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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2008, 04:58:54 AM »
Here is my plan, as it has been for the past 10 years or so:
1. Verify basic tenets of a theory as fact (as my equipment, expertise, and time permit of course. ;D)  I've been doing this for a while now, but have not come across a theory that passed even this stage.  I have some expertise in high voltage high speed switching, magnetic design, control systems both digital and analog, etc. as well as a nice 1Gs/sec scope...just waiting to test and verify something with it. ;)
2. Use the verified theory to design an OU device, refining and adding to the theory as new experimental results demand it.
3. Release the entire device to the world freely (no secrets!), and also offer pre-built and tested devices for sale alongside the released info.  (Sort of like Redhat and the Fedora project).

If you want to communicate privately with me I can give you my Email address--just PM me if this is OK with you.

BTW I think you forgot the SM TPU as a working device...unless you have evidence to the contrary. 8)  Seems like it could use the disruptive discharge to achieve what it does, and do so with older solid-state components.  I am constructing a solid-state fast several-Kv impulse generator for use in these type of experiments; just waiting on parts delivery (grr! :D).

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2008, 10:48:34 AM »
The following document pointed out by eldarion is indeed very relevant and useful:

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 03:36:15 PM »
I don't think Correa's are very well correlated to the core effect despite apperances, but possibly (maybe closer to Stiffler's version?)

The Multipactor sure seems different as it is the reverse and it is to create fusion.

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2008, 05:23:29 AM »
As promised here is my post on soft electrons.


Soft Electrons

The key effect, Hiddink, Gray, Pavel, JLN's Patent, Baumann and Now Stiffer have taken advantage of is related to a negatively charged particle which I will argue is an electron in a peculiar state, it may be that other types of particles can be in this state and even a chance that this particle is not an electron but something else as apparently Tesla believed

In all of these devices (with Stiffler's version possibly only using the effect as a jumping off point to something larger) a capacitor is charged, and one, seemingly the negatively plate is discharged by emission of electrons in an effect discovered by Tesla and noted by many who have worked with Tesla Coils and the like, it is Termed Radiant Energy, the other plate of the capacitor remains charged but now to a much higher potential, the emitted electrons can be collected on distant isolated metal surfaces and as shown in the case of the Hiddink experiment this radiation can kill semiconductors in the immediate area if the pulse is too strong.

The positive plate of the capacitor should preferably have holes to avoid collection of this beta emission which will lower it's remaining charge, This can be seen clearly in Baumann and Gray devices, Gray actually used wire with easily more hole that metal.

The propulsive effect that causes the emission is apparently aetheric in nature however that is beyond the scope of this post. (It is possible however that the force is electrostatic in nature and the aetheric component is related to putting the charges in this curious state)

The curious thing however, is that if there were really enough electrons flying around to kill these electronics, charge these plates and generate so much power the experimenters would be quite dead quite fast, however while some danger has been noted from this radiation it is far far lower than would be expected if this was normal beta radiation.

This mystery seems solved by the fact that such current also acts in an unusual manner in wires, this 'cold current' can flow through insulators at low voltages, and yet does not cause electric shocks as demonstrated by Edwin Gray.
It may also cause an unusually blue light to come from an incandescent bulb and cause semiconductors and possibly other components to become Coler than the ambient temperature. (This may be in part due to such components literally 'leaking' or boiling off such energized electrons, but mainly because electrons in such a state appear smaller and avoid collision)

Tesla in US patent 685,958 describes how an insulated copper plate can absorb such energetic charges from the environment (seemingly from the sun) or from any electrical device able to create such radiation, the collection may be feeble but he describes that these charges at rather low voltages can break through insulation and so recommends high quality capacitors be used.

I have been told he describes these charges as having a lower mass than electrons, but I think many may agree with me before the end of this post that most likely these are electrons, all be it electrons in a different state.

William Barbat in US patent Application #2007/0007844 describes (possibly theoretical) 'low mass' electrons being generated by a copper oxide (copper readily oxidizes in air and quickly at high heats as would have been the case for Tesla's Sheets) coating being struck by light, this is interesting as Teslas copper plates would have very likely oxidized before being coated, Barbat's theory of this enhancing loose coupling transformer operation may also be true but what I have read of his theory of why is nonsense unless these electrons produce a diminished magnetic field and with it less self inductance.

These low mass electrons are also found by mainstream physicists sometimes, in carbon, a material which as I will cover seems ideal for generating these cold electrons, see: http://www.intalek.com/Index/News/PhysicsWeb%20-%20Electrons%20lose%20their%20mass%20in%20carbon%20sheets.htm

Stiffler (and whoever else composed 'ATGroup'?) found these cold electrons in the TMB or Thermal magnetic battery, though the accuracy of the name is disputed.
http://67.76.235.52/tmb.asp

Despite the extreme low voltage a cold blue are was noted:
"Cold Blue Arc.   When a load is connected or disconnected to a TMB cell an arc can bee seen of approximately 1/16" in length. This arc is light blue in color and not something typically seen in normal electronic circuits. The arc is wide compared to its length and is quite broad in size when initially appearing.
This is extraordinary since the voltage output of a TMB is somewhere from 50-300mv, very very low voltages to be producing an arc of about 1.5mm when the normal requirement would be 1,500v to breach a 1.5mm gap, a voltage 5000 times high than found from even 2 TMB's in series.
Also note the arc is again 'cold' suggesting that these electrons didn't transfer much kinetic energy either due to their lower mass or like the electrons in a superconductor they tend to avoid interaction.

This avoiding interaction would appear to possibly a form of enhanced tunneling, the aether does seem to be the medium in which quantum events play out but my manipulating the aether it seems possible that tuantum mechanical events may be enhanced.
It is worth noting that 'ormus' or 'm-State' elements which are monatomic elements have been found to tunnel out of containers, it seems that even atoms can gain a similar energetic and low mass state.

Carbon spark gaps/arcs have been noted to run cold and produce excess energy by a number of experimenters (Among them Frolov and Sonne Ward but it has been noted by many others), it is interesting that Edwin used large carbon blocks, while it seems that he used them in part to create a voltage difference required for the capacitive effect as apparent from the MKay document noted earlier in this thread it seems likely that Carbon (Graphite) is effective at producing these low mass electrons.

Ren?-Louis Vall?e has a theory where Carbon is transmuted into radioactive Boron (a proton grabs an electron) which then decays back into carbon (20 ms half life) releasing a high energy electron, with far more energy that the electron had to have to turn the carbon into Boron.
This reaction seems unlikely, nuclear reactions do not tend to be over Unity, and the beta radiation would again be deadly.
While his theory seems probably entirely wrong it has been replicated by several including JLN and others on the OU board with success:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0/topicseen.html

In some versions there is an Arc, in others there is just a short through a carbon rod, however it does seem that this carbon rod releases radiation, it has been measured and one experimenter believed they got a radiation burn from it.

The VSG effect then seems to be a similar effect, however it has no capacitance and instead the beta radiation from the high current passing through the carbon rod is put to work by entering a coil and is entrained by an existing current adding energy to it.

I believe that Edwin may have used the carbon to further 'Soften' the electrons and I believe he may have used diodes and voltages to suck as many 'hard' electrons out of the emitting electrode and anything near it as possible, either to enhance the effect or to make is safer.
I do not know if 'hard' electrons can be carried along in the rush (or if there are intermediate levels of 'softness') but if so it would not only be an issue of performance but also safety.

It is worth noting that the replication mentioned in the MKay document has a dangerous radiation and it is likely due to an insufficiently softened beta, greater softness should result in both greater power output and a far far safer even beneficial output IMO.

So the question turns to other ways to make these cold/soft electrons.
First though I must note that Richard Lefores Clark proposed the existence of 'Soft' electrons which sound very much the same animal although his theory seems to concern things my theory does not.
It is also worth noting that Hans Coler mentioned 'Space Electrons' moving between his capacitive plates, between the 'repelling and attracting spaces'.
We will consider his methods later.

Boyd Bushman in US patent 5,929,732 shows a magnetic device that projects a magnetic field an improbable distance, there are 2 other cases of people projecting DC magnetic fields impossible distances, and also one where an AC magnetic field projected impossible distances to cause a force of a distant aligned magnet.
Boyd's device also falls slower than an object of the same mass and size.

In his patent he describes an experiment where a VDG charged IIRC negatively which only has the ability to discharge a fraction of an inch can discharge 6 feet! through the air from the influence of 2 of his magnetic beamers, one of the beamers being north and one south (the arc hitting the south pole beamer).

Peter Markovitch made a solid state device seen here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/markovic/atree.htm
It has one very curious quality, it can pick up DC induction, something that though strange is not unique among FE devices, and it can have it flow in useful levels in various circuit configs some of which include open circuits.
If we look at Coler (current through magnet cores), Boyd Bushman, Markovitch (silver conductor with electromagnet wrapped over) we see the same design, current is passing through a magnetic field!  This can cause the current to spiral, if this vortex flow is the reason I don't know but I suspect it is not exclusively.
We see verification of this in JLN's replication of the VSG, if a coil produced a magnetic field of this orientation the energy output increased greatly.

If we now again look at the TMB we see the same config, where the current (which strangely passes through the dielectric in the cell) moves along magnetic field lines.
We also can note that Baumann powered his machine in large part be a cell very similar to the TMB, called 'The Linden Experiment', it is essentially identical to the TMB with this same magnetic field and current config.

There are many other strange effects from this config, Hamdi Ucar for instance with a few volts got ionization from a coil with a similar crossing quality, lots of strange effects have been reported from such Mobius and Caduceus coils and it would take a separate post to cover this angle properly.
Interestingly (and it is a word of warning) I have heard from 2 different sources neither of which I have any reason to believe knew of each other and both reported that coils of this type may produce XRays! Speeding electrons Batman! Both had experienced this in their research! (One of them (a Dr.) also got levitation, and reported that it happens if you put in over something like 5 volts)

Before I had found that out from either of them I did experiments with similar coils creating a beam and I got the strangest Helli hover over my house in a way I have never seen before or since, he just sat there for quite a while as I was doing my experiments, just maybe I caused something that could be detected as an anomaly.

Before I change subject a bit I will include this video and while I can't explain everything that occurs I think you will be able to agree it explains a lot of what occurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70   (watch the next 2 from him also)
Same setup, electron flow along magnetic field and can arc through air despite low voltage being applied.

Patrick Flanagan in US Patent 4,743,275 'Electron field generator' describes a capacitor with a dielectric dropped with tiny metal particles, the entire thing is then insulated and attached to a HV AC generator.
This despite being insulated against the voltages applied emits electrons, these do not act light ions which are flow to permeate a living environment, this thing acts radiantly.
He is creating the same low mass electrons that can thumb their nise at insulation.
The method he is using is one used by many to create an aetheric effect but it would be taking this too far off subject to go there as most cases where this effect has been used has nothing to do with our subject but I could list 20 cases of this principle being used.   For those curious anyay here is a sample: Ormus, Bions, Orgonite, BaFe with or without Piezo (MRA & Sweet and Dan Davidson) plus a device Stan deyo describes in a rare video lecture of a device he built, CSE, Mesmer, Patterson Cell, Hermann Plausonn and JLN's segmented replication of the Newman motor (those last 2 to be researched together, oh and with Kipper with the MWO for inspiration)

One exception is: http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
Coherers (metal powder gaining conduction) were used in the early days of radio to detect transmission, the type of radios used would release an aetheric shockwave from the wire and this aether impulse would create a highly energetic state as it tries to pass through metal powder. (Literally an energetic/agitated space/aether/vacuum similar to the conditions Hutchison creates)

This could very well be how Hiddink's device and Stiffler's semi replication works among others, noble gases are monatomic and tend to create this same effects as verified by experimenters including DMBoss who is active of this forum, this is probably how the electrons are conditioned to become soft/cold.

Storms and the Hutchison effect (And Podkletnov's impulse device) sometimes curiously cause things to become not so solid so they may pass through each other, it seems likely that the same thing is occurring, that space (the space (Aether) that matter drags along) is becoming highly energized, i have established that inertia is almost certainly due to a delay between matter the aether it tends to entrain to come up to speed, if however the aether or matter is in such a state that they are held on to much more tightly there there would indeed be less inertia.
Also

Reich found that tiny energetic particles (bions) created this spatial radiation he termed orgone. He found that this energy could be infused into matter and matter could retain this radiation, he could charge a Gieger counter and it would click at a far higher rate and yet there was no danger. (If I have to tell you why the clicks increased then chances are this thread isn't for you)
Obviously, he was charging the electrons with orgone which is precisely what these cold/soft electrons are, why they avoid doing damage, they are orgone (energetic vacuum) infused electrons. The energetic vacuum which they pull around with them (magnetic and electric fields do tend to entrain aether) is the key to their curious effects.

Many reading this will know I have not even mentioned torsion research even though it should be obvious it's the same thing and the same effects have been found.


I think that should cover it pretty well, I think most non-skeptics would agree that there is a strong weight of evidence for these easily emitted and relatively non dangerous charges being emitted, and that this emission can be collected generating excess energy as well as avoided to create excess energy be reduction of capacity.

Stiffler is using the effect but 'APPEARS' to be not only gaining from the Hiddink effect but using the aether disruption created by the emission to draw in more power by a different means.


Edit: Regarding the 'Hydrogen Tap' video, it occurs to me that this has similarities to as effect noted in the GEET and plasma reactors of the same type, the plasma flow along the magnetic field, it spirals and at a certain point there is a change and that is where the action takes place (Transmutation).
It strikes me that the current in the magnet in 'hydrogen's' vid may be doing the same thing, being so wound up (energized) by the motion through the field that it can't go any further and when a critical mass of these electrons builds up it discharges the only way it can, radially.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2008, 05:58:09 AM by aether22 »

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2008, 07:01:55 PM »
@All
I guess some one is following this, funny because its one of the few things that work.

Do a YouTube search for MRH2O2 and K4ZEP, sort by latest and see that this is an amazing device.


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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2008, 01:40:59 AM »
It may also cause an unusually blue light to come from an incandescent bulb
Despite the extreme low voltage a cold blue are was noted:
One of them (a Dr.) also got levitation, and reported that it happens if you put in over something like 5 volts)
I got the strangest Helli hover over my house in a way I have never seen before

Thanx for this cool post, aether

I know this really off topic, but those sentences reminded me of a story from last month, that makes
me wonder if the US Military works on this too .... but is far ahead  :o

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1432&category=Environment

Some Eye Witnesses and even Man in Black arround  ;D

But over on the Colorado River, R. B. was only about 400 yards from where the fiery turquoise-blue object hit the ground on the west side of the river. R. B. has requested anonymity because he?s afraid the U. S. government hurts people who report UFOs. He did not even want his voice recorded. R. B. has lived in a houseboat on the Colorado River for thirty some years. He was outside at 3 AM fishing  when he saw the brilliant, turquoise-blue flaming object. When it hit the ground about 100 yards west of the river, he saw the whole thing bounce back up in the air with even more glowing red-yellow pieces around the big center object. And yet, he did not hear the crash sound he expected. ?There was only a thump sound,? he told me.

But he was afraid that some kind of plane had crashed and urgently went down to the lower deck of his houseboat to get his cell phone and climbed back up to the top deck to get a satellite signal for his phone. When he had a signal, he kept dialing 911, but only got a busy signal. All of this took about seven minutes after the crash. Then to his complete amazement, John Smith heard the loud sound of a sky-hook, or skycrane, helicopter coming fast in the night sky. The next thing he knew, the still-glowing object was hooked underneath the skycrane and carried away rapidly.

Greetz
Andi

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2008, 04:57:32 AM »
Hi Gang,

Working in the background, posting video's of what I see.  Will leave theories to others, let Dr. Stiffler post schematics as this is a spin off of his work............Still working on instrumentation but it is a very difficult environment to work with.....IT is the damnedest light and heat producing device.  The loop does give indications of powering an inductive device very well also........Very loose guesswork would tend to indicate a "gainful" environment but will make no claims until I am sure and have X checked it with Dr. Stiffler......

ALSO PLEASE WHEN WORKING IN THE 5-10KV high current environment if you do not know what you are doing DONT DO IT.  The voltages and currents here are absolutely LETHEL...........................IF you do not know the techniques for working with VERY HIGH VOLTAGE, say hello to St. Peter for me..........

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2008, 09:23:03 AM »
Stiffler has done excellent work with this, but Ben so have you!
And Stiffler didn't begin this, I did (though if he hadn't done some damn good work it would still only be correlations and I suck so hard in the lab or at conveying my ideas it would be nowhere).

So you are more than free to post your circuit, I am saying this for selfish reasons of course, I want to try the circuit!

And to establish that this pretty well proves that my correlations and observations ARE valid and valuable, so maybe even before I get to give things a try you can.
For instance try running the current through a magnetic field (electro or permenant), and try it both ways.
I am encouraged that the carbon works as expected, and a DC electromagnet around carbon core would be ideal.

There is something else that I think will work and I think something you have said indicated you may have already found indications of it, we'll see.

BTW circuit diagrams of vid 3 and 4 would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2008, 09:59:20 AM by aether22 »

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2008, 11:15:42 PM »
Stiffler has done excellent work with this, but Ben so have you!
And Stiffler didn't begin this, I did (though if he hadn't done some damn good work it would still only be correlations and I suck so hard in the lab or at conveying my ideas it would be nowhere).

So you are more than free to post your circuit, I am saying this for selfish reasons of course, I want to try the circuit!

And to establish that this pretty well proves that my correlations and observations ARE valid and valuable, so maybe even before I get to give things a try you can.
For instance try running the current through a magnetic field (electro or permenant), and try it both ways.
I am encouraged that the carbon works as expected, and a DC electromagnet around carbon core would be ideal.

There is something else that I think will work and I think something you have said indicated you may have already found indications of it, we'll see.

BTW circuit diagrams of vid 3 and 4 would be appreciated.

@aether22
Interesting, where did "Stiffler" say it was his idea? Did it not all come from the 1800's - 1900's?

So................. Strange!

No problem at all, I have learned a valued lesson here.

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2008, 11:48:03 PM »
@aether22
Interesting, where did "Stiffler" say it was his idea? Did it not all come from the 1800's - 1900's?

So................. Strange!

No problem at all, I have learned a valued lesson here.

Um, you didn't.
I was correcting the perception that Ben seemed to have in his posts/videos.
While I have no idea what Ben thought, from what he said I would have figured you had been working on this for months and this was effectively solely 'yours'.

But whatever, yes, it has all come from the work of others and that was my point, only that this is very much a public collaboration.

Not sure why things have to turn personal, I like and respect you, I like and respect Ben.
Seems that sometimes these damned soulless texts we send each other don't convey sufficient depth of meaning allowing things to be read in ways we didn't intend or even comprehend.

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2008, 03:15:36 AM »
Now let's get back to science and leave the dramatic stuff to the daytime soaps?

We have important things to tackle.
I am trying to setup Ben's deal but the size of the cap has me confused, Ben says 5 microfarads where you sent me a diagram with an 8.9nf cap, Ben's is over 500 times the size.

Also I am not sure how it has been established that the extra energy is from the Fl tube, with the Xenons it's clear it's a different circuit but how do we know it's the same thing?

Very cool that the tube is bypassed in Ben's 3rd vid because it means that you can gen as much power as you want (or are able to) with probably an almost endless life from the tube, but Ben have you removed the tube to verify it was key to the effect? I will try that myself as soon as I can figure out how to do this without electrocuting myself.

I have all the gear but need to clear some nice nonconductive space with not too many conductive things around, but hey if Ben can find the space!

Can we be friends again and get back to science?

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Re: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2008, 08:24:33 AM »
The reason Naudin's mhog generates heat is that the copper vessel is a one turn coil shorted out.

The electrons and subsequent free energy come from the H2 to H1 transmute and this process is well known and understood. The reason people fail at Gray tube replications is they do not fill the tube with H2 under a vacuum.

Some have argued that the H2 does not deplete and that is the reason that the H2 is not the source of energy. Rubbish - There is enough energy in a cubic mm of mass to run a large city for a day once converted into the atomic energy of the mass. Not everything that counts can be counted - Albert Einstein This is how all free energy machines that I am aware of operate.

Take for instance the Methernitha. On the tube on top you can clearly see a tube with a thin wall (the H2 vacuum tube that is pulsed with high voltage) and then wrapped around that is a loose coil to collect the BETA and then around that is a thicker glass tube to shield the BETA. I.e., it is a gray tube.

It all begins with a cavitation (the spark) which produces electron clusters which explode to produce electron cascade which is where the mass to energy conversion takes place. If you ever learned one thing about free energy machines, that was what you needed to know and that is not an overstatement.

Take any free energy device that has been tested. Find the cavitation and from there figure out what type of mass was converted into the atomic energy contained in the mass. In the case of a H-bomb, which is a free energy machine, it is obviously the hydrogen and a neutron source that is converted into atomic energy. And no, economic free energy machines don't violate thermodynamics any more than the h-bomb.

Cavitation can occur in any mass in any state and is one of the least understood and single most important aspect of an economic free energy machine.

Here is one more that everybody missed - the Tesla manifold. It is a manifold designed to produce cavitation. It had nothing to do with pumping liquid and had everything to do with his deathray. There was one located on each of the barrels of the H2 tubes that fired the beam.

I suspect the egg shaped center pieces were his magnetic eggs and they produced what some call Anarov Bohm effect which is just a polarized electromagnetic cavitation and the basis of many free energy machines. In fact, on the Methernitha, the horse shoe magnets are connected at the top and the legs are magnetized such that one is North and the other is South. This magnetically splits the electron stream and then the capacitor plates between the legs collect the spin curl wave that is produced.

Ron Stiffler might want to consider replacing his loop antenna with something along these lines and might see something more productive on the output.

Magical terms like Aether and radiant energy keep people from understanding the science that produces mass to energy conversion.