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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16606653 times)

e2matrix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7905 on: October 22, 2011, 10:33:38 PM »
Good idea, they would be available to everyone.
But unfortunately wouldn't work either without modification, because you only got the "hot" output available and in Stivep's group device you need the "cold" end to connect to the other transformer secondary.
If i remember correctly ignition coils have the primary and secondary connected, so it is kind of available, but not sure if it would work the same.

I think one of the inputs or ground is common and is the 'cold' side for the output.  Looking at the schematic now ( Thank you for the redraw!)  it does seem that a regular hot coil might not work.  There are two input points in the schematic and two output points but nothing connected as a common and as well some other connections that would probably make an ignition coil more difficult to wire up - at least with my knowledge I'd rather just be able to follow the schematic.  Since hot coils just have 3 connection points using one as common for both input and output I'll say my idea may not be the best unless you are comfortable with making your own circuit design mods to accommodate one.

Magluvin

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7906 on: October 22, 2011, 10:34:22 PM »
First I'll say I'm not back up to speed here on the latest developments.  But IF common flyback coils will be a problem because of internal diodes why not consider automotive hot coils or ignition coils?  Older cars have them separate without any other electronics in them and they put out easily 20KV from just 12 volts input and they are built to handle the constant arcing and sparking.  And they can handle higher current than most flybacks.  Easy to find in auto parts stores - I'm seeing around $25 new.  Easy to find in auto wrecking yards for probably $2 -$10.

This might be difficult. There are more than 2 coils needed on the transformer, other than the HV winding.

Maybe the can style ign coils can be taken apart and add extra coils as needed. Probably and oily mess at first.  ;]

Maybe leave the can off. A new larger one can be made if it is better. Oil for cooling, possible that it helps contain field, helps induction?  ;]

E core ign coils, usually have plastic that impedes getting any more wire in there.

Being that these separate windings are all in series(in the schem shown), this is a necessary part of the circuit for replication.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7907 on: October 22, 2011, 10:42:07 PM »
@energia9
Zilano uses a diode after the NST, so I think the output is not rectified.

Your circuit seems right to me , except the driver stage.
I think there is no voltage amplification, only current amplification needed.
I would try one of these examples:
http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.arcor.de%2Fd.mietke%2Fanalog%2Fab_verst.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Chose one of the two examples; the left one, if distortion does not matter and the right one if linearity is required. I think they should work both in the 40 kHz range.

IMHO , if the caduceus coil provides a gain in this setup , this gain should remain also if you use a nst or a flyback without resonance condition.

@Goat : the shortcut

Magluvin

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7908 on: October 22, 2011, 10:43:12 PM »
Good idea, they would be available to everyone.
But unfortunately wouldn't work either without modification, because you only got the "hot" output available and in Stivep's group device you need the "cold" end to connect to the other transformer secondary.
If i remember correctly ignition coils have the primary and secondary connected, so it is kind of available, but not sure if it would work the same if you can put that thing into resonance in the same way.


Hey, yes, being that the hv coil in the ign coil does have the one end connected to the primary(series), then maybe with experimentation, a cap can be put across the primary to closely resemble the flyback shown.  Except it would have to be started electrically unless another coil is added inside the can for that.  Things are possible.    ;]

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e2matrix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7909 on: October 22, 2011, 10:50:13 PM »
Having said that I'm not lacking flybacks and recently found this big one from a 60" Sony big screen projection TV I scrapped out.  My cat wants to know what the second part of this flyback is as it seems to have 2 parts to it.  The second part has two small wires going into the epoxy filled box and two high voltage wires coming out of it.  If you can tell me what that part is I'll pass it along to my cat :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7910 on: October 22, 2011, 10:51:55 PM »
@Mannix and @all

So what do I have to do with my flyback transformer? Tear it open and remove the diodes since the WNY device did not have any and there are none shown in the diagram that @T-1000 posted days ago. So I have to remove the diodes. Doctor Welby, we'll have to operate. Hmmmmm. Will it survive the trauma is the question? lol

Interlude.................10 minutes later........

Well I tried using a hack saw blade and started sawing off an edge of the circuit side of the flyback transformer, but there is no way you can do it. It is all encapsulated in epoxy. The only other way is to use a hot air gun and melt away the material. This is highly unpractical and will surely result in damage to the coil wires that will require reconnection. So this is not a good idea to use standard flyback with the WNY diagram.

The youtube I referred to in my previous post shows a circuit, shows it sparking, and is doing it with the standard flyback without any internal modifications or diode removal, so maybe we need to marry that to the WNY diagram. I have put his diagram below since this is one way to do it.

We already know TK did it in many ways starting with the green box inverter, with car battery start up, to his plexi unit with the 9 volt startup. These all confirm that the initial ramp up method is not important. So to see the differences in units, we know the initial ramp up can vary, so what does  not change. The TK coil. So all that before the TK coil is mainly up to what is practicable while the TK coil remains an unchanged method. 

Creating the first spark can be accomplished in many ways. Tesla did it in the Tesla Ozone Patent using damped wave pulsing via a rotary switching method and his device produced sparks that we call corona discharge producing ozone gas. @T-1000 mentioned that his first vacuum spark gap is useful to hold in ozone gas and u.v. rays. There are many ozone circuits out there today that can do the same thing. Also there are countless U.V. lamp circuits that use high voltage as well. Being in the water treatment business I have a bunch of UV circuits in the shop so I will take a few on Monday and see what can be done. I think I have an older ozone generator as well. Guys can just contact your local water treatment company and ask them if they would have a few ozone or UV circuits they would like to donate for R&D.

What I am trying to say here is that just because @T-1000 had an old flyback, it does not mean that is the only solution to the first spark.

wattsup

Please try to replicate as close as possible with the right flyback configuration.
You may have difficulty tuning with the diode string in place and the encapsulated flybacks have screen grid and focus controls also tied to the hv dc section .

If you just want pulse dc, ok...but i think that this is about having  tuned loops where the coil configuration can do its "recycling"and pick up some friendly electrons on the way.

The analogy I like  is that we are creating  a little bit of our own lightning to tune into a bit more real lightning.

However right you may turn out to be , why play with the knowns at this point , when we are surrounded by so many unknowns, and so many interpretations...and a few typos!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7911 on: October 22, 2011, 11:13:38 PM »
Good idea, they would be available to everyone.
But unfortunately wouldn't work either without modification, because you only got the "hot" output available and in Stivep's group device you need the "cold" end to connect to the other transformer secondary.
If i remember correctly ignition coils have the primary and secondary connected, so it is kind of available, but not sure if it would work the same if you can put that thing into resonance in the same way.

Could you wire two ignition coils in some parallel manner to mimic a flyback?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7912 on: October 22, 2011, 11:19:33 PM »
@TheCell: May i ask what exactly you want to point out with the word "short-cut" in the spice schematic ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7913 on: October 22, 2011, 11:22:42 PM »
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i have got two of those ignition coils,

The ignition coil car has a resonance frequency very low
 ;D
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7914 on: October 22, 2011, 11:32:46 PM »
Sorry if this is not correctly translated .
A potential of 24 Volts is sent through 2 Base Emitter Diodes that would normally have a Voltage across 0,7 each , resulting in a much to high base current.
I meant to say shorting the poles of a battery or power supply, with almost no resistance.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7915 on: October 22, 2011, 11:49:53 PM »
1st picture
i have just tested this to see the main idea behind the flyback transformers, i made this little 1 now,  it is just two coils interconnected , secondary wire is too thick for being a real flyback, and not many turns..  but i tuned it to find the resonant frequency, and it is 190 khz, and it sparks just like a flyback with one wire, spark is tiny,
Note that the input power is very low too.
the high resonant frequency is due to small amount of turns of wire, one has to be very high inductance to get lower resonant frequency.
this is just to show you how easy it is to create a flyback transformer.


2nd picture

To those who cant get diodeless flyback, just make your own     


1. i suggest you to get low loss core from TV transformer,

2. Cut unwanted part of Low loss core by a tile cutter (if you have 1) it has a diamond edge and can easily cut through it like butter. the tile cutter circulates water and the core will not overheat.  and there you have your -->   []  shape   

i know not many of you actually have a tile cutter, you can cut apart a tv flyback carefully to take out only the core

get Thin wire out of about 3 220 volt to 12 volt mini adapters
use the SMALLESt possible adapters, like phone charger adapter...
dip secondary coil in low temperature candle wax a few times, the one which is white and not soft.
place your secondary coils on 1 side and so of course primary on other.
handle your secondaries with care because the wire is so thin in them that you can barely see it, and i have just dropped 1 down by accident and the coil damaged, once you drop it, it might become useless..
you can try several connections/interconnections beetwen coils,  you can play with frequency etc.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7916 on: October 23, 2011, 12:07:25 AM »
Having said that I'm not lacking flybacks and recently found this big one from a 60" Sony big screen projection TV I scrapped out.  My cat wants to know what the second part of this flyback is as it seems to have 2 parts to it.  The second part has two small wires going into the epoxy filled box and two high voltage wires coming out of it.  If you can tell me what that part is I'll pass it along to my cat :)

Try finding the part here http://www.donberg.ie/catalogue/ and you might find
the schematic for it. In the black & white TV times there used to be the flyback transformer followed by what was called a trippler so, you may have a similar configuration.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7917 on: October 23, 2011, 02:53:36 AM »

@e2matrix
That second part is the voltage multiplier.  I would hang on to that, they are hard to find.
Most flybacks today have the multiplier built in to the same case, so you can't get it out.
You have the perfect flyback for this project, because that one should put out AC before the multiplier,
so you can connect the AV Plug directly to it.

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« Reply #7918 on: October 23, 2011, 03:13:18 AM »
Found this site for HV Transformers and flyback type Transformers.
http://www.amazing1.com/transformers.htm

Magluvin

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #7919 on: October 23, 2011, 04:00:33 AM »
Found this site for HV Transformers and flyback type Transformers.
http://www.amazing1.com/transformers.htm


Very Nice!  They have a 30kv that looks very similar to the one used in the vid.  $59

Mags