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Pirate88179

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #345 on: August 04, 2009, 07:17:38 AM »
Smokey:

Hey, 7 mA's is getting up there, nice job.  Yes, the modified Fuji circuit is a quasi JT circuit.  It is made frm a disposable Fuji camera.  But, you have to look back on this topic, or the diagrams topic where Jeanna tells how to tell the various circuit boards apart from looking at the outside of the camera.

Any decent basic JT circuit should work with your number there.  Again, the Instructables JT works well as well as others in the beginning of the JT topic.  But, you are getting some light so, you are way ahead of where I was back in the start of all this.  If you popped a supercap and a JT (hand wound like the basic JT) into your circuit, your led would be on 100%.  (not really, it will LOOK like it is on 100% but in reality it is flashing on and off so fast, the eyes can't tell.)

Others can jump in here but, you are on the correct track in my opinion.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #346 on: August 04, 2009, 07:48:19 AM »
@ Everyone,

Another break through with proof.  ;D
ELECTRICAL CELL LEAKAGE it seems I have managed to stop most of it. :D

Yesterday I "planted" some 12 aluminium outer metal tubes, I used Copper pipe as the positave.

This morning, I and my trusty multimeter took a walk down cell lane  ;D

I next did a series of individule cell voltage checking, then I did a series cell check, gradudually clipping each cell positave to its next cell negative.

As I proceeded, I noticed the slight increase of voltage, but a reduction occurred at each connection.
I could not get a full voltage out as I expected with this ally EER cell battery setup, wouuuu is me. :( :( :(

OK I got 12 cells here, so I split them up, beginning from cell 7 to 12. ;)
Taking each cell out of the ground in turn and giving them a nice plastic bag to be comfy in and put each cell back in the earth, exactly where they came from originally.

Each cell individually retained its own voltage, then I connected them (cells 7-12) in series and whackoooo the voltage came up to expected voltage.
                                             ;D ;D ;D


It is reading 3.34-35  volts compared to the same ones I did not modify with the plastic bags, their voltages remained the same , MUCH LOWER.

So some of the answer is to completly block off the bottom of each tube as well as the sides.

After posting this and the small videos, I will go and do the same to the rest of the Ally Tubes, 1-6. ;D

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #347 on: August 04, 2009, 07:54:21 AM »
VIDEO TIME folks

0278.3gp
Using a sledge hammer to pound the first aluminium cell outers into the prepared ground.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #348 on: August 04, 2009, 08:01:41 AM »
VIDEO 2

The Ally EER cells are now ready, the DMM is connected to it and I poor water around and into the cells, oops e dazy, too much water got splashed.
You can see the meter reading start to rise then go down.

The next 2 videos supply the answer, and its'nt too much water, he he.
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #349 on: August 04, 2009, 08:08:04 AM »
Jim:

Another great discovery from downunder!!!!

I would think you would be concentrating on staying warm, ha ha.  So, total insulation/isolation seems to be the key?  Have you tired any of these same tubes out of the ground (on a table for example) for a control to compare?

Somehow, I think the magnetic/telluric currents are getting through your insulation enough to produce your results.  If you think about it, plastic does not stop a magnet from sticking to something so.....this could be really big Jim.

Once again, the General takes us another step forward!

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #350 on: August 04, 2009, 08:10:02 AM »
Video 3

Well wasn't the last something, the voltage went up then fell off, hmmmm.

OK  I setup a controlled experiment, the first cells 1 to 6 I did not mofify
The cels from 7 to 12 received some new plastic shopping bags.

The series voltage from the cells 1 to 6 = 1.846 volts
The series voltage from the cells 7 to 12 = 3.35 volts  just over .5 volt per cell.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #351 on: August 04, 2009, 08:13:42 AM »
VIDEO 4 da last one

Just another one similar to the previous, a little bit betta


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #352 on: August 04, 2009, 08:27:40 AM »
@ Bill,
Thank you, I thought I would reply before I take the 1 to 6 cells out, I willtry what you suggest and take a photo of this.
 
Jim:

Another great discovery from downunder!!!!

I would think you would be concentrating on staying warm, ha ha.  So, total insulation/isolation seems to be the key?  Have you tired any of these same tubes out of the ground (on a table for example) for a control to compare?

Somehow, I think the magnetic/telluric currents are getting through your insulation enough to produce your results.  If you think about it, plastic does not stop a magnet from sticking to something so.....this could be really big Jim.

Once again, the General takes us another step forward!

Bill

Staying warm is a key, ha ha concentrating and moving around keep me warm, he he.

You are up nice and early Bill, are you getting ready to go metal tube and plastic bag hunting?

OK, I'm going back to making discoveries, see you all shortly, then its readup from last night.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #353 on: August 04, 2009, 09:01:58 AM »
@All

At Bills personal request, ;) here is the result of this experiment.

1258.jpg = The cells out of the earth/ground, laying on plastic shopping bags,
                 they are series connected = 3.099v DC
1289.jpg = Cells 1 to 7 are 3.099v DC      Cells 7 to 12 are 3,37 v DC

1260.jpg = All cells back in the earth, very untidy bags, hmmmmm

OK, lets see what a PVC pipe with a end cap arrangement on each end can dooooo. but that is for another time, I have a lot of PVC out side, but got to think a-bit more about it first.

jim 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #354 on: August 04, 2009, 09:16:30 AM »
EER Battery, 2 more videos folks

This is just for the Pirate who has a great heart  ;)

The cells 1 to 7 are out on plastic bags, the cells 7 to 12 are in the ground IN their plastic bags.

For those who are visually sensitive about seeing plastic bags used here in this way, GET OVER IT, this is an INVENTER at work, inventions by their very nature use inappropiate materials thet were designed for different purposes.
To sooth your jangled nerves, in due time I will remove them and use something else

           EEEEEEHHHHAAAARRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #355 on: August 04, 2009, 09:29:47 AM »
@ ALL

OK here is the Last Video, final result is, I am getting 6 + volts DC out of these cells, a first for me.

It appears every cell does need to be insulated, not only from each other, but from leakages of the earth resistance between each cell.

So far my own investigations prove this, without any doubt, now the door is opened to electrical energy using a series cells, the next thing is for everyone to REPLICATE, make their own setups.

The usage of different materials, insulation's, metals for electrodes, size does seem to matter.
Small setups equate to small outputs.
Larger setups in size mean more GRUNT, the elusive GRUNT as amps.

Enjoy it folks

jim
   

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #356 on: August 04, 2009, 11:58:50 AM »

@ Jeanna

" When you said keep them coming you are paying attention was that to me? "

You said that to me girl...and thanks for showing interest in my wacky idea.


" You read my mind? or did I say I was thinking nobody really wanted to see them? "

Actually, its scary but I think you and me are nearly the same thought wave length.


" I am consistently seeing from 2.25Mhz to 2.5Mhz
It is like fractals the wave repeats itself at different resolutions.

The final closest resolution the wave usually undulates.
But not every day."

Its almost like the pulse of a living entity...which would not surprise me at all.

" I may post a pic here to show the 2.2-5 Mhz of the wave. This is the little spikes I am thinking we can magnify with inductors. I doubt if either Stubblefield or Tesla were doing that, but youneverknow! "

That is also my sense of it.


" This is from today. No stubblefield so no coils at all, just the cu zn probes. The scope doesn't see a wave at this resolution but it is about 22Khz . I am talking about the big carrier wave. But this is the wave being carried.
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And another one from today.
This had the basic C+ and Zn- but at each end I appended a NS coil. OOO cool."

I'm afraid my technical understanding remains at the instinctual level, due to some huge irons I have in the fire.

I wish I had the time to grow with the gang...but I have to be content to pick up a little here and there as time permits for now.


@ Jim

What did I tell you...you are no doubt among the greats in this field.

To me it seem the earth/planet seems to have a desire to flow its energy into a void...so I would try sealing your cell in a plastic soda bottle in soil that is barely moist, not wet.

A little dryer than the soil its planted in.


There is so much great lateral thinking happening all over this site right now, I know success is not far off.
 
Regards all...


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #357 on: August 04, 2009, 12:01:04 PM »
@cosmicfarmer,

Arrrr I like it ha ha ha, clever wabbit  ;D
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Thanks for the warm welcome, Electricme.

Its not cheese being made in the moon, its Mochi :-)  I have a pet rabbit up there pounding away...

 galvanic IMHO. Still amazing, but people will want to hook huge loads to it and get disappointed when it doesn't work.
stubblefield coils...  How were they wound?
Cheers!
I think with hooking up a heavy load to my setup, it would only work  if the electrodes were huge to enormous.

Galvanic, yes I believe it is so, but as Jeanna has said there seems to be a mixture of components here. When I use a scope to look at the earth electrical activity waveforms, all I see is confusion. I haven't seen what my current EER cells are showing, but I suspect it would be very similar.
 
Stubblefield Cells, lol, now this is about the most important question people have asked at times (see the stubblefield threads), As far as I know, no originals exist, but there must be one in a dusty attic or shed some where.
 
Now, if you come across an original stubblefield cell, please make a video of it, turning it end over end, slowly and round.
Then mount it and very carefully dismantle it taking note of everything you see about it.

If anyone reading this knows they might have a funny looking, very old wire wound coil, please post a photo of it here, there should be a steel wire and a copper wire, both wound side by side called a bifilar winding, with a iron bolt through the middle with a big fat washer on either end of the thick coil.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #358 on: August 04, 2009, 02:42:15 PM »
@Cao-Z-ro

I aint so great, lol, but the acolade is nice, thanks.


I wish I had the time to grow with the gang...but I have to be content to pick up a little here and there as time permits for now.


@ Jim

What did I tell you...you are no doubt among the greats in this field.

There is so much great lateral thinking happening all over this site right now, I know success is not far off.
 
Regards all...

Good things come to those who wait, learning is part of this as well.
The hard part is to wait until the good idea comes along and then doing the idea, sometimes you have to seek the KEY, then bingo....
I have lots of failed ideas, but this means less to sift in the long run.

I was just looking back at the last photos I posted, those bags look awful, so I just might go outside in the morning with some sizzors and snip a few bags....
 
Theres lots of good ideas here, and lots of good people, not only on this forum but in all the others too.
I go, look, pay attention, listen, and read, so much information to soke in, if only the schools would teach this stuff the world would be a much better place.

sometimes it scares me the quality of the people here, some of them could run rings around me and leave me at a snale pace.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #359 on: August 04, 2009, 02:59:38 PM »
@All

So far the 6 volts are steady out of my 12 Ally cells, surprisengly this is still not enough to light up a white LED blindingly, 6 volts should have smoked this LED.

Why not? because it is only at uA or Micro amps,. :o

I have shown the way to make series earth cells, that alone is the success of my goal, and I am happy to have done this. :D

Next is to make a 12v DC series earth cell, this will take twice as much material as what I have used, as each cell puts out on average .5 volts or more, so amps is going to be the big one to achieve.

I was thinking, how is it possible to make a earth cell and seal in the moisture, well have a tube sealed at both ends, when the moisture is optimum, seal the tube, it becomes it's own little echo system. ;)

This weekend, its a trip to the plumbers, for endcaps, PVC cement, a few bolts and wingnuts, well something like that stuff anyway.

(Got to do away with the shopping bags) ::)

Goodnight all

jim