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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13968439 times)

Offline ronotte

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10335 on: January 31, 2012, 10:00:27 AM »
@Alena,

Yes, I am sure, it is a long time I understood that: it is a clever way to 'close the circuit' & introduce positive feeback'. So, the TBC   Caduceus   pickup coil is to be considered like a whole circuit containing a positive feedback loop inside. The feedback amount is dependent on several variables so it is difficult to generalize it.
The concept applied by STAAAR team is simply, like in many old radio receivers, to feed back on the input a part of the output using capacitive or inductive way: here for sake of simplicity this 'part of the output' has been calibrated by designing a proper interwinding capacitance (140-170pf). The operation must be fine tuned in order to have the SG firing happening at the right time in order to have the next pulses charging more and more the stray cap so giving the famous trumpet showing a quadratic rise (concavity, not linearity...as it should be a divergent process). The additional secondary (named SFC by wattsup) has been found useful by STAAAR team to...enhance the feedback amount...?

As the positive feeback effect should be that to increase the trumpet amplitude... till auto-oscillation...I've already tested a similar approach by sliding a coaxial 10t coil over the pickup coil and feeding back the captured emf in series with the input SG#1 (much like Tesla suggested in one of his pat): nothing happen.
Heem...now I have an idea to follow the team approach and, while still using the kacher as source, connect the pickup coil Center Tap in series with the kacher's magnifier coil: this should duplicate the 'additional TBC secondary' on STAAAR team ver#2 schematic.
Roberto
@aether22,
I concord, the tank circuit does provide for resonation effect (it is easy to see it while working with low voltages). It is interesting also to consider that Caduceus + tank cap (1nF) resonates itself nsturally at more than 20MHz which is the limit of my lab oscillator. My GDP(Grid Dip Meter) showed  that CC alone has little resonance in 100-400MHz (may be it resonates better at much higher freqs) range...so why is effective at such low frequencies? (in my case source is at 2-3MHz) and SG firing 3-5KHz ?
Roberto
« Last Edit: January 31, 2012, 11:04:39 AM by ronotte »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10336 on: January 31, 2012, 11:52:07 AM »

Ok, one thing I don't get, how come the Caduceus is being considered non-inductive?


Clearly it is only a few turns and they are spaced, but they aren't bucking or cancelling. (as caduceus coils can be wound)


And Ronotte, your bifilar pancake primary, if connected as Tesla had, would the fields of the 2 halves not be reinforcing?


That the caduceus, and your coil bifilar resonate at a frequency they aren't resonant at makes me wonder, what if it isn't really an inductor but just an unusual capacitor plate?


This could be tested by taking a wire and shorting out more, less or all of the 'primary' turns. I hope that isn't it.


Second test, that happens if the impedance of the primary is increased by putting an inductor in series to bring the resonant frequency down to match.


I don't blame you if you don't try these tests, but that it isn't resonant on the frequency it is oscillating on is very unusual.
I see how they are always avoiding resonance.


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A tank circuit 'oscillating'  at a frequency other than it's resonant frequency (if that is what is happening) must mean that it is being impressed very powerfully by an EMF, so where is this EMF coming from? The pickup coils or the flyback/kacher?

Also I understand the value of this tank cap is sensitive, but if it isn't tuning into the actual electromagnetic resonance of the frequency it is picking up, then what is it tuning to? Something aetheric/radionic?




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10337 on: January 31, 2012, 12:24:20 PM »
@aether22,
you are posing same questions I asked myself, hence is time I show the caduceus + pickup coilspectrum (in the non powered & powered condition) in order to see exactly what's happening ;D
I have the possibility of using my big Tektronix  color 6 traces with built in spectrum with amplitude & phase capability: I only hope it is still operating. So I hope to fully characterize the coil set.
Roberto

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10338 on: January 31, 2012, 02:05:32 PM »
talking about this moment diagrams, show how it looks

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10339 on: January 31, 2012, 05:14:56 PM »

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« Reply #10340 on: January 31, 2012, 06:36:30 PM »
Ok since a few have asked me about my design I would like to clarify a few things about the box Tesla had in the pierce arrow experiment.


 Yes there is no clear diagram for that box. But as many inventors do they tend to stick with their bag of tricks to invent new things and Tesla had a huge bag of tricks.


http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1932-07-10.htm

 This one section was made at the time of the experiment. Read it and look for the buzz words. "Penetrating Rays".. These in my opinion mean exactly what he had been playing with the whole time previously with his wireless transmission experiments. Except this time it was the natural flavor he was interested in. In all the reading I have done over the years with his material I keep seeing 3 distinct variables, high voltage, disruptive capacitor discharges and and spark gaps. All of which lead to the emission of the "Rays".
 
 While doing experiments like the Colorado experiments he also noted that elevations above the ground gave metal objects different values. So if that's the case then everyone who is failing at experiments here are due to that fact.
 Reference: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1901-01-30.htm


 The source of my diagrams came from me in my attempt to figure out the mystery of the Tesla pierce arrow experiment. The diodes were all tube based and would have been very common at the time. But in my time of reading everything I could about Tesla I have come to the conclusion that he wasn't doing anything new really. He fell back to his old bag of tricks so to speak, seeing that his new power distribution was defunct as far as the ones in control were concerned. I think if anything the box was a control box for a new type of engine that he had Westinghouse make for him.


 This engine was I believe an old Idea redesigned with the new information he was given from his more recent work on radiant energy. and the old patent was changed accordingly.


 Reference: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 You could say it was a new spin on the old concept. All in one unit that generated high voltage in the exciter and shifted the radiant lines through the core windings which were turned in opposite direction from the radiant cycling around the ring with a motor. The motor/generator was merely a transformer in that respect. Also there was little kickback from the exciter because it generated high voltage. Any magnetic lines that were made were contained in the core of the toroid and that left the real radiant energy(penetrating rays) free to generate into the generator core.


 But enough of that. The circuit was based off of many devices he secured patents for and from many of the writing he recorded in time. Between TFC books and Tesla Universe I was hoping to piece together the puzzle. Unfortunately I think I was in error but the diagram whoopy showed, it did seem to me similar to my design from a year or two ago.


 One thing I wanted to ask Stevep was if he read this: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm


 PAy particular attention to figure 3 and 5. Figure 8 is the idea I had gotten about equal mass but different surface area in antennas. Same mass = same properties when at the same general altitude. Per Tesla's discovery but it has a magnifying property to it or concentrating effects of the energy and energy doesn't like to be concentrated. On a per inch scale, if you concentrate energy from two like masses but there is a different surface area to each element, what do you think the outcome would be? <-antenna theory. I would say a gain.. What do you think Stevep?


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10341 on: January 31, 2012, 07:01:03 PM »
From what I know of the Peirce Arrow, the electric motor was an AC induction motor.
Im in the belief that he may have used the coils in the motor as part of an LC circuit. Maybe he had the motor wound a different way, bifilar, etc. Maybe since there were no mention of capacitors, the capacitance is built into the windings if it was bifi. ;]

Also, of the different stories out there, some say he had 1 12v battery, some not. Some say a 6 ft antenna was used, some not.

Mags



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10342 on: January 31, 2012, 09:04:19 PM »
Magluvin, jbignes5, do you have a detailed info about Tesla's Pierce Arrow? According to Wikipedia: "No physical evidence has ever been produced confirming that the car actually existed" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_electric_car).
I guess, a better example is Ismael Aviso's car, there exist some evidence, i.e. like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtxb6skBCE#t=15m15s

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10343 on: January 31, 2012, 09:23:42 PM »
NYW GROUP  AIDAS ARUNAS WESLEY




 pictures have been previously provided by Antanas.




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10344 on: January 31, 2012, 09:30:41 PM »
NYW Group Aidass Arunas Wesley








Pictures for  evaluation have been provided  by Antanas




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10345 on: January 31, 2012, 09:43:53 PM »
NYW Group Aidass Arunas Wesley








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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10346 on: January 31, 2012, 09:44:49 PM »
Ok since a few have asked me about my design I would like to clarify a few things about the box Tesla had in the pierce arrow experiment.

If you want to find out more about N. Tesla Pierce Arrow, you should go back to source closest as possible:
http://ia700302.us.archive.org/16/items/inventionsresear00martiala/inventionsresear00martiala.pdf

The later books got alterated information due lots of rewriting. For example, Tesla hairpin is opposite in books of this day...

Good luck!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10347 on: January 31, 2012, 09:50:48 PM »
@Blacktail:

I found some KP1211EY1A here: http://inter-energo.com/
It's all in Russian, and my Russian is not a 10 :)
I have send them a mail, I don't know if they will deliver abroad, at the moment I live in Belgium.

@Starcruiser,

The schematic make sense, with the loop-back and all, that's the reason I want to know if there is somebody working with this schematic.
The difficulty is of course the construction of the 'Kapanadze Coil' to get the desired resonance.


--- Keep Fighting For Free Energy ---

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10348 on: January 31, 2012, 10:04:46 PM »

..../....

We do not know what  gain of energy is coming from
We do not know why TK device work without any external power supply.

By the fact of applying different schematics and gaining results we have a chance to
-compare them
- analyze similarities
-mark differentiates
-get to logic conclusions


There is no one way to Washington
There are plenty.
There is no one OU device concepts
There are plenty.


There are many ways but only one unique mechanism ruling coupling energy of steady state Tesla based devices that is  common to all group of Tesla based devices

We try to find that mechanism
that  is why we have so many approaches


There is no magic device. It is only device that we do not understand why it works.


 
One of the main focuses of mine is spark gap by itself.That is why I try to attract    the group with new approach
Arunas than is taking concept into the drowing table
Than group together is scrutinizing the the schematic made by Arunas.
Hi Wesley! that is the good way :-bd


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My Letter to John my friend from scientifically oriented group  of traditional science
who is supporting that all and closely watching group progress.




From Wesley to John


"The large time jitter originates from the stochastic processes
that cause the actual breakdown of the spark gap: When an electric field is applied over
a gap, at some point in time a free electron will be created (due to (cosmic) background
radiation). This free electron is accelerated by the applied electric field, gains energy and,
eventually, hits an atom. When the energy of the accelerated electron is high enough,
this atom will be ionized and another free electron is created. The two electrons will be
accelerated again, additional ionization will take place and this way an electron avalanche
in created. Finally, via this avalanche and the additional process of streamer formation a
conducting (arc) channel will be formed, spanning the complete gap between the electrodes
(a streamer is a narrow filamentary plasma, driven by highly non-linear space charge waves
 This breakdown process is a stochastic process. The creation of the first free electrons
is stochastic and also the electron avalanche-formation has a stochastic nature, causing the
large shot-to-shot time instability and also limiting the rise time of the switched pulse





Theory of how TK device works. 


Take spark gap that is made from two contacts and is placed in our example  horizontally

Lets say that :Spark is jumping from left to right
Lets assume that when cosmic ray strike an electron it ads to total  energy by coupling energy of an electron.
This is what I've called otherwhere: "Venturi Pumping Like Effect"  ;)

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Lets say that after all of the losses we are still dealing with little more additive energy level at the right side of the spark gap than we delivered to the left hand side.
Lets say that we  tuned spark gap to its own self resonance frequency
Lets say that in spectral view, there is certain significant presence of amplitude level that represents mentioned above occupying narrow bandwidth. That would manifest  self resonance frequency of a spark gap.   




The theory of mine is
- that in spark gap we are dealing with slow down of transition of energy ,that has addition of cosmic rays  than we try to deliver summary of the charge  after spark jumps back to the left hand side of spark gap.
Despite the losses  energy return is faster than energy transfer  at the spark gap.
-difference in speed travel of electrons in plasma and in copper.
Now we dealing with self-looping circuitry.
Each loop time period gives us more energy going to infinite number up.
Infinite number is energy without limitation but chopped by spark gap self resonance frequency
Right before  very maximum of the amplitude of the signal  from  right  hand side of spark gap
the impulse is than  caught   part of the access energy is delivered to the load ( light bulb)
The rest of the signal  is returned to the left hand side of spark gap
That rest  of the signal = energy needed to sustain oscillation.


The trumpet waveform is significant  to energy grow on the right hand side of spark gap.
If there was  element of device that could allow to do not interrupt trumpet that energy will grow infinitely .
That is the spark gap plasma transition delta T that is interrupting trumpet   

The frequency of oscillation is tuned to frequency of spark gap by itself.



For one who may analyze energy level of the cosmic ray as additive:
-Does not matter what is energy of cosmic ray as we do not know how many cosmic rays and at what interval i time  is striking electron / plasma of spark gap
 example.
water is flowing into a container at steady speed= delta T
with the time,  potential energy in the container is accumulated 
I once released it represents say 100% of energy accumulated  from the water flow.
( minus energy losses due to the friction)
But we utilize only part of that  energy for our needs.
Looks to me that could be good idea to multiply the width of the spikes, like having kind of plasmic -surface that could catch more cosmic-rays.


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and we have constant water  flowing into a container at steady speed= delta T  all the time any time.
The speed of that flow is the factor determining potential energy level in container
The faster the speed  of flow the faster  container gain its potential energy.


Lets take this to three-dimensional  geometrical  platform
 once electrical filed, and magnetically created field  expands more surface is available for cosmic ray to strike and add energy to energy of  plasma.


And lets assume that  cosmic ray energy is in phase  and reacts as pure additive to overall energy level.
 
conclusion #1


There is conservation of energy laws obeyed
There is only mechanism of ENERGY COUPLING PROCESS
That energy is free of charge by oil guys.



conclusion # 2
what ever mechanism or theory we take to analyze what this energy  is coming from
energy is coming from somewhere and is utilized by TK device or any device that uses the same mechanism.


final conclusion= summary of conclusions
 there are many concepts but only  one mechanism of coupling.



As Dick said Spark gap does not care about signal carried on (say radar TX signal)
Spark gap works with its own frequency.


Frequency of radar transmitter is 3-9GHz
Frequency of spark gap is say 20 khz
So transmitter  of radar must send burst of the signal of 3 to 9 GHz that  has a length of burst matching spark gap frequency of switching
In between of intervals when transmitter is OFF the receiver input is not shorted by spark and using the same antenna  of radar
That signal goes from antenna to receiver of radar till the next spark jumps shorting receiver again. 
Receiver is receiving signal reflected from objects.
 

We have noticed that based on geometry of spark gap, with the same power supply- generator  we have soft spark or violent spark


Wesley


PS: pictures attached show geometry of spark gap tube only for one particular group of spark gaps
This one gives  nice soft spark .
The tubes pictured have addition of vacuum that in my opinion  makes it less vulnerable to atmospheric impurities
Wesley, ionisation can only occur with presence of atoms in the environement of the SG. If total vacum, it's something else that happened, as I could see.
In FLC light bulbs, we use that to start the light and then, while ionisation is made, it runs with less need of power.
So, we chose specific inert gas to maximize the lighting, like we could chose type of gas too for maximizing the pumping effect.
But I think that what John said doesn't apply in vacuum and could be essentially ZPE "Venturi Pumping Like Effect". What do you think?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10349 on: January 31, 2012, 11:14:51 PM »
Hi Wesley! that is the good way :-bd

This is what I've called otherwhere: "Venturi Pumping Like Effect"  ;)
Looks to me that could be good idea to multiply the width of the spikes, like having kind of plasmic -surface that could catch more cosmic-rays.

Wesley, ionisation can only occur with presence of atoms in the environement of the SG. If total vacum, it's something else that happened, as I could see.
In FLC light bulbs, we use that to start the light and then, while ionisation is made, it runs with less need of power.
So, we chose specific inert gas to maximize the lighting, like we could chose type of gas too for maximizing the pumping effect.
But I think that what John said doesn't apply in vacuum and could be essentially ZPE "Venturi Pumping Like Effect". What do you think?


Interesting approach. Definitely we dealing with  pumping effect
The problem I might have is gas or vacuum . TK did not used any vacuum and any gas
violence of spark gap depends on geometry of spark gap.
I have one vacuum tube that has flat discs 1.4" diameter and it works like a charm.
I have noticed that  TK utilized thick wire  with flat service in all of  his devices.


Wesley