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Farmhand

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12150 on: June 24, 2012, 10:58:12 PM »
To all the guys with some electronic  experience or knowledge/training.
How about some of you choose an inexperienced experimenter and mentor that experimenter.
Help the person with technical assistance on a one to one basis, encourage them to think and learn.
Teach !

I see a lot of folks struggling, myself included to build the circuits we need to experiment.
There are two main aspects here, the principals and the methods to execute them.

We can all come up with theories of principals, that's the easy part. Building the hardware
to test things with and experiment without constant frustration is difficult.

What's needed in my opinion on these forums is not more opinions and untested theories.
What I think is needed is more experiments and testing stuff out, cooperation and helping.

Everyone wants to jump straight in the deep end without learning how to swim, then call out for help.
Why not learn how to swim first, then jump in.

We need to work together, and be able to recognize what is worthwhile investigating.
That requires real world experience, knowledge and experiment/testing.

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Farmhand

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12151 on: June 24, 2012, 11:22:14 PM »
Including the energy that was expended to produce the solar panel?

P.S.  @ all
This is a technical thread and not a place for psychoanalysis, sociology and bureaucracy (patents).  I have a lot to say about those matters too, but I keep it down to private messages, as not to distract the engineers and scientists here from technical details.

Moot point, if the energy to create the device is to be considered for a solar panel it should be considered for all other devices as well.
My assertion still stands, and I think it is a valid point and on topic.

I was making a point related to the devices in this thread. Like it or not.
Are you a moderator ? I do agree there are way too many off topic posts in all the threads pretty much.

The focus is on activity and visits with most of these sites I think, for the advertising revenue I believe.
It's a conflict of interest that is troubling.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12152 on: June 24, 2012, 11:26:01 PM »
As far as I am concerned it is you who does no experiments, you just waffle on.
You called me a troll and I am not so from now on after this post I will consider you a paid shill and ignore you.
I've built plenty of things and of my own design and they work as well, but my objective is not to gain energy from nothing.
You say I poisoned energetic forum. Haha poisoned it with what ? The truth !
You don't get to tell me where I go and what I do so check your ego sonny.
I encourage people to work it out. What I see is people just believing something is possible and try a million things
while encouraging others to think like them. I've exposed and explained a few things as fakes and how they are faked or could be
most don't like to accept the truth and so call me a troll. Their bad.
No one does themselves any favors by being gullible. The more I learn the more I can see how much BS is going on and who is doing it.
Where are your experiments ? Show us some.
Why is it not possible that Tariel is transmitting his own  energy from his own transmitter, and what we see is the receiver and the receiver only.
For any demonstration to be valid it must be done with a third party skilled to tell if there is
an undisclosed input or the experiment should be conducted at a neutral location. But Tariel doesn't want to share his device details does he.

I think it is important for people to say if they think something is a fake and how that could be so. That way there are less people taken into scams.
There are many scams and fakes are there not ?

I have a busted back and suffer agony every day but at the moment I am working on a picaxe controlled solar charge controller
that can make better use of low light and rain conditions to rejuvinate the battery during rain and low light, it uses a boost function
it kicks a regular charge controllers ASS in low light. I designed it myself built it myself and learned the code so I could write my own
programs. And I did and it works.  I am learning and building stuff that is useful.

You go away.

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 If it bothers you so much then why bother.


 I have done many many experiments and have tried what you backyard technicians has stated. You go around and poison the boards by spewing your crap.


When I was 15 I started with CB's and learned everything I could about that process. Including making antenna's out of my central heating ducts that allowed me to transmit over 150 miles with ease. After that  I had gotten my electronics technician degree and after that I fell into a rather good job as a computer hardware technician. Actually the best in my area. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else.


 I also have many certifications to attest that. I do experiments all the time and even did them on the EF before I called out Aaron about his greed and his choice of words that described his open to public forum which is nothing more then an advertisement for the garbage he pushes.


 I'm a paid shill? Who is paying me? Because Now that my back has given way I can't work anymore. Scoliosis is a very debilitating disease and unfortunately I have grown old and it has gotten worse. You guys throw all this tripe around like it means something Mr. backyard technician who knows little but what the real shills tell you. The real shills is Aaron and his ilk that bleed you guys dry. They do nothing but take things from here and there and without understanding one iota of electronics and the electrical phenomena make it there own and repackage it to sell. I on the other hand sell nothing. So keep buying what they are selling and wasting your time.


 For someone who has 13 or so posts on this forum you speak volumes of the ignorance you spread.


 We must be onto something here because you came here to target us.. What, did Aaron get to you too? Too bad. You are being a disruptive influence already and the others who are working on the smith device booted you from there(EF) didn't they? Or at least shamed you into leaving them alone. And now you come here to try your crap here.

 Nothing is gonna stop us Farmhand so don't bother...

 In fact I don't believe in "Free" energy like they are talking about. It is all a system that works no matter if we are here or not. It's what powers the whole Universe. In order to understand that you must make references to that system because you are working in that system. Yes I can get sidetracked by my dissatisfaction of the established powers to be. And yes it comes out in my posts but we need to change the way we think. Most think in current but that is not what runs everything. If that was the case then everything would grind to a halt. But if you use the only other component of power, Voltage , then you have nothing to loose. It's a very slippery slope but if used right has the power of the universe behind it.

 As some are finding out it isn't equal balance that runs it all. The main medium must be lossless if it is not then even light would not propagate in space and we wouldn't be able to see the stars but we can see them.

 But I leave it up to the group. If what I am saying or doing doesn't harmonize with the group then they and not you with only 13 posts get the say as to weather I'm staying here or not. You in my opinion is just a farmhand with no name. At least my tag is my name and is not a handle I am hiding behind.

 What have you exposed as a fake? How do you know it is a fake and what did you base that on? What, your flawed replicationb. Even I can design poorly working systems and say it does work. So the proof is in doing your own work like I have done in many many experiments on vast subjects like crystal batteries to the jewel thief attached to a captret and many many more subjects. Just because you failed at an experiment doesn't mean it doesn't work. It could just be user error. Which is very common when you have little knowledge of the real system.

 jbignes5
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« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 12:30:16 AM by jbignes5 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12153 on: June 25, 2012, 12:43:40 AM »
jbignes5 , Farmhand Getting angry on each other does not lead anythere.. Please stop wasting everyone's time. It would be another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel story in the end.

There are real things to test in experiments instead:

1) How high voltage discharge from spark gap affect in curent transformer on 90 degrees to transformer coils on ferrite  (smells like http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/k32.gif - just HV goes into ground there over length of selenoid);
2) Otto's TPU and our yoke device relationship on NMR and possible missing 90 degrees shielding coils in our yoke experiment;
3) Ionization + secondary emission in negatively charged gas with electrons gain in system (EV Gray main system function is ION VALVE - http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/energy0/adamsky_energy_circuit.html );
4) Magnetic resonance (not electric) with multiplication of magnetic field in iron/nickel ( Don Smith devices are all based on this as he was telling all over places, the simplest is Tesla coils made from iron/nickel wires with magnetic resonance in transmitting coil, all receiving coils just multiply magnetic field - http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Ch3/Fig48n.jpg Also Don Smith copper+aluminum plate capacitors on plasma globe are really interesting on this subject too.)

So, here's roadmap and lots of time to work on really hard... :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12154 on: June 25, 2012, 12:50:38 AM »
Why is it not possible that Tariel is transmitting his own energy from his own transmitter
This had meant transmitting about 100KW of high frequency power (demonstration in turkey) through thin air without anybody (who is not part of the scam) noticing it and without disturbing any electronic equipment near the receiver like mobile phones and video cameras. Hmmm ...

There are many scams and fakes are there not ?
What if the main purpose of many of the scams and fakes is to distract people from that only one that is not a scam or a fake? Hmmm ...

To make it clear
TK if he want to  give it away as he said he will , He would not give me directions or hints, but  whole information about it.

he has never willingly give me any hints. All of the hints are just my ability to get what is important out of his words.
Most of it is here on this forum.
Let me guess: TK and family still paying their monthly electricity bills. :D

What about cosmoLV? Does he know? Or does he not know?
What about Victor Grig? Does he know the principle of work?
What about people build/operated the 100KW device?

Nobody knows anything? Then they should apply to Secret Service (if not already done).

Anyway I have tried to decrypt the patent drawing of the device as good as possible. The way I see this:

Kapanadze has no practice in drawing electric diagrams. So the schematic drawing of the patent looks according to this. TK does not speak English, I presume, hence the schematic had to be translated from someone who had no clear idea what this is really all about. The English translation reads according to this. What the heck is a distributor (of an engine) with only two connections? What does a single capacitor do with three connections? Why does the description talk about 220V/50Hz output but the drawing shows + an - signs on that output? Why is an inverter 220V/50Hz not labeled as such but »frequency adjuster«?

Now, perhaps someone could kindly show these slightly revamped patent drawings to TK whether they are correct so far ... 8) or not.

 
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a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12155 on: June 25, 2012, 01:08:16 AM »
To all the guys with some electronic  experience or knowledge/training.
How about some of you choose an inexperienced experimenter and mentor that experimenter.
Help the person with technical assistance on a one to one basis, encourage them to think and learn.
Teach !

I see a lot of folks struggling, myself included to build the circuits we need to experiment.
There are two main aspects here, the principals and the methods to execute them.

We can all come up with theories of principals, that's the easy part. Building the hardware
to test things with and experiment without constant frustration is difficult.

What's needed in my opinion on these forums is not more opinions and untested theories.
What I think is needed is more experiments and testing stuff out, cooperation and helping.

Everyone wants to jump straight in the deep end without learning how to swim, then call out for help.
Why not learn how to swim first, then jump in.

We need to work together, and be able to recognize what is worthwhile investigating.
That requires real world experience, knowledge and experiment/testing.

Cheers
I agree with Farmhand. There is only one possibility that Kapanadze is an investment scammer and that is through the wireless or single wire transmission of electricity. It only takes milliamps at 50 kHz and 30, 000 volts to scale down to kilowatts. The single wire way is through his ground wire using Tesla's single wire technology. The "wireless" way also uses a ground earth wire. Also you would feel nothing even if you touched the ground wire. I have done some ground wire experiments so I know.
However on the positive side we have all missed that his patent tells us how to build his device.  I would focus on the patent.
Kapanadze uses the regenerative principle for his device - if genuine.
If genuine - the earth is probably used to keep the device  in phase. This has been verified by experiment by me also.
In a device of this nature parasitic capacitance builds up. Momentary grounding removes this parasitic capacitance.
Read and re-read his patents  - it's the biggest clue we have.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12156 on: June 25, 2012, 01:48:48 AM »
 Ok  I'm done with it....


 Lets move on.


 Did anyone check out this link of a system that has been tested and needs to be verified. Also this team has patents..


http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm#5449989


 They are reporting some 300-500% gain but I will let you explore that yourselves. Check it out it looks promising.


 It also deals with plasma arcs and polarization of the spark gap like Tesla reported.


 Also I am gonna be starting a replication of kapanadze system from 2004. The exact replication. I think his system just utilizes ground loops which have been a bane to most electrical systems. I know I had tons of troubles eliminating them from house wiring and devices that do not isolate the ground from the working unit. Computers are very susceptible to these loops. In fact one loop was soo bad the electric companies ground connection was cherry red. By the way the ground wire was 3 inches thick and glowing red but not one effect could be seen but for the interference to the computers. Once the ground loop was figured out all the computer systems worked flawlessly.


 Ground loops can be very powerful with very heavy current flows. Of course with those flows a huge magnetic component was associated with it. This tended to pick up and amplify any signal and inject it into the AC system. You would think the power company would have known about it but they even were scratching their heads. They tried everything and it only took me about 2 hours to figure that out and fix it. They had to buy a new air conditioner but it was worth it in the long run. Something was wring in it and even when they took it to be examined by a qualified repair man he gave it a clean bill of heath. Yet when put back into the system in the exact spot as before it happened again.


 Think about the amount of current flowing in that loop to turn a 3 inch ground cable cherry red. I didn't have anything to measure the current but the power company said that it was impossible to do what it was doing, yet it was happening.


 Now thinking about the ground loop and the current it was carrying if you put a coil around that what kind of current do you think you would induce off of that? Maybe thats all Kapanadze is doing? Creating a ground loop by exciting the separate ground connections through the coils then sucking off that loop. This is what I'll be testing because it is better then energy from no where.

 In fact I'll do one better. I won't be coming back. You guys and most of humanity can't handle this information. So I will leave you to your silly fantasy world. With made up mathematics and limited vision. I will complete my studies on my own and let you guys blow yourselves to hell. Because that is all you deserve.

 It is no wonder Tesla and others gave up and now I have too. It's what you deserve.

 One last parting gift for Itsu...
« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 01:22:10 PM by jbignes5 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12157 on: June 25, 2012, 04:16:39 AM »
  I believe the below link will clear up alot of the mystique surrounding this device. 
http://www.rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
  I would like to repost the above link.  This work was done and produced an effect just like tesla did.  The plasma is a selfpinching plasma.  In other words it has a negative specific heat.  That means the more energy you introduce the less heat it has.    The plasma remains thermally cool.  This very construct is used by hot fusion scientists trying to pinch the plasma to the point of criticallity and the binding energy of the fused neuclides is released in the form of gamma radiation and various other particles.  What happened during this man's research on the spark gap is that he burnt out a megawatt plant.  The Tesla coil produces and can transmit pure dc.  If you can get your rf oscillator to transmit pure dc let me know cause you got what it takes.  The dc transmitted does not raise the voltage inside the generator causing it to fail because of insulation damage what it does do is it introduces dc in the cores of the transformers the generator is pumping into.  Transformers not loaded rely on the saturation parameters of the core so that they effectively choke current between lines.  The Tesla wave like the telluric waves that run in the Earth are dc currents therefore magnrtically saturate the cores like a magamp.

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« Reply #12158 on: June 25, 2012, 05:31:47 AM »
  I would like to repost the above link.  This work was done and produced an effect just like tesla did.  The plasma is a selfpinching plasma.  In other words it has a negative specific heat.  That means the more energy you introduce the less heat it has.    The plasma remains thermally cool.  This very construct is used by hot fusion scientists trying to pinch the plasma to the point of criticallity and the binding energy of the fused neuclides is released in the form of gamma radiation and various other particles.  What happened during this man's research on the spark gap is that he burnt out a megawatt plant.  The Tesla coil produces and can transmit pure dc.  If you can get your rf oscillator to transmit pure dc let me know cause you got what it takes.  The dc transmitted does not raise the voltage inside the generator causing it to fail because of insulation damage what it does do is it introduces dc in the cores of the transformers the generator is pumping into.  Transformers not loaded rely on the saturation parameters of the core so that they effectively choke current between lines.  The Tesla wave like the telluric waves that run in the Earth are dc currents therefore magnrtically saturate the cores like a magamp.

Brilliant link:

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« Reply #12159 on: June 25, 2012, 11:21:57 AM »
Also I am gonna be starting a replication of kapanadze system from 2004. The exact replication. I think his system just utilizes ground loops which have been a bane to most electrical systems. I know I had tons of troubles eliminating them from house wiring and devices that do not isolate the ground from the working unit. Computers are very susceptible to these loops. In fact one loop was soo bad the electric companies ground connection was cherry red. By the way the ground wire was 3 inches thick and glowing red but not one effect could be seen but for the interference to the computers. Once the ground loop was figured out all the computer systems worked flawlessly.


 Ground loops can be very powerful with very heavy current flows. Of course with those flows a huge magnetic component was associated with it. This tended to pick up and amplify any signal and inject it into the AC system. You would think the power company would have known about it but they even were scratching their heads. They tried everything and it only took me about 2 hours to figure that out and fix it. They had to buy a new air conditioner but it was worth it in the long run. Something was wring in it and even when they took it to be examined by a qualified repair man he gave it a clean bill of heath. Yet when put back into the system in the exact spot as before it happened again.

That is interesting point.
Just my oppininion on TK double ground connection - it can be swapped with high capacity capacitor and everything else should be same. The reactive current going on LC circuit is typically high and curent transformer can be applied there. Unless you manage to tap into Earth curents themselves somehow there is no particular reason to use Earth connection...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12160 on: June 25, 2012, 11:22:11 AM »
if the energy to create the device is to be considered for a solar panel it should be considered for all other devices as well.
Indeed it should be considered for all other devices as well.

Are you a moderator ? I do agree there are way too many off topic posts in all the threads pretty much.
No, I'am not. I am a scientist (physicist) who tries to avoid discussing psychology, sociology and bureaucracy (e.g. patents) on an open forum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12161 on: June 25, 2012, 12:37:11 PM »
This had meant transmitting about 100KW of high frequency power (demonstration in turkey) through thin air without anybody (who is not part of the scam) noticing it and without disturbing any electronic equipment near the receiver like mobile phones and video cameras. Hmmm ...
It would be hard to do it without interference to video cameras at high frequencies and at those power levels.  However low frequencies can be used for Near Field emissions.

I think it would be much easier to conceal lithium batteries which have energy density of 1.8MJ/kg.
Such lithium tetrachloroaluminate in thionyl chloride batteries would weigh 2kg for 1kWh of energy (taking up 0.833 Litres of space).

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« Reply #12162 on: June 25, 2012, 02:16:44 PM »
anyway seems you are wasting your time here  :-[ I don't see anybody thinking simple and in clear manner except maybe Zeitmaschine  :'( :-\
I asked some time ago how we can simulate ground connection to the DC-AC inverter output which can show us flowing current to/from ground... anybody knows ? ??? this is the correct approach to understand something

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« Reply #12163 on: June 25, 2012, 06:47:10 PM »
anyway seems you are wasting your time here  :-[ I don't see anybody thinking simple and in clear manner except maybe Zeitmaschine  :'( :-\
I asked some time ago how we can simulate ground connection to the DC-AC inverter output which can show us flowing current to/from ground... anybody knows ? ??? this is the correct approach to understand something

Most people cannot assemble even transformer so nothing special to expect.. ;)

If you want to simulate ground connection between 2 points, the closest guess would be capacitor between them so you can have your measurements..

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« Reply #12164 on: June 25, 2012, 06:50:34 PM »
In theory the principle of work is easy: A power source which provides 220V 1A is connected to a lamp which requires 220V 1A. The lamp shines brightly.

Now connect a second lamp parallel to the first one which requires another 220V 1A. The result will be that both lamps are dim. What is the cause of this?

The cause is a lack of electrons! There are to less electrons coming from the power source to get a current of 220V 2A. The gate of the power source is to small (the internal resistance is to high) to allow more electrons to pass through.

Therefore the task is: how to tell the electrons of the first 1A to entrain some more electrons (located in a nearby metal object) on their way to the lamps, so that the result is the required current of 2A?


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