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CompuTutor

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #435 on: November 25, 2009, 02:50:16 PM »
100 % agreed with micro volts at antenna

process of PM manufacturing is based on cooling the material slowly/naturally in magnetic environment
once it is cooled to ambient temperature that magnetic force remain there for years

Bullshits. 
PM are made at room temperature from magnetic materials placed in pulsed magnetic fields generated from coils powered with capacitors banks.

Actually, your both right.

Just depends what material your magnetizing,
and what you want from it after it is made.

Both processes are valid and still currently used.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #436 on: November 25, 2009, 03:06:30 PM »
100 % agreed with micro volts at antenna
process of PM manufacturing is based on cooling the material slowly/naturally in magnetic environment
once it is cooled to ambient temperature that magnetic force remain there for years
very simple you cannot define the relationship between energy required to make a permanent magnet and  force available through that magnet over the years how you will explain law of conservation of energy here.

So if you calculate the energy required to make let's say a 1 Tesla Permanent Magnet, then take that magnet and stick it under a horizontal metal plate then add a 1 pound piece of iron to it, then next to this you take an electromagnet that can produce 1 Tesla and stick it under another identical horizontal metal plate and add an identical 1 pound piece of iron to it and measure the energy expended to hold the electro magnet and 1 pound weight in place until the PM losses its power to hold it's piece of iron, we should see that the energy used to make the PM is far less then that expended by the electro magnet.

Would that show overunity, or, would it simply show the difference in inefficiencies of one method over the other given our present state of knowledge. You see, if you find a way to charge the PM in a much more efficient manner, that would tip the scale more in favor of the PM. Inversely, if you find a way to hold that electro-magnet by using a much more efficient recirculating circuit, it would sway the favor to that one.

I personally think that from the beginning, with Faraday and Maxwell, their published measurements already included some overunity provided directly by the ether that is everywhere in space. They just did not know it at the time and all technology has followed in that direction ever since. And, we have never been able to produce an etherless environment to test these otherwise.

But imagine if at that pivotal moment both declared that all electrical systems encompassed let's say 80% of actual applied energy and 20% coming from the ether to both help convey electrons in a conductor, provide the lattice to produce magnetic fields, quench or fill the voids created by expanding and collapsing magnetic fields and provide the medium for these fields or waves to travel in the universe, then or perspective of overunity versus the laws of conservation would not be the same. There is just no way of knowing this because even doing tests in a vacuum will not remove the ether from that space. Maybe in a black hole but who wants to go there. lol

If on the other hand we knew about this overunity presence that is all around us, we would have been working on ways to increase the 20% side and decrease the 80% side, knowing that the 20% phenomenon is in fact a reality. Whereas today, those that believe there is the existence of an omnipresent ether energy are looked upon as crazy wishful thinking madmen.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #437 on: November 25, 2009, 04:04:33 PM »
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Bullshits. 
PM are made at room temperature from magnetic materials placed in pulsed magnetic fields generated from coils powered with capacitors banks.

very simple answer


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_magnet#Magnetic_materials

Ferromagnetic materials can be magnetized in the following ways:
Heating the object above its Curie temperature, allowing it to cool in a magnetic field and hammering it as it cools. This is the most effective method, and is similar to the industrial processes used to create permanent magnets.

there are other method as well

My knowledge is not very good and far more less then other forum members but my temperament and determination to do some thing is very high.


The point is not in how we make magnets

1) the point is amount of energy consumed in making PM vs amount of energy it will release over the years   

2) about ohms law any object with fixed resistance consume fixed power until you do not change voltages

so once again here v=IR or v is directly proportional to current where R is constant

now p = v*I or v = p / I  and when resistance is constant it will consume constant power so here v is inversely proportional to I

i am working to develop methods for under standing and using passive zones where you cannot change the shapes and power  of the signal.

look guys its not necessary that what ever i think is right i am trying to convert my brain waves into practical means failure is mine  success everyone will enjoy.

 
   
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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #438 on: November 25, 2009, 04:08:45 PM »
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If on the other hand we knew about this overunity presence that is all around us, we would have been working on ways to increase the 20% side and decrease the 80% side, knowing that the 20% phenomenon is in fact a reality. Whereas today, those that believe there is the existence of an omnipresent ether energy are looked upon as crazy wishful thinking madmen.

wattsup:
very well said this is where we need to do brain storming a single small clue may lead the change in our living style.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #439 on: November 25, 2009, 04:41:55 PM »
GravityBlock:

i will invite senior selected members of this forum after completion of my current work

but here is some more brain waves might help understanding combination of electrical charges and  magnetic fields

for wave propagation in passive zone we need at least quarter of the size of wave length

if you make a transformer equal to the  quarter of the wave length of frequency you will get passive power in active zone  that is 1 to many format without power lose there are many mechanical analogies for this...







 
 
« Last Edit: November 25, 2009, 05:09:55 PM by winsonali »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #440 on: November 25, 2009, 05:47:11 PM »
@exnihiloest:

Call the article pseudoscience if you like.  Articles submitted for peer review are dismissed by the powers that be and are never published if it's not in there best interest.  Same thing with patents being rejected for "National Security and other similar reasons". 

Gravity is a monopole force that works in attraction mode only.  A magnet and metal piece is a monopole force that works in attraction mode only.  There's evidence all around us that point to monopole forces. 

The knowledge we have of the universe is very small.  There are a lot of inconsistencies with our currently accepted theories.  We only have theories on what gives matter it's mass, thus the LHC looking for the theoretical higgs boson which makes up the higgs field.  97% of the known universe appears to be missing, thus the dark energy/matter.

Currently accepted theories says what we're trying to do on this forum is not possible, even though it is very far from being complete and accurate without all the inconsistencies.  Maybe if they looked into the direction of the impossible instead of only looking into the directions of what they consider possible, then we may have more complete and accurate theories.  So, why do you look to them for all the answers.  This forum should be based on fringe science based on observations of others and thinking outside the box.

Actually there is no such thing as a "North or South Pole" according to wikipedia.  It says North and South Poles should only be used as a reference point for the different ends of the magnets.  You really have to read between the lines in what is published anywhere including academic books in universities..

A static charge has no magnetic field, but when it moves it does have a magnetic field.  I will assume the static charge has a magnetic charge and has nothing to reach out to and the monopole field stays inside the charge.  When the electric charge moves, the monopole charge lags behind by 90 degrees.  This causes the monopole field to reach out to the other side forming a dipole field.  This is the reason for the magnetic charges carrying the magnetic fields.

A possible reason for electrons inducing their own magnetic fields is due to them having a magnetic charge or a monopole field contained within them.  Physicist has yet to figure out how electrons induce their own magnetic fields, so we are left to assume.  We haven't been able to do this by using a dipole field, so a monopole field is a good candidate.   This is my best assumption based on linking observations together.  It is better to assume and try to prove those assumptions correct with experiments, than to make no assumptions and do nothing.

Go take your currently accepted incomplete inconsistent non-pseudoscience somewhere else.  It will do us nothing here "as is".  It should be used as a guide only in addition to fringe science and theories in order to piece the entire puzzle together.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2009, 07:31:54 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #441 on: November 25, 2009, 06:40:01 PM »
GravityBlock:

i will invite senior selected members of this forum after completion of my current work

but here is some more brain waves might help understanding combination of electrical charges and  magnetic fields

for wave propagation in passive zone we need at least quarter of the size of wave length

if you make a transformer equal to the  quarter of the wave length of frequency you will get passive power in active zone  that is 1 to many format without power lose there are many mechanical analogies for this...







 
 

Give us those analogies please. I still cannot grasp the idea behind 1/4 wavelength   :-[

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #442 on: November 25, 2009, 06:51:14 PM »
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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #443 on: November 25, 2009, 07:16:48 PM »
for wave propagation in passive zone we need at least quarter of the size of wave length

if you make a transformer equal to the  quarter of the wave length of frequency you will get passive power in active zone  that is 1 to many format without power lose there are many mechanical analogies for this...

A few years ago i calculated conditions in simple circuit with transformer and RC elements on primary and secondary side. At first I have used classical differential equations, nothing strange happened. For the second time I have used differential equations with time delay between primary and secondary. These types of equations are quite difficult to solve so numerical methods are used extensively. Result was that secondary current rised to infinity. I checked all my calculations and found no error. But trying to decreasing time delay lower and lower current waveform was always different than classical solution (not accounting any time delay). So i dont know what would happen in reality when delay between primary and secondary is increased...

Another though occured to me in this context. Hungary man named Janos Vajda suggested way how to get energy from wave fields. The key is that energy density in any point of field is proportional to square of intensity. So after interference of two waves there can be energy gain or even energy loss (it all depends on frequencies of waves and phase differences). Dont know if this principle was practically used in some type of device. More info here : http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp.htm

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #444 on: November 25, 2009, 07:33:18 PM »
In fact if you go to atomic level and even lower you find that every electron has its own magnetic field due to inherent spin. For quantum physicits spin is only mathematical abstraction but i believe that electron is very fast rotating particle. This would explain its own magnetic field with classical conception (at least qualitatively). My conception is that space is filled with omnipresent aether and elementary particles are some types of vortices of this hypothetical fluid which is similar in properties to ideal fluid (zero viscosity). Strange that superfluid helium (which is fluid with zero viscosity!) express its quantum properties also on macroscopic scale when set to rotation. Maybe physicists should more concentrate on ultra-low energies instead of building such extra challenging projects like LHC (not saying that this is useless).
A static charge has no magnetic field, but when it moves it does have a magnetic field.  I will assume the static charge has a magnetic charge and has nothing to reach out to and the monopole field stays inside the charge.  When the electric charge moves, the monopole charge lags behind by 90 degrees.  This causes the monopole field to reach out to the other side forming a dipole field.  This is the reason for the magnetic charges carrying the magnetic fields.

A possible reason for electrons inducing their own magnetic fields is due to them having a magnetic charge or a monopole field contained within them.  Physicist has yet to figure out how electrons induce their own magnetic fields, so we are left to assume.  We haven't been able to do this by using a dipole field, so a monopole field is a good candidate.   This is my best assumption based on linking observations together.  It is better to assume and try to prove those assumptions correct with experiments, than to make no assumptions and do nothing.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #445 on: November 25, 2009, 07:40:12 PM »
for wave propagation in passive zone we need at least quarter of the size of wave length

if you make a transformer equal to the  quarter of the wave length of frequency you will get passive power in active zone  that is 1 to many format without power lose there are many mechanical analogies for this...
You must go to higher frequencies for your device be small enough. Grid frequency 50 Hz has wavelength about 6000 km. High frequencies demands another materials for coil core with narrow hysteresis curve.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #446 on: November 25, 2009, 10:04:49 PM »
jankolar:
thank you for your input regarding current calculations please send me more details i am interest to know your experiment and calculation method

i am using 2.4Ghz ISM band frequency and enclosed in a vacuum tube this vacuum tube is surrounded by coils
the vacuum is producing a passive medium and 1/4 wave length making a complete cycle as active zone on 4th propagation, loads are connected as per the frequency we require when the cycle is completing it deliver no reversing power. it is more like a high frequency modulation but once we convert them in our required form we are happy happy.
just think in a transformer the center core is replaced with a vacuum tube.

although i am not supposed to give the above information but its in the interest of everyone so i am putting it up.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #447 on: November 25, 2009, 10:23:07 PM »
Gravity Block:


Now we need to just proof our brain waves with practicals.
please be prepare to visit me and see the work by yourself i will be more then happy to share my work with you.




 
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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #448 on: November 26, 2009, 06:13:23 AM »
Hi Ali,  I have not been here in a while.  Have you disclosed more information?  Why are you talking about wavelengths now and vacuum tubes?  Just curious.
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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #449 on: November 26, 2009, 11:20:46 AM »
Ali, Ali you have not heard about law of energy conservation? Yes you can have 100s of receivers but signals on input antennas are very small typically microvolts. Also there is feedback between receiver and transmitter similar to coupling between secondary and primary side of transformer (Lenz law).
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Not exactly. When the hertzian wave quits the antenna, energy from the transmitter is radiated and becomes independant of the transmitter. The energy is carried by the electric and magnetic fields of the electromagnetic wave.
Then energy can be recovered from the EM field by receivers. The recovered energy can be no more than that radiated from the transmitter. Your are right when you say that receivers needs only an infinitesimal part of the radiated energy, so in practice we can put as many receivers as we need.
But there is no feedback. There is feedback only in the near field zone (i.e. at a distance of the order of the wave length). In the near field, transmitter and receiver act as generator and charge, connected to a primary repectively secundary of a transformer, and Lenz law applies like you said. Nevertheless this case is not the usual case in which radio transmitters are used.
At a distance of several wave lengths and beyond, the wave constitute an independant electromagnetic wave which is no more related to the source. The receivers can recover some pW to mW from these waves and the rest of energy is radiated in space or wasted in the resistance of bad conductors like the soil.
In any case, energy is conserved. The energy provided to the transmitter is radiated and available in the EM field, with the constraint that when receiver antennaes are near one another they cannot recover as much energy as if they were alone. The field in space near a receiver antenna is reduced due to the energy used by the receiver or wasted in its input resistance, and taken from the ambiant field (every one can verify it by placing 2 AM radios near one another with ferrite antennaes tuned to the same frequency). Thus we see that even from a theoretical viewpoint a huge number of receivers multiplied by the energy that each one gets, could never exceed the radiated energy.