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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16602301 times)

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13605 on: August 30, 2012, 10:16:41 AM »
Received by what? The blue coil? Because ...

The blue coil/transformer would not be the best choice for near-field power transfer due to its low cross-sectional area (...however it would be a good choice for kHz switching voltage converter/regulator).
I think Tinsel's idea about the aquarium's frame functioning as a receiver coil is the best choice, becaue it has large area and its 3D geometry makes it insensitive to XYZ rotation.
The metal frame of the aquarium would probably be a good match...

Something with the physics is very wrong here. :(
For the sake of humanity - I sincerely hope so.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13606 on: August 30, 2012, 10:50:27 AM »
Kapandze would probably build you a device for that sum. If you're serious I'll put it to him.
(To look at, I mean, not to take away lol.........)
Don't contact him on my behalf because most likely he is hostile to you (and anyone you recommend) for objecting to being ripped-off for $20k and instituting legal action against him. (which I think you have the full right to)

It is obvious to me that TK does not want us to see what is inside his aquarium (it's a "black box" for all intents and purposes).

However, I would gladly invest $1000 to credibly inspect/measure outside of this box, such as:
1) the size of the "black box"
2) the weight of the "black box"
3) the external interfaces of the "black box":
    a) any conductors protruding outside of of the "black box", e.g. wires, braids.
    b) near-fields that could be used for wireless power transfer, e.g. see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulGKroR0yA
4) the power delivered to a resistive load (e.g.: light bulbs or a space heater)
    a) using this photodetector method: http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/kapagen33pio.htm
    b) observing power delivery during the time that would indicate clear (200%) superiority of the "black box's" energy density compared to the best batteries avaialable today. Energy density of the "black box" would be calculated from measurements made in pt.1 and pt.2 and pt.4a multiplied by the duration of the observation.

P.S.
Optionally, I very much would like to cut and then resolder the conductors mentioned in pt.3a.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13607 on: August 30, 2012, 11:07:23 AM »
   Quote from: Zeitmaschine
   What about mains failures? No Free Energy during a blackout would be somewhat embarrassing, wouldn't it?

Indeed, that's why TK may have been concerned to do the demo during the storm. However, the battery would probably be able to cope with 'brown-outs'.
That's the best explanation for TK trepidations about the storm, that I have read so far.

Storms are not solely responsible for power outages, for example...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13608 on: August 30, 2012, 11:29:21 AM »
@Hoppy, why the fascination with braid and power feed through it? After all where is braid in green box, Island vid ,Booth vid or other 10 Kapanadze devices. They all obviously have a common (secret if you like) but braid is in full view so this would not be it. The braid if anything is acting as a capacitor and nothing more. I ran 2.5 KW through coax only lasted few minutes then heated up to dead short. DOES NOT MATTER IF LIVE OR NEUTRAL SAME LOAD/AMPS IN EITHER.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13609 on: August 30, 2012, 11:31:32 AM »
Don't contact him on my behalf because most likely he is hostile to you (and anyone you recommend) for objecting to being ripped-off for $20k and instituting legal action against him. (which I think you have the full right to)

It is obvious to me that TK does not want us to see what is inside his aquarium (it's a "black box" for all intents and purposes).

However, I would gladly invest $1000 to credibly inspect/measure outside of this box, such as:
1) the size of the "black box"
2) the weight of the "black box"
3) the external interfaces of the "black box":
    a) any conductors protruding outside of of the "black box", e.g. wires, braids.
    b) near-fields that could be used for wireless power transfer, e.g. see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulGKroR0yA
4) the power delivered to a resistive load (e.g.: light bulbs or a space heater)
    a) using this photodetector method: http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/kapagen33pio.htm
    b) observing power delivery during the time that would indicate clear (200%) superiority of the "black box's" energy density compared to the best batteries avaialable today. Energy density of the "black box" would be calculated from measurements made in pt.1 and pt.2 and pt.4a multiplied by the duration of the observation.

P.S.
Optionally, I very much would like to cut and then resolder the conductors mentioned in pt.3a.

Without a proper investigation as detailed by Verpies, it would IMO be pointless to continue speculation on the modus-operandi of the device. Clearly, if it can be established conclusively that the device is not powered from an external source, then and only then should any serious financial investment be considered.

Signing-off for the time being.

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13610 on: August 30, 2012, 11:40:10 AM »
@Hoppy, why the fascination with braid and power feed through it? After all where is braid in green box, Island vid ,Booth vid or other 10 Kapanadze devices. They all obviously have a common (secret if you like) but braid is in full view so this would not be it. The braid if anything is acting as a capacitor and nothing more. I ran 2.5 KW through coax only lasted few minutes then heated up to dead short. DOES NOT MATTER IF LIVE OR NEUTRAL SAME LOAD/AMPS IN EITHER.
Regards
Keith

Just realised I missed answering your post. Firstly, I do not think the heater is consuming 2KW and I have already made the point that the power carrying conductors can be minimised with the help of a high capacity battery when the load is pulsed.

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13611 on: August 30, 2012, 11:41:37 AM »
And because most of folks choosen to chase TK goose here the entire info about yoke device now is hardly found in this thread....

Yes, the apparently working Yoke Device appears to be abandoned and everyone is distracted by the unreplicable tubular TK device, despite that the Yoke experimenters were much more forthcoming and transparent than TK.

The Yoke device is easy to build, if one has the proper ferromagnetic core, but it is hard to tune.

I was not able to detect a signal from nuclear precession (FID) in the black ferromagnetic core from a russian TV set Рубин 714, from 1kHz to 60Mhz Larmor Frequency, using the windings depicted in Aidas' diagrams.
Osiakosia, Itsu, energia9, dynoc, philm, Jdo300 and Wattsup also were unsuccessful with their cores. One of them made video of the attempt.

Thus, I am still waiting for Wesley to tune it successfully since his group has already done it at least twice.
Some info should be forthcoming from him, see below:

Although Yoke experiment is considered to be dangerous I voluntary to go for it 
I have  equipment  I need

that what I do not have but hopefully I would be able to  acquire is:
1.Alpha, Beta  Gamma  measuring equipment
2. electromagnetic omnidirectional  field strength  device.

That needs to be  purchased or borrowed from friends.
I have made contacts with  scientific community member to get help in this area.

Let's go back to working on the Yoke Device if no progress is made on TK's Tubular "black box" devices, by the time this thread reaches 1000 pages.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13612 on: August 30, 2012, 11:56:30 AM »
Was that  braid silver  ? Was it magnetic ? Was it dismantled from coaxail cable or just bought alone ? Just curious.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13613 on: August 30, 2012, 12:10:25 PM »
I ran 2.5 KW through coax only lasted few minutes then heated up to dead short. DOES NOT MATTER IF LIVE OR NEUTRAL SAME LOAD/AMPS IN EITHER.
Not the same current (Amps) if the voltage is different.
For example, at 3kV, less than 1 Amp of current is needed to transfer 2kW to the aquarium.
...and even enameled magnet wire can withstand 3kV.

P.S.
Without a rudimentary power measurement, such as this: http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/kapagen33pio.htm
we cannot even be sure that 2kW indeed was dissipated in the load (resistive heater).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13614 on: August 30, 2012, 01:37:24 PM »
i'd like to see more investigation with the yoke approach as well. the core material i've got just doesn't cut it. the frequencies i detected were 13mhz - 16mhz where my capabilities are diminished.

i don't think the failure of the core was transmutation so much as the domains in the material polarized in scattered directions. the geometry sucks with the yoke but to get some signs of life out of it would require a separate overall toroidal wind. the core needs to be in a field that is as homogeneous as possible. there are examples where steven mark is waving a speaker magnet around one of his tpu's. this, to me, shows he is performing a magnetic shimming which is another one of those nmr terms. stronger overall magnetic field that the core is exposed to require a higher larmor frequency. the best effects to get the 90 flip are when the larmor frequency is switched on and off at specific phases and durations.

here is a video showing how a magnetic field influences magnetic resonance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OrPCNVSA4o

it appeared that the yoke's larmor frequency was about 1.1mhz <-- my memory.

the resulting perpendicular field of the domains then need to be precessed at a lower frequency with a transverse wave to take advantage of the zeeman effect as much as possible and extend the free induction decay out. going by memory again but it appeared that the best transverse frequency for the yoke was around 180khz. the precession can be used for flux cutting or, using the example of the yoke, flux coupling with the other half of the yoke. precessional flux cutting is still used on the other half of the yoke for the energy extraction.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13615 on: August 30, 2012, 02:39:21 PM »
"Yes, the apparently working Yoke Device appears to be abandoned and everyone is distracted by the unreplicable tubular TK device, despite that the Yoke experimenters were much more forthcoming and transparent than TK."


"Let's go back to working on the Yoke Device if no progress is made on TK's Tubular "black box" devices, by the time this thread reaches 1000 pages."


@verpies and all

I think it would be best to start new thread called "Yoke Device".
 This way the research can continue by interested parties with out mixing the topics. IMO, it would be easier to look thru the back pages of the thread if one looking for specific info. Just a thought.. ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13616 on: August 30, 2012, 03:05:43 PM »
HI all,I noticed that no one got this,for this device to work you have to loop it.
No one asked where is it looped and how,notice the wires used to connect to the HV wires.
It could be a feed back point or an output point.

@cheappower2012

There no wire going onto that blue wires. The wires you see are simply going to the top platform for the two switches and the battery start.

What about mains failures? No Free Energy during a blackout would be somewhat embarrassing, wouldn't it?
Are these real wires or just reflections? Remember TK works with smoke and MIRRORS. :)
Some more headaches: Where are the 9 amps for the load coming from? A pin that has no connection? Or has it? ::) Any ideas with some physical basis?

@Zeitmaschine

Don't think so. A HV flyback transformer can provide sufficient positive output without using the negative. Put the positive and negative on a spark gap and you will start consuming watts. Use only the positive and you will be using much much less watts plus you have the HV+ you wanted to work with.

@waves

Thanks for your confirmation of 10Hz. When I saw that, it dawned on me that I could use VirtualDubMod, that provides me with a great 35 frames per second accuracy. When looking at the sparking, it happens every third frame so that is not far from 10 per second. Thanks again.

@all

The way the Aq2v shows the device, and I will repeat this again because I think guys just don't get it. I will refer to the red letters in the image below.

The connection from output to ground is either of these two possibilities but I am convinced it is 1.

1) HV+ (C) -> Load -> TKc -> Ground Wire (or)
2) HV+ (C) -> TKc -> Load -> Ground Wire.

That's it guys. Nothing more, nothing less. TK did say it was simple. The spark gap is on the Primary side of one, two or three of the primaries on the triple flyback transformer (A-D-G). Take your pick. These are variables you have to retain if you work on the this research with a triple flyback (which is not required).

But I think this is different here.

Each of the three flybacks have three coils. One primary (A-D-G) of very low inductance, one secondary of high inductance and high voltage (C-F-I) and one secondary of low inductance hence low voltage (B-E-H). All the low inductance secondaries (B-E-H) are in parallel and not connected to the ground, so they are floating. The high induction coils on two of them feed double positives into the CoCo points, so two HV+ outs are taken (F-I). Notice their HV- are grounded to Earth.

The third coil has the high inductive coil (C) HV positive going straight to Load or to the TKc.

The third primary (A) is the only one getting the actual input feed pulse. The HV- of the third coil (C) at terminal #2 goes to the low inductance secondary coil (B) to either terminal 3 or 4 that is all parallel to the two other low inductance secondaries (E-H) and not connected to ground.

But there is more. The third flyback low inductance secondary (B) is a real secondary with output going to the two other identical secondaries that now become primaries (E-H). With the addition of the third coil HV- to the low inductance (B-E-H) with B offering output to (E and H), this is creating some unknown effect, with the result that the two low inductance coils of flyback 1 (G) and flyback 2 (D) are now used as secondaries that can feed back lower voltage but higher amperage to replenish the drive system. Coils D and G and the feedback points so there is no need to have any other wires gong back to the drive side.

The TKc

The TKc wire has a center conductor and an outer shielding. The shielding is used to either absorb any penetrating signals from the conductor and bring them to ground before they can effect outer devices, or, in the inverse mode, keep outer signals from penetrating into the conductor to create unwanted effects. This is the standard use. The dielectric is required to ensure no arcing can occur on the center conductor. But all this means is the shielding is capable of absorbing energy and bringing it to ground before it creates any unwanted effects. So the shielding is a collector.

We know the HV+ at flyback three (C) is connected only to the center conductor of the blue TKc wire and that this wire is going straight to load. But what about the shielding. It is open ended at the HV+ side, but what about when it gets to the load and what about the shielding after the load going to ground?

We know that HV will penetrate every component that is in the line. It will go through the load, through the TKc and to ground and everything in that line will be super charged. So where can the blue wire increase its charge via the ambient energy? The only thing I can see is the shielding. The diagram below explains a little about what I think is happening. If the ground received only the center conductor with an open ended shielding (OES), that OES becomes a collector. But in order to collect, that shielding has to be connected somewhere. This is what I think he did. Just before the blue wire leaves the plexiglass, he made an opening on the wire where I think he simply connected the shield to the center conductor that goes to ground and to the load. This permits HV- to be sucked into the center conductor and the shielding increases this HV-  that goes back to that center conductor before both head to the load. When both the center conductor and shielding (with its own added energy) are put together, this increase the amperage gong to load and since both are together, this increases the wire AWG rating from that point towards the load.

There could be variations of this general premise but in general I think the most simple explanation of the TK effect is how he is using the blue wire. HV is HV. There is nothing special there. Producing HV can be accomplished in many ways as TK has already proven, but it still remains regular HV. The only other place that anything can happen is in the TKc and I think he is simply using the shield as a collector, which is mainly what the shielding was designed for. It is possible that accidentally, one day he put some voltage on the center cable and at one point in the length the wire was shorted to the center conductor and he noticed a higher then average voltage at the other end.

I'll stop here, but I hope this gives some guys some new ways of experimenting. The above pushes to me to use regular coax for now and I will test these theories with my flyback set-up.

Lastly, I need a favor from anyone in the USA. There is this cable being sold on Ebay....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-ft-Gepco-GEP-LVT61859S-0-Triax-Cable-/251138508695?_trksid=p4340.m263&
_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%2
6pmod%3D230405748854%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1613766310554608749&_qi=RTM1062688

Can anyone buy it and have it sent to them in the USA since they will not ship this to Canada. It is an ideal candidate and I think the price will be more then decent for 1000 feet. Then I can purchase all or part of it from you via paypal and other can purchase it as well since 1000 feet is alot, all I need is not more then 150 to 250 feet. Hehehe

The wire is Gepco model LVT61859S and can be seen here...
http://www.gepco.com/products/proav_cable/camera/triax_flex_F.htm

Thank in advance to anyone.

wattsup

Added: I noticed that this thread page was wider then usual. I think it is due to the ebay link I put above, so I split it in three lines (what a coincidence three).
« Last Edit: August 31, 2012, 02:40:37 AM by wattsup »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13617 on: August 30, 2012, 04:00:28 PM »
@verpies, Hi yes I do agree on current, My experiments at the moment with load at 1.5Kw was melting wires (just the crocodile type from maplins) and I could not understand why, checked output voltage it was only 100volts hence I suppose around 15amps current. Heating element full bright when compared to grid power. On another note I am learning a lot using the oscillator from induction heater, when I first saw Kapanadze coil could not see how so many KWs were possible from tiny coil, but now I am lighting 2.5 KW with only 33ft  of litz wire via induction. The coil winds to 5 inches in length on 2inch plastic tube, it does not even get warm after hours running. Still no OU yet but keep trying.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13618 on: August 30, 2012, 05:50:39 PM »
@verpies, Hi yes I do agree on current, My experiments at the moment with load at 1.5Kw was melting wires (just the crocodile type from maplins) and I could not understand why, checked output voltage it was only 100volts hence I suppose around 15amps current. Heating element full bright when compared to grid power. On another note I am learning a lot using the oscillator from induction heater, when I first saw Kapanadze coil could not see how so many KWs were possible from tiny coil, but now I am lighting 2.5 KW with only 33ft  of litz wire via induction. The coil winds to 5 inches in length on 2inch plastic tube, it does not even get warm after hours running. Still no OU yet but keep trying.
Regards
Keith

@captainkt

If you have a heater element like TK is using, can you try and work out a relay or manual method of pulsing on/off 10 times per second just to see if the element will still stay lit and if the pulsating can be seen in the heated element. I say you will not be able to see it because the reaction time of the element will be greater then 1/10th of a second. Otherwise I will have to try it myself at some time. Of course at 110 volts and 15 amps, the relay will be sparking but it is only to see the visual effect on the element.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13619 on: August 30, 2012, 08:44:27 PM »
@wattsup,will try this weekend,as I said in a previous post I am working completely backwards with 2KW out put via induction then trying to get different results by playing with input.
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