Omega:

please read the old posts all the answers are there if things are so simple things must have been done by everyone here. my system needs below zero voltages to generate siphon effect. a simple DC input will not work here we need alternating currents..
is a design requirement

I hope you are not that dumb. DC measurements don't mean you operate your device on DC. You missed the point of it all ?

DC power measurement means that you start with a DC power source as input, measure the DC volts and amps, convert that to AC, feed your device with that AC, generate AC power, convert that back into DC and measure DC volt and amps at the output. In this way you get the most reliable measurements. Calorimetric measurements are next step after that.

You call it "stabilizer" now , instead of power saver ? Now I highly doubt you have anything.

OMEGA:
oh i got it now i never give it a second thought that we can do this

convert AC into DC

then measure there the power

convert into AC again

feed it to genie

ok thats a good way of checking
really i am dumb that its so simple and i didn't get it? ( some times things are in front of you and you can't see them)


i call it stabilizer to avoid unnecessary arguments of OV, a lot of scams are out there claiming energy saving i didn't want to be in the same line.
I prefer to start finalizing the product as voltage stabilizer so i can start manufacturing and selling it in near future we will market this product in third world countries. if some body use our line conditioner , digital stabilizer and can save electric bill without tempering the power meter i am more then happy
 
what ever the circuit i designed it has  uniqueness 

or may be you are right i didn't have anything, circuits like this are available from electronic kit shops
all those people argued to me so far have offered some thing to me in terms of learning because the ideas are backed with some knowledge i don't mind what ever you are saying i haven't done anything in last three months, oscilloscope needs money, DC measurements are cheap , if something is there i am sitting on mountain of money......

well one thing is for sure, soon i will send circuit diagram to some of the members of this forum .... who i found to be very honest and looking for humanity...like teslaalset, Fatbird, robbie...... this may help them in some of there projects

i am waiting for the links of article or paper discussing methods that can effect power meters (slowing down)
1 = In every home we are using dimmers for lights, are they fooling power meters?
2 = Power meter cannot read loads with chopped AC is it true?
3 = digital power meters are not accurate when the load is chopped AC? (every home have dimmers for fan or lights)
4 = Disc meters is an old technology can be fooled with high frequency?( all computer power supplies use high frequency)

try this at home a very simple test
use a dimmer get the power to lowest level where it glow the bulb at min.
take the power meter reading
connect in parallel a step up transformer and connect a bulb to it where it glows again with full brightness   
take the power  reading if goes slow then all your assumptions are right and if  it goes faster then think i must have developed something good...

you are thinking logically

if i have something why i am still no where? don't worry i have achieved some good mile stones...
   
thanks and regards
   
Ali


 
   
 

Maybe the most simple way to prove energy gain is to use two traditional energy meters as used in Ali's first video ( the one with the turning wheel moved by eddy currents)
One measuring the input power consumption, the other measuring the power consumed at the output (between output of the genie and the light bulbs)

At the end I, as a consumer, would be interested in my energy bill.
For now my energy bill is depending on such traditional power meter.

This basically is already shown in Ali's first video.
The only thing missing is a power factor meter at the input. This would complete the setup.

I see WinsonAli is a honest person, and his actitude is humble when getting confronted with skepticism. He will make it eventually to finish his endeaver. I look forward to being able to purchase one of his Genies when they are on the market. Me too, in my country, we are dependent on the disc meter to pay our untility bill! If there is anything that can help me and my clients to save on the electricity bill then, that Genie is a good genie.
Right on, Ali. Go ahead. We are with you.

i am waiting for the links of article or paper discussing methods that can effect power meters (slowing down)

Here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_meter#Tampering_and_security

Quoting some essential lines from this source:
"Rectified DC loads cause mechanical (but not electronic) meters to under-register. DC current does not cause the coils to make eddy currents in the disk, so this causes reduced rotation and a lower bill.

Some combinations of capacitive and inductive load can interact with the coils and mass of a rotor and cause reduced or reverse motion."

Compare this with what EMDevices said somewhere at the beginning of this thread. And there are also ways how to fool digital wattmeters. Every digital wattmeter has its bandwith. Lets say its 1MHz. Then sample frequency must be minimum of 2 MHz (Nyquist theorem). The consumed power is calculated in this way: (see attachment - N must be sufficiently large for nullifying effect of coils & capacitors in circuit.). So if spectrum of input signal contains components with frequency >1 MHz, the digital wattmeter data will be distorted. We cant judge if this is the case with Genie because we dont have circuit diagram, also osciloscope shots would be helpful. Analyzing informations from last video it seems that output voltage and current readings are RMS and PF close to 1 (because U*I = 245 * 0.78 = 191.1W which is very close to wattmeter reading around 185W) because of pure resistive load. High current on input (5.07A) is probably caused by reactive components in circuit (i.e. capacitors).
My view is that we deal with some sort of measurement error. Compare subsequent lowering of OU factor when using precisely measurement devices (154/45 = 3.42; 176/96 = 1.83 and now only 185/140 = 1.32).

Jan,
I share you thoughts on a possible measurement flaw.
I looked again to the first demo video. What is shown is the below circuit if I am not mistaken.
The light bulb right behind the dimmer is showing dimmed light, but this indicates only that low voltage is applied. The actual amount of consumed current can not be concluded this way.

So, I guess what we really want to know is the real RMS input current.
Because only in the chopped voltage time slots current is consumed, the current waveform is also chopped. To measure this with a true RMS meter is tricky because these have been designed to cope with full sinus periods presumably.

Best way to know the current consumption is to put a 1 Ohm power resistor in series with the input power line and then measure the voltage using an oscilloscope. (carefull with the neutral!)
From the shape and the amplitude of the measured current the true RMS current value can be calculated.
To confirm a Power Factor of 1.0 in parallel the input voltage shape (and phase) should be measured with the same oscilloscope, e.g. channel B, while measuring the power of the 1 Ohm resistor. Be very carefull with the way you connect the probes!!

quick reply

it may be due to reading flaw that meters are running slow, digital meters cannot read accurately chopped inputs

the causes are defined in wiki pages, DC loads mis lead meter readings, chopped AC loads mislead meter reading,

high frequency mis lead meter reading .....

every SMPS have DC load and high frequency, every induction motor have coils and capacitor they increase meter speed not slowing them down.


  i accept there is flaw in power meter readings and there is nothing in my circuit. This is a simple step up function for voltage.

i am happy with your conclusions
if my product can stabilize AC and can contribute electric bill reduction in all legal way i am happy


   

Example of how to measure AC voltage & current with an oscilloscope attached.

I don't think Ali plays a game. He is learning what is happening.
We help him reflecting his results.

p.s. this circuit was already posted in reply #63 of this thread,I found out after posting this one.
Sorry, the honour goes to EMdevices.....