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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16594252 times)

exnihiloest

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1815 on: June 08, 2010, 10:54:53 AM »
...Never the output lamps he ever put have achieved full brightness.
Now, the "2Kw" video shows lamps smoldering, making difficult even to tell if the COP is close to unity.
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Anyway. The whole projects is a bit mess till now. What's the displacement current's real role there, how grounds contribute and why does not match impedance is a question mark.

Hi baroutologos

I share your opinion.
Firstly, experimental evidence of OU is not given. Even if light bulbs were very bright, reverse HF currents towards the electric grid can totally disturb the power measurement (this phenomenon has been used to defraud the electricity providers by reducing the apparent consumption measured by house wattmeters when the wattmeter principle is based on induced current in a disk).

Secondly a theory based on displacement currents can't explain OU.
In the atoms of a dielectric, an electric field shifts the electronic cloud. As the electrons are no more centered around their positive nucleus, atoms act like dipoles. If the electric field is changing, these dipoles align along the electric field, causing the displacement currents.
But this current is not a "free current". It can be easily viewed considering capacitors: we need more energy to charge a capacitor when we have replaced air between plates by a matter of higher permittivity. This is because the dielectric stores energy, that energy used to do work for shifting the electrons.
Sure, a wave of displacement currents through a dielectric doesn't consume energy, unlike a current in a (not superconducting) conductor: AC current in a capacitor proves it. Nevertheless this current do not produce useful work. Thus displacement currents are not enough to explain the Kananadze's device principle. May be they are not even needed.

Only a looped device could be convincing.




 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1816 on: June 08, 2010, 11:25:10 AM »
in parallel with the lamps Gas-Discharge protection?


xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1817 on: June 08, 2010, 01:24:06 PM »
in parallel with the lamps Gas-Discharge protection?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg243870#msg243870


According to the lecturer from the posted videos, the magnetic field created by the displacement current is bigger then the magnetic field created by the current in the wire around the wire. That could be the advantage of using displacement currents. Apart from that i also don´t
see yet where this comes into play in the actual device. Maybe applied to the "earth capacitor" model?

Naudin would be better off using big headlines in his videos like
"I DO NOT CLAIM OU !", because otherwise people don´t get it into their heads, that he never did lol.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1818 on: June 08, 2010, 02:17:42 PM »
in parallel with the lamps Gas-Discharge protection?

I understand the attraction to these arrestors. Several years ago when I was trying to get lower spark gap voltages
(120 to 250 volts) I ordered these things from about 3 different manufacturers. They are a great deal slower than a
spark gap and they then will tend to dissipate some heat. From memory, their reaction times where micro seconds
as opposed to nano seconds.

Take care.

nap

wings

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1819 on: June 08, 2010, 03:12:17 PM »
other replication from "dragon" here with circuit diagram - "running a small 40 watt bulb at around 7 watts of input"

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5756-my-smith-kanapadz-replication-3.html#post98477

Zic Hailev

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1820 on: June 08, 2010, 06:30:44 PM »
Colleagues, and what inside of the coil Naydine, what for a rod{core} who can explain from what it{he} consists?
I from Ukraine!!!, excuse for my English!

bolt

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1821 on: June 08, 2010, 07:49:10 PM »
Colleagues, and what inside of the coil Naydine, what for a rod{core} who can explain from what it{he} consists?
I from Ukraine!!!, excuse for my English!

In Naudin system probably only thick copper wire but coupling can be improved using 5 ferrite toroidal  cores through which the thick wire passes through the center of each core.

Please avoid using microwave oven transformer its VERY dangerous and they have no self current limit. Use car coil or NST instead.

bolt

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1822 on: June 08, 2010, 07:53:31 PM »
I understand the attraction to these arrestors. Several years ago when I was trying to get lower spark gap voltages
(120 to 250 volts) I ordered these things from about 3 different manufacturers. They are a great deal slower than a
spark gap and they then will tend to dissipate some heat. From memory, their reaction times where micro seconds
as opposed to nano seconds.

Take care.

nap

speed don't matter they are used as a regulator to ensure each bulb only gets no more then 250 volts. Without these and slight miscalculation on coil ratio will blow all these bulbs in half a second.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1823 on: June 08, 2010, 08:26:21 PM »
In Naudin system probably only thick copper wire but coupling A using 5 ferrite toroidal  cores through which the thick wire passes through the center of each core.

Please avoid using microwave oven transformer its VERY dangerous and they have no self current limit. Use car coil or NST instead.

Interesting idea.

Has anyone tired this? 


xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1824 on: June 08, 2010, 08:39:22 PM »
Interesting idea.

Has anyone tired this?

Yes, about a couple of hundred people after SR revealed that he used ferrite toroids for his core ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1825 on: June 08, 2010, 08:47:10 PM »
Yes, about a couple of hundred people after SR revealed that he used ferrite toroids for his core ;)

I missed that, who is SR?   :)

Did he also sucessfully reproduced the Kapanadze device?

xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1826 on: June 08, 2010, 08:59:50 PM »
I missed that, who is SR?   :)

Did he also sucessfully reproduced the Kapanadze device?

If you find some time, just read through the last 50 pages and you will see his replication discussed:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg238598#msg238598

Zic Hailev

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1827 on: June 08, 2010, 09:34:32 PM »
In Naudin system probably only thick copper wire but coupling can be improved using 5 ferrite toroidal  cores through which the thick wire passes through the center of each core.

Please avoid using microwave oven transformer its VERY dangerous and they have no self current limit. Use car coil or NST instead.
And instead of the transformer from a microwave (MOT) it is possible to use automobile coils of ignition it too the transformer only other design.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2010, 10:36:35 PM by Zic Hailev »

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1828 on: June 08, 2010, 09:55:46 PM »
You can find the beginnings of Naudin's Kapagen page at http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/
A few more pictures of the setup there, sadly no schematics or description yet
@all
These guys are trying different experimental things, and in the later pages, they devote attention to Kapanadze in particular:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5756-my-smith-kanapadz-replication.html

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #1829 on: June 08, 2010, 10:48:26 PM »
I saw the progress made today Naudin made.

He uploaded the "2Kw" video and gave two links on MIT lecture concerning displacement current in general and in a capacitor in specific accompanied with a lot of mathematic formulas.

On the first,
i just do not get what Naudin is trying to show. From his initial experiments his device suffers from "impedance" match. Never the output lamps he ever put have achieved full brightness.
Now, the "2Kw" video shows lamps smoldering, making difficult even to tell if the COP is close to unity.
(If i were Naudin, i would try via capacitors to impedance match the load to nominal brightness and then make statements as 2Kw.)

Anyway. The whole projects is a bit mess till now. What's the displacement current's real role there, how grounds contribute and why does not match impedance is a question mark.

I would say it is OU... Do you really think its possible to lit up 2100W lamps in daylight to such intensity with 200W ?