Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze (Read 16599346 times)

the_big_m_in_ok · « **Reply #1635 on:** May 10, 2010, 09:04:35 PM »

Quote from: znel on May 10, 2010, 08:37:15 PM

I put tin foil on the very top portion of the bulb so there was a 1.5 to 2 inch distance between the base and foil. The actual discharge is inside the bulb similar to a plasma globe.

Wow. And this thing has the same effective function as a capacitor?
If it has an "arc" internally, that would be something different than how a capacitor works. Capacitors don't act like resistors, which do consume electricity and generate heat by actually resisting the electron flow, for example. A spark gap does create arc to perform its designed function.
--Lee

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #1636 on:** May 11, 2010, 02:30:40 AM »

Quote from: forest on May 10, 2010, 12:22:22 PM

Maybe frequency is different ? I recall user bolt talked about that. With low frequency 50-400hz energy is pulled from ground while in khz it is taken from air. The same was Don Smith talking about.

There is no foundation or experimental backing for that userÂ´s statement in exactly that differentiation, its speculative and contradictive to what Smith sais or should i say Smith contradicts himself (nothing new) and thereby confuses people?
Why does Don Smith mention on multiple occasions that the "amps" come through the earth ground and why does he emphasize that grounding the center tap is important for the electrons to enter, if it would be just enough to "pull the electrons out of the air" ? His systems pretty much all run higher than 50-400 Hz and all of them are grounded that way.
He does aditionally ALSO mention that due to the high frequency nature of his coils that excited electrons from the air can be stored in the caps, so DOES Kapanadze mention the energy entering between the coils (read the patents, he does not talk about the earth ground there).
So now you decide what to believe.

baroutologos · « **Reply #1637 on:** May 11, 2010, 06:26:15 PM »

With all these contradicting theories and a total lack of credibility, its hard to believe anything at all seriously.

By the way, wondering in russian forums i encountered an answer supposed of SR towards a member urging for the spread of this technology for the common good.
http://next-energy.ru/forum/index.php?topic=26.msg3313#msg3313

Its a real pity, assuming that this person knows anything of value, that key technology is buried with stucked minds. More or less he condems merchantile interest in this field despite of promoting well being and easier life.

What is the wrong with that i wonder if someone promotes such technology and makes a decent living?.

gauschor · « **Reply #1638 on:** May 11, 2010, 11:02:38 PM »

Any news from our russian friends? I tried to read the dynatron collected messages but was unable to understand much. The google translation is really messy...
So basically this circuit looks very simple... some coil, some diodes, some caps... Anyone got this circuit to work?

@Znel: is the resonant circuit strong enough so you could add some kind of pickup coil.. or how would one collect the energy?

Is it possible to connect a battery charger on the output or a small e-motor? Or would the resonance effect vanish then?

znel · « **Reply #1639 on:** May 12, 2010, 02:05:38 AM »

Quote from: gauschor on May 11, 2010, 11:02:38 PM

@Znel: is the resonant circuit strong enough so you could add some kind of pickup coil.. or how would one collect the energy?

Is it possible to connect a A on the output or a small e-motor? Or would the resonance effect vanish then?

It's actually quite small right now, I built it to prove out a theory. It runs on 10 volts at 30ma and drives 48 LED's from the main ring wired in parallel. I'm sure a larger version of it could do something useful.

It's actually stupid simple and basically a transformer tank circuit driven by a PWM. Has the same characteristics of the Tesla hairpin and will drive a load anywhere on the ring. The main coil is basically 3 turns through the center and 5 turns around the outer diameter about 70uh, the ring is a 1/8 inch copper tube 6 inches in diameter 20uh with a 1uf cap between the split end. The PWM is set to drive the coil at 7khz with a 1.6 to 2.9% duty cycle. The 555 PWM's are kind of power hungry and didn't work well with the set up and I started playing with a Velleman PWM kit and they work very well and are very efficient.

I built a few of them before I actually got the results I was looking for, this one works well. The LED's are wired in parallel and there is about 1.25 amps cirulating in the ring. Also the ring is polarized, there is a pos and neg side as it works more like a DC current pump in the ring. Very little voltage in the ring.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #1640 on:** May 12, 2010, 02:34:34 AM »

znel:

Very nice. That looks a lot like a type of joule thief circuit only solid state. Did you know that with a very simple JT circuit you can light 400 leds and more on just 1.5 volts input? No timer circuit just a small 2n3904 transistor, or a 3055 if using a larger ferrite toroid. The amp draw on these circuits is very low too if you make it into a tank circuit.

Just passing this on in case you had not heard of them.

Bill

znel · « **Reply #1641 on:** May 12, 2010, 04:18:53 AM »

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znel:

Very nice. That looks a lot like a type of joule thief circuit only solid state. Did you know that with a very simple JT circuit you can light 400 leds and more on just 1.5 volts input? No timer circuit just a small 2n3904 transistor, or a 3055 if using a larger ferrite toroid. The amp draw on these circuits is very low too if you make it into a tank circuit.

Just passing this on in case you had not heard of them.

Bill
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Yes, I've played with the JT's as well, never with that many LED's though. Their fun little circuits indeed ! I was looking for a different kind of response with this one and it turned out a little better than I had expected. The LED's were handy and I needed a load on the ring. It does a good job with the 3v light bulbs as well although it won't run as many of them. But... reguardless the load the resonance isn't affected. That circuit goes with the odd tripple frequency scope shot I posted a page before.

It served it's purpose for what I needed to learn I'm off on another adventure....

gauschor · « **Reply #1642 on:** May 12, 2010, 01:08:37 PM »

I have watched again some of the (bad quality) clips of Kapanadze, but what I can see there is, only some fluorescent/energy saving lamps are powered. Nothing else.
This remembers me a lot of the optimized JouleThief results. Therefore I am doubting that this power is *real* Watts. I'm afraid it's maybe not even enough to power a small E-Motor, neither a cooker or fridge in a house...
To lighten up 10 fluorscent bulbs still proves nothing if the type of current is unusable...

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #1643 on:** May 12, 2010, 03:47:54 PM »

Quote from: gauschor on May 12, 2010, 01:08:37 PM

I have watched again some of the (bad quality) clips of Kapanadze, but what I can see there is, only some fluorescent/energy saving lamps are powered. Nothing else.
This remembers me a lot of the optimized JouleThief results. Therefore I am doubting that this power is *real* Watts. I'm afraid it's maybe not even enough to power a small E-Motor, neither a cooker or fridge in a house...

You should then watch ALL of the Kapanadze clips and not only "some".
You will then see motors, electric heaters and non-flourescent bulbs being powered. In fact, there is no clip out there where he lights anything else than ordinary bulbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNvJxng7fnA

Forget Joule Thiefs, nothing to do with it.

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To lighten up 10 fluorscent bulbs still proves nothing if the type of current is unusable...

So 20 amps as measured in the outdoor demonstration with a clamp ampmeter are unusable current ?!

gauschor · « **Reply #1644 on:** May 12, 2010, 04:16:47 PM »

Again I can see nothing on the posted video that clears up anything but a bunch of people standing around some ... some green boxes, some black boxes... Sorry, this proves nothing.

We've had already enough of these kind of types already. And yes there is similarity to the Joulethief, because from the posted circuit this looks like a resonance circuit which is not that very different from a JT RC.

And where is the video which shows 20 amperage? What I can see here at this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV560xfYSJ0 shows not any amperage at all... creating sparks is no miraculous thing at all if you take a wimshurst...

We need better proof, because this is kinda lame...

Also: if you light up 20 energie saving lights with a lightness equal to 100 watt of a "real" bulbs is not the same as 2KW of power, because they need way less amperage... So again it is likely these bulbs are light up the same way like the JTs with voltage peaks only - which in fact are NOT usable for other purpose than lighting.

Please prove me wrong...

baroutologos · « **Reply #1645 on:** May 12, 2010, 04:18:20 PM »

Hello Xeno,

From what i read from our russian colleagues, tthey try to aswer the question of the huge non RF amperage flowing from ground to device. IMO this question alone holds 90% of device's mystery.

edit: According also to Kapanadze green box demonstration, he makes a direct correlation between ground quality (water pipe vs buried radiator) which is logical if a huge current movement is wanted.

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #1646 on:** May 12, 2010, 05:08:10 PM »

Quote from: gauschor on May 12, 2010, 04:16:47 PM

And yes there is similarity to the Joulethief, because from the posted circuit this looks like a resonance circuit which is not that very different from a JT RC.

And who do you think has drawn the circuit? You think that is the real deal lol ? If so then we would have hundreds of 5 kW devices already.
There is no parametric resonance.

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And where is the video which shows 20 amperage? What I can see here at this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV560xfYSJ0 shows not any amperage at all... creating sparks is no miraculous thing at all if you take a wimshurst...

As i said earlier you should watch ALL reference videos and not just one.
But if you need it spoon-fed, here you go at 2:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImXCEev1nUY&feature=PlayList&p=395F0D35A81F40CF&playnext_from=PL&index=2&playnext=2

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Also: if you light up 20 energie saving lights with a lightness equal to 100 watt of a "real" bulbs is not the same as 2KW of power, because they need way less amperage... So again it is likely these bulbs are light up the same way like the JTs with voltage peaks only - which in fact are NOT usable for other purpose than lighting.

What you say is correct, but since Kapanadze doesnÂ´t use energy saving bulbs, there is no point in discussing that.

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Please prove me wrong...

But you know "whatever". No-one forces you to believe anything or wants to convince you of anything. Believe what you want

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Hello Xeno,

From what i read from our russian colleagues, tthey try to aswer the question of the huge non RF amperage flowing from ground to device. IMO this question alone holds 90% of device's mystery.

edit: According also to Kapanadze green box demonstration, he makes a direct correlation between ground quality (water pipe vs buried radiator) which is logical if a huge current movement is wanted.

Hey Baroutologos,
i regard the ground just as a potential.
The current is being amplified in the coil (The key is the winding scheme of the coil) .
With a lower resistance to earth ground, logically more current can flow.
ThatÂ´s why the water pipe conducts better and yields a higher amperage.

gauschor · « **Reply #1647 on:** May 12, 2010, 06:10:23 PM »

You know these kind of videos get old... How come this "invention" has been around for over a year and not seen scientific inspection except some bad movies. Now there are reasons:

1) They want it patented first
2) If the patent office does not permit the device the only thing they can do is to spread the technology freely into the world. Obviously they know the internet, writing, moviemaking etc. so I see no problem in there.
3) They are making a mistake in way or the other (e.g. a powerline in the ground) and in fact it does not work as mentioned, therefore the patent office declines.

Also this kind of movie making is too dirty... 30 people standing around, showing some weird effect in the dirt, battery standing around, a green box where you can't see what is in it....it is always the same with such kind of inventions...

It definitely does not get more convincing if you show a multiple of these bad made movies... really... this is pathetic. If you want to believe it, xeno, there is a lot of these things around but for now no one has come up with something really useful... And believe me: it's not because the government suppresses technology. If people really invent such things they could spread the technology with the help of the internet so fast, that the government has not a single chance to stop it.

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #1648 on:** May 12, 2010, 06:51:18 PM »

@Gauschor:
What exactly is it actually that you want to contribute to this thread?
Your state of knowledge about the subject seems to be very superficial.

You have not even read 5 % of the thread, otherwise you would know that
Kapanadze has 2 patents on his devices.
Patent WO/2008/103129 and WO/2008/103130

Have you considered joining the constructive discussion on what could be happening in the device instead of throwing it off without even having invested the effort to research the entire matter?

gauschor · « **Reply #1649 on:** May 12, 2010, 07:09:35 PM »

I have contributed my thought that many of you people should put off their pink glasses and start to judge such "inventions" more critical; I also added that these movies are not convincing or proving anything at all. If you, xeno, believe they prove something, then you have absolutely no idea of how to present topics more scientifically.

And why I haven't read 60 pages? Do I need to read a 800 page topic on how a JT works or not works? No I don't. I can see no one of you was able to replicate this device with the spare information given. So how about that, xenomorph: you say that it is ridiculous to feed people with the babyspoon, still you weren't able to replicate the device yourself, although there are patents?! How come that?
You put yourself in arrogance, still you remain in ignorance...

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