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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16534674 times)

xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1650 on: May 12, 2010, 07:49:21 PM »
I am participating in this thread to discuss the functionality of the device with all the people competent enough to share some thoughts on how it could work.
There is always a few people that want to keep others from doing so and coerce them into taking over their opinions being the only truth.
If someone doesn´t believe that Kapanadze´s device works, then why does he bother browsing and posting in a thread called "Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze". It´s probably an urge to control others and to not let them decide freely for themselves what they choose to believe in or not in a free society...

Anyway, i am not here to flame. I want to discuss the device and ONLY the device (being the sole focus of my interest).




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gyulasun

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1651 on: May 12, 2010, 08:34:02 PM »
Quote from: znel on May 12, 2010, 02:05:38 AM
It's actually quite small right now, I built it to prove out a theory.   It runs on 10 volts at 30ma and drives 48 LED's from the main ring wired in parallel.   I'm sure a larger version of it could do something useful. 

It's actually stupid simple and basically a transformer tank circuit driven by a PWM.  Has the same characteristics of the Tesla hairpin and will drive a load anywhere on the ring.  The main coil is basically 3 turns through the center and 5 turns around the outer diameter about 70uh, the ring is a 1/8 inch copper tube 6 inches in diameter 20uh with a 1uf cap between the split end.   The PWM is set to drive the coil at 7khz with a 1.6 to 2.9% duty cycle.   The 555 PWM's are kind of power hungry and didn't work well with the set up and I started playing with a Velleman PWM kit and they work very well and are very efficient. 

I built a few of them before I actually got the results I was looking for, this one works well.  The LED's are wired in parallel and there is about 1.25 amps cirulating in the ring.   Also the ring is polarized, there is a pos and neg side as it works more like a DC current pump in the ring.   Very little voltage in the ring.

Hi Znel,

Very interesting setup, thanks for showing it and would you mind answering some questions please.

The pwm and the switch is ok, what I cannot see is how the 5 turn coil is connected to the circuit, do you mean that the 3 turn coil continues in the 5 turn coil and together they are the main coil of the 70uH? (that makes sense to me).

You resonate the 20uH copper ring at about the 7th harmonic with the 1uF cap, is that deliberately the 7th? The 3rd or the 5th harmonic is not yet good?
Maybe the resonant voltages would be too high at the lower harmonics?

You connected all the LEDs in parallel and they are all connected also in paralell with the 1uF capacitor, right?
Do the LEDs not ruin the resonant Q of the tank circuit? (It is true they can conduct in every second half cycles when they sense forward bias polarity, this may make the output power consideration a bit decisive for some tinkerer.)

How did you sense you were tuning for a current node? A LED brights up for both increasing its current or increasing its forward voltage (the two is interrelated).
On the ring's polarization (positive and negative) you mean the two ends of the ring to which the LEDs and the 1uF are tied to?

Sorry for the several questions I like this circuit  :)

rgds,  Gyula
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znel

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1652 on: May 12, 2010, 10:10:11 PM »
Quote from: gyulasun on May 12, 2010, 08:34:02 PM
Hi Znel,

Very interesting setup, thanks for showing it and would you mind answering some questions please.

The pwm and the switch is ok, what I cannot see is how the 5 turn coil is connected to the circuit, do you mean that the 3 turn coil continues in the 5 turn coil and together they are the main coil of the 70uH? (that makes sense to me).

You resonate the 20uH copper ring at about the 7th harmonic with the 1uF cap, is that deliberately the 7th? The 3rd or the 5th harmonic is not yet good?
Maybe the resonant voltages would be too high at the lower harmonics?

You connected all the LEDs in parallel and they are all connected also in paralell with the 1uF capacitor, right?
Do the LEDs not ruin the resonant Q of the tank circuit? (It is true they can conduct in every second half cycles when they sense forward bias polarity, this may make the output power consideration a bit decisive for some tinkerer.)

How did you sense you were tuning for a current node? A LED brights up for both increasing its current or increasing its forward voltage (the two is interrelated).
On the ring's polarization (positive and negative) you mean the two ends of the ring to which the LEDs and the 1uF are tied to?

Sorry for the several questions I like this circuit  :)

rgds,  Gyula

You have the main coil right, 3 turns through the center and 5 turns around the outer diameter to make up the 70uh.  The two leads are connected to the PWM + and - output. 

The Velleman controller is limited in frequencies peaking at around 7khz.   I'm not able to push it into other harmonics with that unit.   Nothing lower seems to work.

There are no "nodes" on the ring, it will power the LED's connected anywhere.  The 2 ends of the ring protruding from the ferrite core are polarized and the LED's will only light one way.  One side becomes pos and the other neg.    I found this rather odd as the scope shows the ring down as an AC wave.

Any load on the ring doesn't affect the resonance and doesn't change or alter the wave pattern.
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gauschor

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1653 on: May 12, 2010, 10:21:31 PM »
@xeno: sorry, I don't want flamewars either, it's just annoying that for dozens of years every so called inventor makes bad movies or explains nothing and then vanishes again... it looks like the same will happen with Kapanadze since there was no real update for a long time. Unfortunately guesswork has never led to a successful replication.

However back to this device there is 1 thing I find interesting: so that this is supposed to be a RC it seems he can pull a lot of electrons through the ground wire to keep his resonance circuit alive. If I remember Tesla correctly he always suggested on some of his sketches to use a negative connection that goes deep into the ground... e.g. a long metal stick into the earth (2-5 meters deep? or more...). It is told, that this has not the same effect as the ground lug on today's power outlets (in our homes). This statement of Tesla seems to apply when Kapanadze buries the radiator into the ground or connects a wire of his device to a fountain pipe (which also goes deep into the ground).
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sigmaX

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1654 on: May 12, 2010, 10:56:03 PM »
Maybe offtopic ... but: A mini Kapanadze charger ? :)

http://www.physorg.com/news182595455.html

"...Harvesting electricity from signals in the air is not new, as anyone who ever built a crystal radio running only on the radio signals it received can testify, but until now no device has been able to harvest enough electricity to make it of practical use. In most modern cities WiFi signal hotspots abound, which might make the Airenergy device a viable option, although in rural areas WiFi sources are less widespread."

From engadget:

"...As if we weren't intrigued already, they told us that they're planning on building the tech into actual cellphone batteries, so you would theoretically never need to plug in again and your device would always be topped off. Yeah, we want."
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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1655 on: May 12, 2010, 10:58:46 PM »

Many if not most discoveries occur while doing other research or simply by accident.

I find its best to stay out of the way of accidents.

Regards...

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gyulasun

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1656 on: May 13, 2010, 12:12:13 AM »
Quote from: znel on May 12, 2010, 10:10:11 PM
You have the main coil right, 3 turns through the center and 5 turns around the outer diameter to make up the 70uh.  The two leads are connected to the PWM + and - output. 

The Velleman controller is limited in frequencies peaking at around 7khz.   I'm not able to push it into other harmonics with that unit.   Nothing lower seems to work.

There are no "nodes" on the ring, it will power the LED's connected anywhere.  The 2 ends of the ring protruding from the ferrite core are polarized and the LED's will only light one way.  One side becomes pos and the other neg.    I found this rather odd as the scope shows the ring down as an AC wave.

Any load on the ring doesn't affect the resonance and doesn't change or alter the wave pattern.

Hi Znel,

Thanks.  Have you considered using the CMOS version of the 555 timer, like TLC555 or LMC555?  They consume much less than the bipolar 555 does, pin compatible and work up to at least 2MHz in astable mode.
Earlier I uploaded a schematic on an independently variable duty cycle-output frequency timer with it, see this link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8597.msg234095#msg234095
It is based on an Electronics Design article:
http://electronicdesign.com/article/components/a-new-stable-rc-pulse-generator6235.aspx

Regarding the polarity of the ring:  there must be an assymetrical voltage waveform in the ring I mean with respect to the zero voltage line either above or below it the waveform have a higher than 3.1V peak voltage than at the other side so that the LEDs can conduct as forward biased diodes in one direction only.
This assymetry must come from the big pulse the mains coil collapsing flux creates at switch-off and it seems rule at the higher harmonics too. 
(If the waveform in the ring had a higher than 3.1V peak voltage value both over and below the zero line the LEDs would shine in any direction.)  Am I mistaken?

Thanks,  Gyula
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sigis

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1657 on: May 13, 2010, 08:20:39 PM »
Hi, I made replica of Dynatron. Working without ferrite. Small gap sparks ticking about minute or more without power. But it looks that energy going from charged HV capacitor. But in any case very interesting circuit. Experiment you can see on: http://www.youtube.com/sigitask
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baroutologos

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1658 on: May 14, 2010, 09:00:13 AM »
@Sigis,

nice experimental setup and findings. By the way i do not think either it is OU as it is, even thought this is quite interesting phenomenon.
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sigis

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1659 on: May 14, 2010, 12:07:57 PM »
Today I connected spark gap direct to capacitor, everything working in the same manner. Disconnected coil, and conected  peace 5 meters of two wire cable, working well! Coil is not necessary. But if I replace cable with capacitor 500pF , not working. I think effect is connected with collecting charges in polyvinyl insulation of cable.
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baroutologos

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1660 on: May 14, 2010, 01:36:10 PM »
@Sigis,

As i noob-suspeculated in my similar experience, without being sure it gives me the impression that has to do with dielectric relation.

that means, the two wires store energy as capacitors but they cannot send it out at once as caps do, rather little by little. Of course i can be totally wrong here, but that what i sense.
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Judges

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1661 on: May 17, 2010, 07:07:44 PM »

Today I connected spark gap direct to capacitor, everything working in the same manner. Disconnected coil, and conected  peace 5 meters of two wire cable, working well! Coil is not necessary. But if I replace cable with capacitor 500pF , not working. I think effect is connected with collecting charges in polyvinyl insulation of cable.

Excuse my ignorance here but,is their any reason to think this
"Will Not " work in a vacuum?
Better stated would have been,
Will this work in a Vacuum?
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sigis

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1662 on: May 18, 2010, 09:55:18 AM »
Hi, I think is no big difference with vacuum, just only that that sparks in vacuum is not possible.
Sigitas.
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baroutologos

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1663 on: May 19, 2010, 12:59:09 PM »
Again this device sinks into oblivion.
I am well disappointed over the whole issue. I now really doubt it can work anyway.
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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1664 on: May 19, 2010, 01:06:08 PM »

Don't be disappointed Bart...situations like this have been created to discourage people like yourself from effecting positive change.

Regards...

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