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Cloxxi
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If you see a car, or a building without turbine, energy is being wasted right there.
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Very true ,we are spoiled ,if wind was all we had we would never waste it.

The tides and the wind they never stop!

HHmmmmm...............

Chet

Guys, your opinions please, after having looked at the cart.

Take this : http://eolprocess.com/
And substitute the blades with a prop, powered by the rotation of the central shaft.

Can you see what I'm seeing? Can you perhaps tell me why it won't work?

The wind turbine booster we've been looking for? The design itself is ingenious by itself, but it seems to be (although working beautifully in a seperately invented version of gmeast :
http://www.youtube.com/user/gmeast

restricted by the blade taking full wind, not wanting to go faster than the wind, while in all other positions, it does want. The prop, if it operates somewhat efficient off the wind, would be urging the central shaft, and all the props installed, to go faster. Sucking the air out of the wind, just like the cart does. Or am I wrong?

Another way I see is that the blades would not make full rotations, but alternate taking left and right, for fore and aft locations. Speed vs. torque, which is best? For the cart, speed. For the turbine, I am not sure.

Animation is top view of a turbine, central shaft is vertical with the ground. Wind shown as coming from above. It is nothing like a prop. I am proposing to substitute the blade for props. Nothing easy about my idea.

gmeast who posts on energetic forums and youtube, built this thing, the French inventor apparently only made a patent, which was not maintained, and now int eh public domain. gmeast made the same thing, and found the patent after. It seems to turn pretty quickly to me. Speed of course is less important than the energy that can be extracted at the central shaft via a load/generator.

OK, so the blades turn on the rotor at half the rotor's rpm, but in one position of the device, the blades always pass in a given orientation. However, if you'd paint them in different colors back/front, I believe now they will switch sides.
NOT good for my propellor idea.

To have a chance of working with propellor replacing the large vertical blades, the propellor blades will need to be phased as well, reversing thrust. Reversing rotation direction of the propellors might be easier to engineer, but it makes my head hurt to figure out whether that's good or bad.

The back-thrusting prop that sit full in the wind (9:00 of animation), will have great thrust on the central shaft, as the DDWFTTW cart. At 3:00, prop blades will need to be perpendicular to the wind direction (vertical in animation), and reverse thrust for the next half-cycle.
I have a good feeling about this, seems it just might work to get the thing spinning fast, and extract good energy from the wind.

Perhaps a similar setup, stretched out rather and circular, without the thrust reverse, and the against the wind part being shielded from the wind, would be both simpler and more efficient. The props when exposed to the moving wind, would be DDWFTTW. In the tunnel or shield on the way back, apparent wind speed is reduced some, to have thrust there as well.

shes a runner

http://www.fasterthanthewind.org/search?updated-min=2010-05-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&updated-max=2010-06-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=15

Man, they are really documenting their efforts really well.  This is a most fascinating design and their results appear to be incredible.  I wish them the best of luck.

Bill

It's all about beating the wind down, right? If the wind still has umpf to make the downwind place windmill turn, the first one didn't quite use all that was there for it to take.

I think my idea could work to make the thing spin fast, yeah. But the turning blade design is so smart, seems to take so much power from the wind for a given frontal surface area, it should do well as part of future building design, to make them as lean as possible on grid power.

 when i first heard of this i overlooked it.
assumed it was impossible.
 searched the web a few weeks back and came across other sites, showing into the wind powered vehicles, with race events held in Europe, never knew they existed

 When this vehicle drives forward, Does the airspeed increase behind the blades,  aiding in driving the vehicle forward,
 or does the vehicle increase speed due to the blades angle and rpm, cutting or screwing itself into the air quicker than the wind speed, without increasing the air speed behind the blades.
   
  would like to see a pair or more of these slipstream formula 1 style.
 

  modify a large air conditioner duct, have mini versions loop around in circles on a special track, generating power, collected through the tracks, "turbo style".
(hadron collider tunnel would come handy)

could use a similar wind turbine as the v-lim.
 web page also contains an interesting article titled, rare-earth-shortages-may-put-china-in-the-drivers-seat-on-green-energy,
  http://mgx.com/blogs/tag/v-lim-wind-turbine/

http://rogueriverwind.com/VLIM_Hybrid/VLIM_Hybrid.html

 if there is in increase of wind speed behind the rotor blades, would a second set of blades behind this increase the speed further, e.g. 2 vehicles joined together, the rear vehicle aiding the first.

 Many ideas come to mind of looping these to run on their own generated wind, or underwater in a circular swimming pool, it can propel itself on its own created whirlpool.
  (need to make some models, to many ideas, not enough time).