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sm0ky2

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #375 on: August 05, 2009, 08:29:44 AM »
i dont think a photo of mine would be much help.
as it is pieced together out of 'stuff', looks like a mess....

best way to describe this, is just straighten a bunch of paperclips,(or any other soft iron) and stick them in the ground, slightly spaced out from one another. and connect the top ends together.

this is your negative lead.

then a copper wire/pipe/sheet as the positive lead.

the more 'probes' you have from the negative, the more current is captured.

my experimentation with multiple copper (positive) leads did not show any increase,

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #376 on: August 05, 2009, 08:49:16 AM »
Smokey:

This is interesting as I have never tried multiple neg. electrodes.  I actually have two positive electrodes on my set-up now (for about 1.5 years now) and I got an increase in both volts (not much ) and mA's. (pretty decent increase)

I have always been a fan of more mass/surface area for more amps and by increasing the area of my positive side, that is what I got.  Now I wish I had like 5 magnesium blocks on my neg. side after seeing your report.  I have much more mass than you do with my set-up yet, you have not that much less mA's than I have. (I average about 19 at this time)  I am going to have to try this approach.

What if you had 1,000 paper clips out there?  2,000?  I believe you can solder to a paper clip right so the hook-up would not be that hard to do.  I would like to hear Jim's view on this.

Thanks for posting this Smokey.  This is not something I have seen before in my experiments and would have missed.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #377 on: August 05, 2009, 08:59:44 AM »
@ kamax,

I can see you have come up against the "capacitive" effect which you are able to drain off all the "energy" within your cell.

I have seen this with my own setups here, you are not alone bro.

This is how I think what is occurring.

When the earth cell has no load, it accumulates its energy (it is very small), then the cell is charged, and I think more and more this occurs with telleric earth currents, and Galvanic action as well.

I you stick a tiny load (a LED) across the cell, the cell discharges its energy, the LED fades, then goes out. The cell is now disconnected because it has no energy, it then begins to refill, when it has reached a threshold, it begins to discharge once again.
The lower the resistance placed across the cell, the faster it will recharge and discharge, but when a resistance is too great, the process stops, as the energy cannot replenish the cell quickly enough.

If you keep the same test LED and move it to a physically larger earth cell, you will see it will light up brighter, and probably it will stay on.

I make new cells with different copper size. The first is with a very small copper pipe but it stop working after some minutes, the led blink always more slow and stop. If i open/close the circuit the led restart to blink but slow down again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swN1prrb5hs

And here is another version with a bigger copper pipe into. The led blink faster and run for ~2h now without any slow down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAjjxcs1E20

In each setup it works only with one cell :)
You are doing excellent work with your experimental EER cells, keep going, it's worth it.

I will take a look at your videos shortly, it was washing day for me, so half the day had house chores, lol.

Jeanna, I have managed to see a couple of your videos, the NS cell setup and the scope, this is very good stuff.
Well done.

I think I fixed a dog barking problem next door, had to prop some roofing iron sheets, against the fence, the dog can't see me now, so he don't bark. GOOD.
It would be better if the thing went away, triple good then.

Next announcement is a biggie, another breakthrew.
  ;D

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #378 on: August 05, 2009, 09:15:56 AM »
@ Bill, my positive side is already pretty massive.

its made of three 6-inch square copper sheets.

it would take a lot more tiny paperclips to match that.

this may be why adding more to the pos. doesnt change much for me.

im still trying to figure out the logistics of connecting that many paperclips,.. right now im just tediously wrapping them around bare wire, like piano-keys. bit of a pain, but its worth the payoff.

one idea i had was to just stick them all in the ground, then 'weave' a wire around them all... i may give that a try

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #379 on: August 05, 2009, 09:19:45 AM »
@ ALL

Making a SERIES EER earth cell bank.

OK I have been thinking, is it possible to connect a BANK of EER cells up to another BANK of EER cells.

What is going to happen if I attempt to connect two completly different EER Banks together, to make a bigger output.
Will I get sparks, will the voltage get higher, or lower, or would the EER banks just stop working.

Theres only one way to find out, DO IT. :D

So after I took the washing in, (I fold it and put it away Jeanna, but I'm highly allergic to the hot clothes iron, only exception is a soldering iron), like a good bloke  ;D , I then went outside and made a series electrical EER Bank connection.

Gess what, no sparks, then looking at my meter, whackkkkkoooooo, the voltage rose up toooooooo     9 volts

The   7 series copper cells puts out 2.46 volts DC
The 12 series ally cells puts out 6.54v DC

Together they put out 9.12 volts DC

1st video = Trimmed plastic bags around the 12 series Ally cells, showing voltage 6.54 on my DMM

2nd video = shows the combined EER Banks = 9.12 volts

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #380 on: August 05, 2009, 09:32:20 AM »
Video 2
The SERIES Connected EER Banks of cells...... IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO.

OK here are the details.

There are two separate EER cell banks

The left bank consist of 7 cells, these are Copper outer jackets with Zinc center electrodes.

The right bank consists of 12 cells, with Aluminium outer jackets with Copper inner electrode.

The funny thing is this, the 7 cells are POSITIVE to the earth
The Aluminium is NEGATIVE to the earth

But I can combine them in a SERIES configuration, without fear of sparks, or shorting out, they still work OK.

See the video below, my first series connected EER energy bank, making a total of 19 cells, using different metals to do it.

jim
 

sm0ky2

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #381 on: August 05, 2009, 10:34:59 AM »
dont be afraid of sparks.

sparks from an earth battery is never a bad thing.

thats a sign of POWER.

i can only hope to have sparks one day....

good work on 9V

now what you do is make 50 of those 9v set-ups, and connect them in parallel !!!!

electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #382 on: August 05, 2009, 10:51:50 AM »
@ sm0ky2

Thanks for the advice smokey, all experience is needed here.

@ electricme

its funny, you have been going for volts, and i have been going for amps..

so allow me to shed my experience

to increase the amperage, simply connect all the (-) terminals together, and all the (+) terminals together.

you can do this with the first (-) and last (+) of several sets of series-linked tubes, and you will have both Volts and Amps.

and thus 'usable power'.

hope this helps

I have thought about this, but I simply don't have enough cells to try it out just at the moment, but it is on the agenda for sure.

Keep up the experimenting smoke  ;)

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #383 on: August 05, 2009, 11:01:01 AM »
@ Jaenna,

Hold onto your straw hat, I will hook up a scope in a few minutes and we shall see the waveforms, but first I will have to hook up a extension lead.
Wow you guys kept busy after I turned in last night.
@jim,
That is a great test you did.
I didn't look at all the videos yet, but I think you did not do scope shots.
I would like to see them.
Even if you think they are garbled.
Maybe someone else has the same garble?
Or what if it is very unusual and tells us something?
So, please do a scope shot and upload one a day for the days you are home.

You can leave the probes ready to clip on and turn the scope on taks a pic and that is it.

@DreamTB, Good info.
Sorry about the worm farm.

@Sm0ky2
That is interesting.
I am glad for the experimentation.
I got a couple of ideas from it, thanks.

I took a bunch of scope shots this morning.
And one movie.
I hope you aren't all movied out.
It is very short because I left it in avi format so you don't need to use quicktime. I think you can just watch it?
Please let me know.
It is hard to make it short enough on my 5Mpx camera without compression. So here it is.
1 second short:

jeanna

I never get movied out  :D just make em a little longer than half a second ha ha.

@DreamTB,
same here, about the worm farm, mabe they need a bigger shock lol.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #384 on: August 05, 2009, 12:14:29 PM »
@Jeanna

Here is a few photos for you, they are of my EER waveforms.

1265 = I have a LED across the 9v EER series cells, this it turns out is causing this waveform

1268 = Here we can see a still shot of both my scopes, Left scope shows the waveform of the Series cells, comparing to the 8inch disc EER.

1269 = After I remove the LED, BOTH waveforms are the same.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #385 on: August 05, 2009, 12:25:43 PM »
OK All.
Here are the tiny weiny videos

This one shows the voltage and the waveforms
At the moment I have a LED being lit up by 9 volts and it is bright, but not very bright, but it is distorting the waveform.

The small scope screen displays the Series connected EER bank.
The Right scope screen displays the 8 inch round EER unit.

Remember there is a LED on this circuit

jim



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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #386 on: August 05, 2009, 12:28:53 PM »
Here is Video 2

Which explains it a little bit more easier.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #387 on: August 05, 2009, 12:32:11 PM »
Last one for the night, Video 3

I have removed the LED off the series EER cells.

Both scopes now show identical waveforms.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #388 on: August 05, 2009, 01:31:10 PM »
Wow nice work all. I have some things to report but work has kept me so busy. Anyway keep up the great work!


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #389 on: August 05, 2009, 06:42:26 PM »
Hi, i just have done a new cell with cement in a empty candle. It looks like i get more power from this that from earth. But more the cement become dry, less mA i get. The cement is a fast one, it need only 2min to be hard, the pictures and the video are taken only some minutes after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYE78rfkBT4