undamped waves and his favor of damped waves that can become recycled, whereas undamped waves can only travel into total consumption zones or passive zones. 

Now in one of your three Genie videos you show that input is about 160 watts and output is about 440 watts over those three light bulbs. So why not just light one bulb and send the rest back to the source and loop it? It seems to me that you already have the answer. Or is the Genie limited to certain non-inductive loads that can react to the output frequency of the device thus dissipating the output energy and not letting any of that output stifle the drive circuit.

I am curious if in your patent you are actually stating any reference to overunity? If so, do you think the Patent office will accept this as such?