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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16408149 times)

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13560 on: August 29, 2012, 01:36:26 PM »
@wattsup

As far as the heater goes, the high voltage supply cannot create any heat in it because the power dissipated as heat depends only on current (P=RI2).  Voltage alone does not create any heat nor does it create any magnetic field (e.g. in a coil such as tranformer's primary...)

If the source-resistance of the power supply was zero, then this formula could be reduced to P=V2/R, however because in reality the source-resistance is not zero, then you must apply the Power Transfer Theorem.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13561 on: August 29, 2012, 01:53:52 PM »
I am interested in anyones take on this video snip'it.
http://youtu.be/HBoZD2y_l6Q
I stopped watching after I saw "..the amount of electrical energy expended as watts."
Watts are units of power (not energy) and anybody making such a mistake during a formal presentation is apt to make more mistakes about more subtle issues.

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« Reply #13562 on: August 29, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »
I stopped watching after I saw "..the amount of electrical energy expended as watts."
Watts are units of power (not energy) and anybody making such a mistake during a formal presentation is apt to make more mistakes about more subtle issues.

but he said it is simple and that's been the theme around here lately.

i know. i watched the whole dvd and the whole thing was stacked up that way.

thanks for the response verpies.

take care.

nap.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13563 on: August 29, 2012, 02:51:35 PM »
I agree with angryscientist that back EMF in a trafo is current in the same direction as the current from source. Then why does it causes source to push more ? When current in the secondary goes though a load the current is delayed with correlation to the amount of resistance. It this delayed current that creates the back EMF in the source which is now out of phase with source. What I discovered is that when coils of a trafo are connected in certain way this delay is no more so you can take power without causing this phase shift. No phase shift means source does not need to push more, hence you will get more power out than goes in.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13564 on: August 29, 2012, 03:09:15 PM »
@wattsup

As far as the heater goes, the high voltage supply cannot create any heat in it because the power dissipated as heat depends only on current (P=RI2).  Voltage alone does not create any heat nor does it create any magnetic field (e.g. in a coil such as tranformer's primary...)

If the source-resistance of the power supply was zero, then this formula could be reduced to P=V2/R, however because in reality the source-resistance is not zero, then you must apply the Power Transfer Theorem.

Picking-up on Verpies excellent post, our focus should be on the generation of current, not just voltage. The investigation team reported that apart from the spark-gap, no significant noise could be heard being generated inside the aquarium. We have also concluded that a battery capable of being hidden would have been insufficient in capacity to have powered the fire for 4.5 hours.

So, what options do we have left to explain his feat. One possible explanation is that he used an external power source brought in through wires concealed in the 'earth' braid. This source of energy may have been sufficient to to run a powerful high voltage inverter with the help of the battery, such that the battery could act as a no-break power supply in the event of a grid power glitch which caused short interruptions of the energy supply to the device. In no load periods, the external power source would be able to charge the battery. This approach would enable the external supply conductors to be minimised in cross sectional area. It would also allow for the braid to be disconnected for a short period to demonstrate that the magic was confined to the aquarium. It is in effect a compromise solution, yet it is simple. TK not being an EE may have viewed this approach as being quite clever, especially if he was 'pinching' grid electricity from a source outside his home taken from the grid side of his consumer unit! The majority of the junk we can see would have constituted 'eye candy' for the punters. more importantly, he may have viewed this as the most straightforward way of fooling his prospective 'customers'.

You will all have probably noticed how long the 'earth' braid is from the loose coils on the floor. Was this to give the impression to investigators that the fire could not have possibly been powered over this length of braid, even if it did conceal wires carrying the source energy. As a possible candidate for the high voltage inverter, I would favour Gidfactor's idea that he used some type of powerful CDI, possibly hand built and that the spark gap across the load was purely to regulate voltage. Carrying a heavy current from the house to a convenient grid tap point would be both dangerous and 'heavy' on cable, so by minimising the size of the feed cable, he is able to more readily use this method for practical applications and importantly, make it less obvious that he is milking the grid.

Wattsup asked whether the fire element may have been pulsing but not noticed visually. My feeling on this one is that the power to the load was reasonably stabilised. However, i think the output is pulsed at a frequency just outside visual perception, simply to provide a duty cycle that can reduce supply current to a minimum.

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13565 on: August 29, 2012, 03:54:48 PM »
I stopped watching after I saw "..the amount of electrical energy expended as watts."
Watts are units of power (not energy) and anybody making such a mistake during a formal presentation is apt to make more mistakes about more subtle issues.
I believe that the point of this video was to establish that there appears to be potential energy in a magnetic field.  Albert Einstein realized that an electrostatic field and a magnetic field are one in the same.  The magnetic force lines appear when a charge carrier moves relative to the observer.  His famous energy/mass equivalency formulae is used as a cover for the more profound realization of his and that is an electromagnetic wave aka photon is the quantization of inertia.  In order for anything to change it's velocity it MUST manufacture and radiate electromagnetic waves.  Therefore an accelerating force such as an electrical field polarization capable of accelerating an electron will cause the electron to radiate a photon upon acceleration and again radiate a photon upon deacceleration.  When an electron is first accelerated in a picture tube it radiates a photon or creates energy.  When it is not changing it's inertia it is pretty much dead as it is not doing anything there is no change in state.  When it is deaccelerated as in a collision or encountering a magnetic field force line again it creates energy.  His equivalency statement is also combined with his mass gain statement.  As a particle is accelerated by a force he said it will gain mass.  Since E=mc2 energy is created by simple acceleration of the electron.  Voltage is a measure of force and has nothing to do with energy and everything to do with force.  So a voltage multiplication is a force multiplication and has nothing to do with energy.   May the force be with you because I am now forced to go out and scavenge up some energy to keep this bag of bones alive. 
   @Verpies
 
    You are obviously a proficient electrical engineer with a handle on all of Maxwell's equations and the subset of equations derived from this master of electro-dynamics.   My question is does Maxwell's equations take into account realitivistic effects discovered a number of years after Maxwell's prooving that light was an electro-magnetic wave?

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« Reply #13566 on: August 29, 2012, 04:01:38 PM »
After reading quite few posts about hidden power applied to TK device I think we should send a investigating team and solve this once for all ;) :D If somebody is willing to organize this I'm willing to donate thru paypal.. :D. I do believe it would put an end to wild speculations about is it REAL or is FAKE from now on.. Just a thought..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13567 on: August 29, 2012, 04:06:14 PM »
Aquarium spark frequense is 10 Hz, see picture

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13568 on: August 29, 2012, 04:10:21 PM »
I agree with angryscientist that back EMF in a trafo is current in the same direction as the current from source. Then why does it causes source to push more ?
The current of the source (primary coil) creates a magnetic field in the core. This magnetic field then creates (when a load is connected) a current in the secondary coil. So the Back EMF in the primary coil (current to magnetic) goes in one direction but in the secondary coil (magnetic to current) the Back EMF should be reversed, going in the other direction, because the conversion there is reversed (current-magnetic-current).

IMHO

BTW: The textbook seems to end when the voltage and current are 90 degrees out of phase. But what will happen (in a transformer) when voltage and current are more than 90 degrees out of phase?

Aquarium spark frequense is 10 Hz, see picture
Who says that? ??? :o

After reading quite few posts about hidden power applied to TK device I think we should send a investigating team and solve this once for all ;) :D
Hiding a frequency meter within the heater (or within some other load) would be a nice idea too. :D
« Last Edit: August 29, 2012, 05:50:03 PM by Zeitmaschine »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13569 on: August 29, 2012, 04:11:16 PM »
After reading quite few posts about hidden power applied to TK device I think we should send a investigating team and solve this once for all ;) :D If somebody is willing to organize this I'm willing to donate thru paypal.. :D . I do believe it would put an end to wild speculations about is it REAL or is FAKE from now on.. Just a thought..

I reckon if he has any common sense, he will go to ground now.  ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13570 on: August 29, 2012, 05:15:55 PM »
Open the resonance energy, or "resonance in the resonance" Tariel Kapanadze.

http://tarielkapanadze.ru/science-eng.htm

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13571 on: August 29, 2012, 05:35:56 PM »
I am very sorry, but as a physicist I have to be blunt.
Lenz law has never been beaten in our part of the Universe.
Back EMF has never produced any extra energy.
However, this does not mean that back EMF cannot be used to invoke phenomena that convert energy from one form to the other. Energy must always come from somewhere. The fact that you do not see the source of energy, only means that the source is well hidden.

This is just a friendly reminder. :)

Yes @yfree This is 100% the True. Lets look from Principle Discovered by Ismael Aviso: http://www.youtube.com/user/ley858


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10JY4agHjE4 Aviso Tech Ambient extraction & basic principles 1- 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtxb6skBCE Aviso Tech Ambient extraction & basic principles 2-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrbChoUe7B4 Aviso Tech Ambient extraction & basic principles 3-3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlm6VjieRJQ Aviso self charging motor 1 of 6 " BREAKTHROUGH "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYxFWINuvI Aviso self charging motor 2 of 6 How I found problem & solved it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb1HcyIKAFg Aviso self charging motor 3 of 6 TESLA Principles ( spark gap) & why is not applicable now MVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Mfg1CBPrc Aviso self charging motor 4 of 6 About IGBT & other power switching modules MVI 1456
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Aj137A7kg Aviso self charging motor 5 of 6 Evgray similarity & advantage MVI_1459.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2TvLXW5bc Aviso Self charging motor 6 of 6 EVgray How it works & disadvantages MVI_1466.mp4

And the key is given by Steven Mark (see attachment).

Quote from: Steven Mark TPU
If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page
262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's
magnetic field to produce a small kick.


In Resume the Earth's magnetic field may be a only 0,5 Gauss = 0,00005 Tesla, byt it is not Still and is interact with inrush current in wire. So here is the long seeked hiden source of energy for Steven Mark TPU, for Ismael Aviso and maybe for Tariel Kapanadze so.

To make experiments with earth magnetic power kicks. We just need: a 6inch piece of wire, Voltage source(Power Suplly or Battery) and some expensive impulse traker osciloscope to see the results...
Or Back EMF motor coil impulses. Run Trough Ambient extraction Air core masive wire Coil to charging the capacitors i.e. Ismael Aviso Setups.

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« Reply #13572 on: August 29, 2012, 05:38:36 PM »
Aquarium spark frequense is 10 Hz, see picture

interesting Waves.

i recall stivep saying Tariel was going to build a 10 hertz rig.

back in the woodpecker days they were saying the frequencies would be 16 hertz, 10 hertz and 8 hertz. not sure how accurate that is since i'm going from memory.

how close was Tariel to the woodpecker source. probably doesn't matter. i don't think it has been active for a while.

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13573 on: August 29, 2012, 07:47:50 PM »
One possible explanation is that he used an external power source brought in through wires concealed in the 'earth' braid. This source of energy may have been sufficient to to run a powerful high voltage inverter with the help of the battery, such that the battery could act as a no-break power supply in the event of a grid power glitch which caused short interruptions of the energy supply to the device. In no load periods, the external power source would be able to charge the battery. This approach would enable the external supply conductors to be minimised in cross sectional area. It would also allow for the braid to be disconnected for a short period to demonstrate that the magic was confined to the aquarium. It is in effect a compromise solution, yet it is simple. TK not being an EE may have viewed this approach as being quite clever...

Yes, this is a possible explanation. To be complete, it should be mentioned that conversion of high voltage, low current in the braid TO low voltage, high current for the heater, must be done at a kHz frequencies through a switching converter, in isolated topology (push-pull, FullBridge or Resonant ZVS) or non-isolated topology such as the buck-converter or split-pi converter.
Converting 2kW at 50Hz with a transformer would require a giant unit that could not be hidden.

Another far-fetched explanation is near-field magnetic induction. Such as turning the whole room into a giant air core transformer by hiding windings in wall, floors, etc...  This is far fetched because any larger conductive object in the room, would experience inductive heating and video cameras would be interfered with.
Avaramenko's Plug one-wire power transfer would create helluva RF interference, too.

Additionally, NF Induction and AV Plug transfers are sophisticated, expensive methods and most likely would be noticed even by non-technical observers, especially with sensitive video cameras and poking around with simple unshielded multimeters.
Well concealed HV low-current wires - not necessarily...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13574 on: August 29, 2012, 07:57:11 PM »
Can anyone tell me what this is?
From the ru TK forum