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Author Topic: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind  (Read 121117 times)

Offline gmeast

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #180 on: September 16, 2010, 11:25:25 PM »
This one will blow you away.

Is it possible to build a device in which the forward motion turns a wheel that turns a propeller which provides enough wind propulsion to accelerate the device forward faster than the air around it? You would think not, but some investigators appear to have accomplished just that.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Directly_Downwind_Faster_than_the_Wind

Plans included.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Directly_Downwind_Faster_than_the_Wind#Parts_List

Anyone game to build one quickly and validate?

Sterling

I'm replying to the 'opening' post because that's a good place to start.

It does what it does for the same reason a sail boat can sail cross-wind faster than the wind.  The wind reacts to the sail creating an acceleration and thrust normal to the wind and parallel the keel (determining the direction of travel).  The prop blades are the sails (angled to the wind).  The prop shaft bearing is the keel (determining the direction of travel).  The force (in this case - torque) is simply translated into power at the vehicle's drive wheels thereby providing vehicle motion.  The track of the vehicle's wheels determines the vehicle direction (a second keel ? ?)  The track of the vehicle is of no consequence as long as the plane of the rotor/propeller disc is mostly normal to the wind (OK then, for this, a pivoting rotor mast).  When the plane of the rotor/propeller disc AND the track of the vehicle are normal and parallel the wind, respectively, the effects are additive and accentuates the marvel.

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #180 on: September 16, 2010, 11:25:25 PM »

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #181 on: September 17, 2010, 12:14:37 AM »
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It does what it does for the same reason a sail boat can sail cross-wind faster than the wind.

If so, then how can it sustain a velocity of over 2 times it's own tailwind, effectively far outpacing the force, which you believe, sustains it?  Also, if you study the device, you will note that the tailwind does not deflect the blades as in the sail boat scenario, since they turn against the wind.

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the effects are additive and accentuates the marvel.

Yes, it is quite a marvel.  One that has snapped more than a few arrogant scientist's mouths shut like bear traps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXbV0gsjfM

If such a simple device can do that, then what may further be said about the seedy & greedy ivory tower that is modern science?


TS

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #182 on: September 25, 2010, 01:34:00 PM »
   The most important aspect of this device is it feeds the prop with the wheel resistance.  Consider this.  A dynamometer test on an electric motor.  We bolt down the motor to a stationary object.  We then energise the motor and measure the torque and rpm.  We do not consider the work done by the stationary object which has to resist the counter torque produced by the motor.  Instead of bolting down the motor let us add a load to the stator.  A prop.  As the prop loads up the primary load goes faster.  As the primary load goes faster it produces more countertorque which drives the secondary load.  The more we load down the stator the more power delivered to the rotor.  The faster the craft goes the faster the prop is driven.  If we bolt the craft down we have a windmill and waste 1/2 the energy in counterproductive work like slowing the Earth down.  The wind is always moving at 14mph or whatever relative to a fixed position on the Earth.  The craft draws from this power no matter what position on the Earth it is.

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #182 on: September 25, 2010, 01:34:00 PM »
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Offline magnetmotorman

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #183 on: October 24, 2010, 07:13:46 PM »
They have got it now.
Selfacceleration and driving faster than the wind.

This proves that that system is overunity I would say:

See their 3 new videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TraderTurok

Well done !

Regards, Stefan.

The energy of the wind is accumulated by the mass of the vehicle, that is all, no overunity. It's obvious that it will accelerate faster than wind, because its accumulated energy. Just like a pendulum goes further away than the hand that has elevated it.
Accumulated energy.

Offline ramset

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #184 on: October 24, 2010, 08:24:03 PM »
SSOOOoooo........

At what point does this "accumulation " fall off??
1/2 hour ?    one hour?
Seeing as How they could probably do this
                 FOREVER!!

HHMMmmm.............

NAH............... Whether or not its OU

"Accumulation" is the Wrong answer!!

Chet

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #184 on: October 24, 2010, 08:24:03 PM »
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Offline magnetmotorman

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #185 on: October 24, 2010, 08:44:37 PM »
SSOOOoooo........

At what point does this "accumulation " fall off??
1/2 hour ?    one hour?
Seeing as How they could probably do this
                 FOREVER!!

HHMMmmm.............

NAH............... Whether or not its OU

"Accumulation" is the Wrong answer!!

Chet
What are you talking about? It's a CAR! Every car slows down, lossing kinetic energy.
And it DOESN'T runs for ever.
Just it has peaks of storage, and then releases that energy in a shorter time span.

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #186 on: October 24, 2010, 08:53:17 PM »
The energy of the wind is accumulated by the mass of the vehicle, that is all, no overunity. It's obvious that it will accelerate faster than wind, because its accumulated energy. Just like a pendulum goes further away than the hand that has elevated it.
Accumulated energy.

Yep, and that's just one of the reasons...

Ramses guy is a kind of a real sailor, yes?

I believe he also knows for the "force vectors - their components", and such stuff?

Why can a sailing ship, a "fast racer,even "OU" racer, that's "FE" racer? " REACH A TYPICAL SPEED OF, eg.,  2,2 WIND SPEED? And, is that a novelty? FE? Lol....

That's, actually, the typical speed of a racing "surf", under the conditions of a "reach" sailing conditions.....


I think mr. Ramses is one of the guys who contributed the "Hydroptere" video...?

Jeeeez...

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #186 on: October 24, 2010, 08:53:17 PM »
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Offline magnetmotorman

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #187 on: October 24, 2010, 09:08:08 PM »
Why can a sailing ship, a "fast racer,even "OU" racer, that's "FE" racer? " REACH A TYPICAL SPEED OF, eg.,  2,2 WIND SPEED? And, is that a novelty? FE? Lol....
The hard true.
Unbelievable, so many people losing time in this stuff, when there is many other REAL overunity systems totally abandoned.

Offline ramset

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #188 on: October 24, 2010, 10:09:24 PM »
WOW
Some really Fart smellers !!
You two should right a book !

I could use some more toilet tissue!!

Chet

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #188 on: October 24, 2010, 10:09:24 PM »
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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #189 on: October 25, 2010, 05:38:48 AM »
WOW
Some really Fart smellers !!
You two should right a book !

I could use some more toilet tissue!!

Chet
Admin, here is something to do.

Offline ramset

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #190 on: October 25, 2010, 11:26:56 AM »
Sir
You insult the boss's intellect,
and then you want him to throw Me out for expressing my Opinion?

I see you have strong opinions!!
There is a fine line between an Opinion and an insult!

And your fellow poster Spinner ,He's not a nice man

Wellcome to the Forum !!

Chet
BTW
If you could get me thrown out for the above comment,
This place would be a ghost town!!
And you would be OUTTA HERE Too!![no double standards in the insult department]
« Last Edit: October 25, 2010, 02:10:52 PM by ramset »

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #190 on: October 25, 2010, 11:26:56 AM »
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Offline magnetmotorman

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #191 on: October 25, 2010, 02:21:08 PM »
If you could get me thrown out for the above comment,
This place would be a ghost town!!
And you would be OUTTA HERE Too!![no double standards in the insult department]
We, human beings are children of rigor. I'm moderating pages much harder, and I can assure you that you can achieve harmony, there is no "ghost town."
I did not insult you - Spinn did, and I agree on one standard; both insults removed, it seems perfect. Enough insults.
Even more: if you read my comments, when I quoted Spinn, I removed the agressive part.

Offline ramset

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #192 on: October 25, 2010, 04:47:17 PM »
NO No Sir,
Its your post 183
The one where you "teach" him /us ?

To remove the wind from from the realm of research ,and dismiss it with one silly word.
To call it a waste of time ?
Is quite ignorant!!
IT's an insult to another mans intelligence [The Boss in this case]

So basically you insulted the chief administrators Intellect
And then asked him to Boot me ,
In the middle of your gang bang!

You sound a tad pompous

Its all perspective.

Chet

   

Offline magnetmotorman

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #193 on: October 25, 2010, 06:33:15 PM »
NO No Sir,
Its your post 183
The one where you "teach" him /us ?

To remove the wind from from the realm of research ,and dismiss it with one silly word.
To call it a waste of time ?
Is quite ignorant!!
IT's an insult to another mans intelligence [The Boss in this case]

So basically you insulted the chief administrators Intellect
And then asked him to Boot me ,
In the middle of your gang bang!

You sound a tad pompous

Its all perspective.

Chet

   
I don't have 183 posts, you're confused... OH, yes, the reply number 183, OK.
Sorry for my bad "pompous" english, it is difficult to me. And think differently is not insult, it's about technical issues. You called me "fart smeller", that IS an insult.

Is real and necessary this conversation? Please, admin...

Offline ramset

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Re: Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind
« Reply #194 on: October 25, 2010, 06:43:57 PM »
OOOHHHHHHH.....................

I'm sorry MISS PRINT

                      SMART FELLER
GEESE
sorry about that!!
All this bandwith for a few silly letters!
HOW EMBARRASSING!!

Chet
« Last Edit: October 25, 2010, 07:48:30 PM by ramset »

 

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