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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: aether22 on July 19, 2008, 10:58:35 AM
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I have figured out how to make Gray's conversion tube work.
The main key is capacitance between the center electrode and the (holy) cylinders.
By using a battery to charge the cylinders positivly and the center electrode negativly (relativly speaking) you get a greater radiant release of electrons.
If it does not work then simply raise the voltage applied between the cylinders and the central conductor, the idea is to pack more electrons into the cylinder and therefore the radiant event will be larger!
The energy is then not from those electrons, they have mostly left thanks to the holes in the cylinder (and the energy they are shot out with), the energy comes from having the positive charges on the cylinder remain, the cylinder is now effectivly a 1 terminal capacitor and that raises the voltage a great deal! (just like those electrostatic induction machines that charge a 2 terminal capacitor only to seperate the other plate to raise the voltage significantly)
Electrons could rush from other parts of the circuit to the center electrode so you need to block that, he did that by making the electrode positive! (yes, it's voltage was comparativly negative compared to the more positive cylinder but it is still positive)
You then only have to extract work from that now increased voltage, by putting a load (transformer/motor/light bulb) between it and the central conductor.
I am sure Paul Baumann (Testkica) did the same with his device.
I realized this by looking at the work of Joseph Hiddink who did the same thing, he used tubes filled with neon or argon placed inside a cylinder, he would light up the tube in a conventional way and then apply the + of a DC supply to the cylinder and the - to the plasma (the plasma acta as a capacitor plate), on turning the plasma off by physically breaking the connection the electrons in the plasma would disappear (radiated away as per Tesla) leaving the positivly charged cylinder now at a much greater voltage.
You must however keep the voltage between the central plasma/electrode relatively low and don't make the thing too large because you will otherwise kill your electronic equipment (if not the neighbors) and maybe cause a lightening stroke to find you, yes really.
Only requirements to Hiddinks version being that the gas be swift to extinguish (possibly not fluorescent tubes then?) and not coated with any powder, it may also help that UV can make it out of the tube).
He actually recommended UV fluorescent tubes (ones used for sterilizing that let out all the loverly deadly UV (A, B & C), not the black light ones or tanning ones) although if they don't work then get then refilled with pure neon/argon.
Others have replicated his effect successfully BTW, and he is still alive. (I got some of the above info from emailing him and a phone conversation)
So there are 3 things to take from this.
1: Capacity between the central electrode and the outer cylinders is very important, larger is generally better. (though you can go too far)
In short the radiant effect revolves around charges being carried off in certain conditions and the more excess electrons you have the more there are to be carried off. (as for positive charges being made to disappear I suspect that would only occur from plasma not metal)
2: In John Bedini's sketch of the actual tube the cylinders were over the arc not just the electrode, this may have been critical as the radiation from the arc would seemingly be far greater than any radiant release from metal, also the air can make an especially bad capacitor plate when not in a plasmic state. So use plasma as a plate in preference to copper.
3: Edwin's effect is likely the same one that Joseph has demonstrated so effectively (clearly both are radiant charges but most likely both have the same function of leaving the cylinder charged), and that is not cylinders picking up electrons from a radiant event, but cylinders avoiding electrons from a radiant event making their electrical capacity much lower and hence the voltage much much higher.
This now seems rather straightforward to replicate Edwins device and get Free Energy.
However it must be noted that there are both real dangers from charging this variable capacitor too high so start low, start at 12v and go slowly upwards.
And UV exposure will give you bad burns and cancers in no time so ensure if you do run arcs/plasma/UV bulbs that you put a UV shield somewhere between you and the device.
Also it is unlikely to be of an especially dangerous type but this will radiate electrons liberally. (Much like the electricity from Ed's tube which was similarly non-shocking)
I am somewhat more focused on research regarding pulling and pushing EM fields but this is tempting so I may do some work on it, but I would say this is an excellent possibility for anyone who has reasonable skill and safety.
note: Yes, I have posted this under a different title but chose to reboot the thread with a decent first post.
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One more thing.
The greatest difference between Hiddink's radiant effect and the others is that he doesn't have a radiant pulse.
It seemingly happens when you extinguish the plasma.
But that doesn't sound quite right does it?
Stiffler however pointed out that disconnection of the power supply for the tube will send out a pulse, and of course it absolutely will as it has a ballast (choke inductor).
So there is a pulse!
This then should amend any version above that has just the HV, it won't work without a radiant pulse, yes you still need the pulse, he did the switching by hand. (and later via a pvc pipe as it almost broke his arm, yeah he kinda overdid it)
Oh, and one more 'one other thing', though I believe it is poor compared to HV or special pressures/gasses to create a plasma you can conduct electricity through a flame:
http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/flame-amp/flameamp.htm
Who knows, a glass/quartz tube, Al foil, a bunsen burner, an autoignition coil for the pulse and a variable DC voltage source for the flame and you could maybe induce lightening to hit you, good times!
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Stiffler brought up a good point in private communication, if it is related to plasma turning off, then it will work better if both ends are disconnected as Hiddink shows, and it is always best to replicate as close as practicable.
While it is possible that it is the pulse or turning off of current that creates the effect if the plasma turning off full disconnection may help, although it does not appear that Edwin disconnected both ends his battery and diode (and DC HV source) may have played a critical part in extinguishing the plasma quick fast despite remaining connected on one end, it is also maybe possible that Ed's circuit is not accurate?
It is possible that the different gases have different requirements, air plasma readily dies quite fast.
Seriously people, 2 replies to myself? If someone doesn't say something I am going to be unable to post anymore myself for fear of looking all too lonely and lame.
I thought Peter Lindeman had popularized Gray's tube?
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Stiffler brought up a good point in private communication, if it is related to plasma turning off, then it will work better if both ends are disconnected as Hiddink shows, and it is always best to replicate as close as practicable.
While it is possible that it is the pulse or turning off of current that creates the effect if the plasma turning off full disconnection may help, although it does not appear that Edwin disconnected both ends his battery and diode (and DC HV source) may have played a critical part in extinguishing the plasma quick fast despite remaining connected on one end, it is also maybe possible that Ed's circuit is not accurate?
It is possible that the different gases have different requirements, air plasma readily dies quite fast.
Seriously people, 2 replies to myself? If someone doesn't say something I am going to be unable to post anymore myself for fear of looking all too lonely and lame.
I thought Peter Lindeman had popularized Gray's tube?
@aether22
As of this hour, I would strongly suggest that unless you are above average in electronics (mainly HV) that you DO NOT try this for a few more days. As pointed out, 'THIS IS NOT A TOY'.
DO NOT do a typical junk box setup and think you are going for broke to power the house and get all stupid and wild with the charge potential. You will not be here to reap the benefit..........
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@People
If anyone thinks my last post is a joke or BS, think again.
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Update:
Parvel Imris's 'Optical Electrostatic Generator' has been reasonably established as the same core effect: http://www.rexresearch.com/imris/imris.htm
Also it seems the effect is reproducible.
Since Baumann's device is claimed to be based on the nature of lightening, then it can be reasonably assumed that all 4 devices are using the same reproducible radiant capacitive effect.
It is also worth noting that on learning of Hiddink's effect I wondered if the same was being done with Teslas tube powered car and Joseph Hiddink happened to mention to me that he thought it was, if so that is 5!
Nevertheless this technique does seem to be a comparatively rare way of going about electricity production, but not unique.
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TH Moray could have used the same idea inside the special tubes he made.
The antenna would be a "scape route" to electrons.
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I have heard his tube had a rather large capacitance, though I believe he also used another more commonly used FE principle.
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Stiffler managed to get a single pulse that messed with electronics in his lab, clearly replicating the effect Hiddink got.
I hope he does not have a problem with me sharing that, I assume he won't though as with further research he has managed to make a circuit based on the effect and has posted the video though it is a bit different and to be honest I don't fully understand the circuit yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR1KOy0hbuM
Since the general lack of interest is deafening, let me clarify.
The principle effect behind Edwins tube has been replicated, meaning that is seems that replication of Edwins tube or a similar and possibly superior device is relativly straightforward.
That is IMO reasonably noteworthy!
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I'll break the silence--WOW!! ;D
I've been working for the past couple of days to try to get something set up to test this in my lab. I am familiar with HV, safety, etc. I like Dr. Stiffler's choice of Xenon strobes; they will have a much faster quench than the flourescent tubes.
It makes so much sense...really you are drawing energy directly from the environment, as the environment becomes the other terminal of your capacitor. I wonder if this will work in space?
Do you know how the propulsive aspect of this technology works? Is it actually electrostatic or possibly aether related?
Eldarion
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@All
It would appear via communications private communication that the two theories, mine and aether22 are not that far apart, although we approach the application in a somewhat different way
It is strange how all of a sudden things all seem to come to the surface, Gray, Hiddink and now surfaces JL Naudin;
http://www.google.com/patents?q=10%2F472%2C714&btnG=Search+Patents
It appears that Naudin and Hiddink are close in design, what is different in my approach is I do not utilize charged plates.
This may be one of the few things that really go someplace, seems like nothing else is showing any promise.
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Wow, is this the same Naudin of JLN fame?
Also, I thought patents that claimed overunity were automatically rejected!!!...
Abstract
An electric energy source is made by means of a plate capacitor in interposing a set of plasma tubes between the plates. The assembly is subjected to cycles for the charging of the capacitor. These cycles comprise the excitation and the de-excitation of the gas of the plasma tubes. It is shown that the device has an efficiency of more than one.
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One and the same, at least everyone assumes so.
And it is only a patent application, though there are a number of patents that claim OU that get through.
I would also note that I believe this likely is not so different to the Vall?e Synergetic Generator, also tested by Naudin and various others, not all versions have a spark gap BTW, it seems the beta emission can occur from carbon in the right circumstances and then it seems this Beta radiation adds energy to a coil.
I am not quite sure how much of Stifflers current effect is the origonal radiant effect of Hiddink et al and how much is plucking energy from the aether, but it could be that like any good thing it works in multiple ways.
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...how much is plucking energy from the aether, but it could be that like any good thing it works in multiple ways.
Would you mind explaining to me how it could actually get energy from the aether? A defined set of aether manipulation principles (as it sounds like you either have or have theorized extensively about) would be very helpful in our OU quest...
Thanks!
Eldarion
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I intend to write a post on the subject of 'soft/cold' electrons that are required for this effect in the next few days, basically just a bunch of correlations that have struck me of late.
As to the aether it is something I have been researching for a very long time and I know a great deal about it, I am willing to share what I know but I am not sure to what extent much of it relates to this current technological direction, I don't believe most it is a prime part of Hiddink et al effect (beyond the basic creation of soft/radiant electrons) and I simply don't know enough about what Stiffler is currently doing to comment on it.
But if you will answer me this question correctly I will happily share, 'What will you do with the information I give you?'
If you will research correlations and verify what I say, or use the 'keys' I give you in experimental research then I will happily share, but if you will just ignore it because it wasn't what you wanted to hear then I have better uses of my time.
So at this moment we have:
Stifflers successful Xenon based device which is either similar to or inspired by correlations between:
JLN Patent
Imris Pavel
Joseph Hiddink
Edwin Gray
Paul Baumann (Testkica)
Possibly Tesla vacuum tube powered car, Morays high capacitance vacuum tube, Vall?e Synergetic Generator (A bit different but seems to use soft beta radiation, correlates to Ed's tube also).
Am I missing any?
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Here is my plan, as it has been for the past 10 years or so:
1. Verify basic tenets of a theory as fact (as my equipment, expertise, and time permit of course. ;D) I've been doing this for a while now, but have not come across a theory that passed even this stage. I have some expertise in high voltage high speed switching, magnetic design, control systems both digital and analog, etc. as well as a nice 1Gs/sec scope...just waiting to test and verify something with it. ;)
2. Use the verified theory to design an OU device, refining and adding to the theory as new experimental results demand it.
3. Release the entire device to the world freely (no secrets!), and also offer pre-built and tested devices for sale alongside the released info. (Sort of like Redhat and the Fedora project).
If you want to communicate privately with me I can give you my Email address--just PM me if this is OK with you.
BTW I think you forgot the SM TPU as a working device...unless you have evidence to the contrary. 8) Seems like it could use the disruptive discharge to achieve what it does, and do so with older solid-state components. I am constructing a solid-state fast several-Kv impulse generator for use in these type of experiments; just waiting on parts delivery (grr! :D).
Eldarion
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The following document pointed out by eldarion is indeed very relevant and useful:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf
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JLN Patent
Imris Pavel
Joseph Hiddink
Edwin Gray
Paul Baumann (Testkica)
......Paul & Alexandra Correa PAGD
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm
http://www.google.com/patents?id=YoEdAAAAEBAJ&dq=Alexandra+CORREA
http://www.google.com/patents?id=4Nh3AAAAEBAJ&dq=Alexandra+CORREA
....P.T. Farnsworth MULTIPACTOR TUBE
http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/multipact.htm..
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I don't think Correa's are very well correlated to the core effect despite apperances, but possibly (maybe closer to Stiffler's version?)
The Multipactor sure seems different as it is the reverse and it is to create fusion.
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As promised here is my post on soft electrons.
Soft Electrons
The key effect, Hiddink, Gray, Pavel, JLN's Patent, Baumann and Now Stiffer have taken advantage of is related to a negatively charged particle which I will argue is an electron in a peculiar state, it may be that other types of particles can be in this state and even a chance that this particle is not an electron but something else as apparently Tesla believed
In all of these devices (with Stiffler's version possibly only using the effect as a jumping off point to something larger) a capacitor is charged, and one, seemingly the negatively plate is discharged by emission of electrons in an effect discovered by Tesla and noted by many who have worked with Tesla Coils and the like, it is Termed Radiant Energy, the other plate of the capacitor remains charged but now to a much higher potential, the emitted electrons can be collected on distant isolated metal surfaces and as shown in the case of the Hiddink experiment this radiation can kill semiconductors in the immediate area if the pulse is too strong.
The positive plate of the capacitor should preferably have holes to avoid collection of this beta emission which will lower it's remaining charge, This can be seen clearly in Baumann and Gray devices, Gray actually used wire with easily more hole that metal.
The propulsive effect that causes the emission is apparently aetheric in nature however that is beyond the scope of this post. (It is possible however that the force is electrostatic in nature and the aetheric component is related to putting the charges in this curious state)
The curious thing however, is that if there were really enough electrons flying around to kill these electronics, charge these plates and generate so much power the experimenters would be quite dead quite fast, however while some danger has been noted from this radiation it is far far lower than would be expected if this was normal beta radiation.
This mystery seems solved by the fact that such current also acts in an unusual manner in wires, this 'cold current' can flow through insulators at low voltages, and yet does not cause electric shocks as demonstrated by Edwin Gray.
It may also cause an unusually blue light to come from an incandescent bulb and cause semiconductors and possibly other components to become Coler than the ambient temperature. (This may be in part due to such components literally 'leaking' or boiling off such energized electrons, but mainly because electrons in such a state appear smaller and avoid collision)
Tesla in US patent 685,958 describes how an insulated copper plate can absorb such energetic charges from the environment (seemingly from the sun) or from any electrical device able to create such radiation, the collection may be feeble but he describes that these charges at rather low voltages can break through insulation and so recommends high quality capacitors be used.
I have been told he describes these charges as having a lower mass than electrons, but I think many may agree with me before the end of this post that most likely these are electrons, all be it electrons in a different state.
William Barbat in US patent Application #2007/0007844 describes (possibly theoretical) 'low mass' electrons being generated by a copper oxide (copper readily oxidizes in air and quickly at high heats as would have been the case for Tesla's Sheets) coating being struck by light, this is interesting as Teslas copper plates would have very likely oxidized before being coated, Barbat's theory of this enhancing loose coupling transformer operation may also be true but what I have read of his theory of why is nonsense unless these electrons produce a diminished magnetic field and with it less self inductance.
These low mass electrons are also found by mainstream physicists sometimes, in carbon, a material which as I will cover seems ideal for generating these cold electrons, see: http://www.intalek.com/Index/News/PhysicsWeb%20-%20Electrons%20lose%20their%20mass%20in%20carbon%20sheets.htm
Stiffler (and whoever else composed 'ATGroup'?) found these cold electrons in the TMB or Thermal magnetic battery, though the accuracy of the name is disputed.
http://67.76.235.52/tmb.asp
Despite the extreme low voltage a cold blue are was noted:
"Cold Blue Arc. When a load is connected or disconnected to a TMB cell an arc can bee seen of approximately 1/16" in length. This arc is light blue in color and not something typically seen in normal electronic circuits. The arc is wide compared to its length and is quite broad in size when initially appearing.
This is extraordinary since the voltage output of a TMB is somewhere from 50-300mv, very very low voltages to be producing an arc of about 1.5mm when the normal requirement would be 1,500v to breach a 1.5mm gap, a voltage 5000 times high than found from even 2 TMB's in series.
Also note the arc is again 'cold' suggesting that these electrons didn't transfer much kinetic energy either due to their lower mass or like the electrons in a superconductor they tend to avoid interaction.
This avoiding interaction would appear to possibly a form of enhanced tunneling, the aether does seem to be the medium in which quantum events play out but my manipulating the aether it seems possible that tuantum mechanical events may be enhanced.
It is worth noting that 'ormus' or 'm-State' elements which are monatomic elements have been found to tunnel out of containers, it seems that even atoms can gain a similar energetic and low mass state.
Carbon spark gaps/arcs have been noted to run cold and produce excess energy by a number of experimenters (Among them Frolov and Sonne Ward but it has been noted by many others), it is interesting that Edwin used large carbon blocks, while it seems that he used them in part to create a voltage difference required for the capacitive effect as apparent from the MKay document noted earlier in this thread it seems likely that Carbon (Graphite) is effective at producing these low mass electrons.
Ren?-Louis Vall?e has a theory where Carbon is transmuted into radioactive Boron (a proton grabs an electron) which then decays back into carbon (20 ms half life) releasing a high energy electron, with far more energy that the electron had to have to turn the carbon into Boron.
This reaction seems unlikely, nuclear reactions do not tend to be over Unity, and the beta radiation would again be deadly.
While his theory seems probably entirely wrong it has been replicated by several including JLN and others on the OU board with success:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0/topicseen.html
In some versions there is an Arc, in others there is just a short through a carbon rod, however it does seem that this carbon rod releases radiation, it has been measured and one experimenter believed they got a radiation burn from it.
The VSG effect then seems to be a similar effect, however it has no capacitance and instead the beta radiation from the high current passing through the carbon rod is put to work by entering a coil and is entrained by an existing current adding energy to it.
I believe that Edwin may have used the carbon to further 'Soften' the electrons and I believe he may have used diodes and voltages to suck as many 'hard' electrons out of the emitting electrode and anything near it as possible, either to enhance the effect or to make is safer.
I do not know if 'hard' electrons can be carried along in the rush (or if there are intermediate levels of 'softness') but if so it would not only be an issue of performance but also safety.
It is worth noting that the replication mentioned in the MKay document has a dangerous radiation and it is likely due to an insufficiently softened beta, greater softness should result in both greater power output and a far far safer even beneficial output IMO.
So the question turns to other ways to make these cold/soft electrons.
First though I must note that Richard Lefores Clark proposed the existence of 'Soft' electrons which sound very much the same animal although his theory seems to concern things my theory does not.
It is also worth noting that Hans Coler mentioned 'Space Electrons' moving between his capacitive plates, between the 'repelling and attracting spaces'.
We will consider his methods later.
Boyd Bushman in US patent 5,929,732 shows a magnetic device that projects a magnetic field an improbable distance, there are 2 other cases of people projecting DC magnetic fields impossible distances, and also one where an AC magnetic field projected impossible distances to cause a force of a distant aligned magnet.
Boyd's device also falls slower than an object of the same mass and size.
In his patent he describes an experiment where a VDG charged IIRC negatively which only has the ability to discharge a fraction of an inch can discharge 6 feet! through the air from the influence of 2 of his magnetic beamers, one of the beamers being north and one south (the arc hitting the south pole beamer).
Peter Markovitch made a solid state device seen here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/markovic/atree.htm
It has one very curious quality, it can pick up DC induction, something that though strange is not unique among FE devices, and it can have it flow in useful levels in various circuit configs some of which include open circuits.
If we look at Coler (current through magnet cores), Boyd Bushman, Markovitch (silver conductor with electromagnet wrapped over) we see the same design, current is passing through a magnetic field! This can cause the current to spiral, if this vortex flow is the reason I don't know but I suspect it is not exclusively.
We see verification of this in JLN's replication of the VSG, if a coil produced a magnetic field of this orientation the energy output increased greatly.
If we now again look at the TMB we see the same config, where the current (which strangely passes through the dielectric in the cell) moves along magnetic field lines.
We also can note that Baumann powered his machine in large part be a cell very similar to the TMB, called 'The Linden Experiment', it is essentially identical to the TMB with this same magnetic field and current config.
There are many other strange effects from this config, Hamdi Ucar for instance with a few volts got ionization from a coil with a similar crossing quality, lots of strange effects have been reported from such Mobius and Caduceus coils and it would take a separate post to cover this angle properly.
Interestingly (and it is a word of warning) I have heard from 2 different sources neither of which I have any reason to believe knew of each other and both reported that coils of this type may produce XRays! Speeding electrons Batman! Both had experienced this in their research! (One of them (a Dr.) also got levitation, and reported that it happens if you put in over something like 5 volts)
Before I had found that out from either of them I did experiments with similar coils creating a beam and I got the strangest Helli hover over my house in a way I have never seen before or since, he just sat there for quite a while as I was doing my experiments, just maybe I caused something that could be detected as an anomaly.
Before I change subject a bit I will include this video and while I can't explain everything that occurs I think you will be able to agree it explains a lot of what occurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70 (watch the next 2 from him also)
Same setup, electron flow along magnetic field and can arc through air despite low voltage being applied.
Patrick Flanagan in US Patent 4,743,275 'Electron field generator' describes a capacitor with a dielectric dropped with tiny metal particles, the entire thing is then insulated and attached to a HV AC generator.
This despite being insulated against the voltages applied emits electrons, these do not act light ions which are flow to permeate a living environment, this thing acts radiantly.
He is creating the same low mass electrons that can thumb their nise at insulation.
The method he is using is one used by many to create an aetheric effect but it would be taking this too far off subject to go there as most cases where this effect has been used has nothing to do with our subject but I could list 20 cases of this principle being used. For those curious anyay here is a sample: Ormus, Bions, Orgonite, BaFe with or without Piezo (MRA & Sweet and Dan Davidson) plus a device Stan deyo describes in a rare video lecture of a device he built, CSE, Mesmer, Patterson Cell, Hermann Plausonn and JLN's segmented replication of the Newman motor (those last 2 to be researched together, oh and with Kipper with the MWO for inspiration)
One exception is: http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
Coherers (metal powder gaining conduction) were used in the early days of radio to detect transmission, the type of radios used would release an aetheric shockwave from the wire and this aether impulse would create a highly energetic state as it tries to pass through metal powder. (Literally an energetic/agitated space/aether/vacuum similar to the conditions Hutchison creates)
This could very well be how Hiddink's device and Stiffler's semi replication works among others, noble gases are monatomic and tend to create this same effects as verified by experimenters including DMBoss who is active of this forum, this is probably how the electrons are conditioned to become soft/cold.
Storms and the Hutchison effect (And Podkletnov's impulse device) sometimes curiously cause things to become not so solid so they may pass through each other, it seems likely that the same thing is occurring, that space (the space (Aether) that matter drags along) is becoming highly energized, i have established that inertia is almost certainly due to a delay between matter the aether it tends to entrain to come up to speed, if however the aether or matter is in such a state that they are held on to much more tightly there there would indeed be less inertia.
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Reich found that tiny energetic particles (bions) created this spatial radiation he termed orgone. He found that this energy could be infused into matter and matter could retain this radiation, he could charge a Gieger counter and it would click at a far higher rate and yet there was no danger. (If I have to tell you why the clicks increased then chances are this thread isn't for you)
Obviously, he was charging the electrons with orgone which is precisely what these cold/soft electrons are, why they avoid doing damage, they are orgone (energetic vacuum) infused electrons. The energetic vacuum which they pull around with them (magnetic and electric fields do tend to entrain aether) is the key to their curious effects.
Many reading this will know I have not even mentioned torsion research even though it should be obvious it's the same thing and the same effects have been found.
I think that should cover it pretty well, I think most non-skeptics would agree that there is a strong weight of evidence for these easily emitted and relatively non dangerous charges being emitted, and that this emission can be collected generating excess energy as well as avoided to create excess energy be reduction of capacity.
Stiffler is using the effect but 'APPEARS' to be not only gaining from the Hiddink effect but using the aether disruption created by the emission to draw in more power by a different means.
Edit: Regarding the 'Hydrogen Tap' video, it occurs to me that this has similarities to as effect noted in the GEET and plasma reactors of the same type, the plasma flow along the magnetic field, it spirals and at a certain point there is a change and that is where the action takes place (Transmutation).
It strikes me that the current in the magnet in 'hydrogen's' vid may be doing the same thing, being so wound up (energized) by the motion through the field that it can't go any further and when a critical mass of these electrons builds up it discharges the only way it can, radially.
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@All
I guess some one is following this, funny because its one of the few things that work.
Do a YouTube search for MRH2O2 and K4ZEP, sort by latest and see that this is an amazing device.
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great experiment
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=11Hp_ZSs728
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=2EiAkWIdv48
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=yUDHDzX7iOw
Tanks
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It may also cause an unusually blue light to come from an incandescent bulb
Despite the extreme low voltage a cold blue are was noted:
One of them (a Dr.) also got levitation, and reported that it happens if you put in over something like 5 volts)
I got the strangest Helli hover over my house in a way I have never seen before
Thanx for this cool post, aether
I know this really off topic, but those sentences reminded me of a story from last month, that makes
me wonder if the US Military works on this too .... but is far ahead :o
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1432&category=Environment (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1432&category=Environment)
Some Eye Witnesses and even Man in Black arround ;D
But over on the Colorado River, R. B. was only about 400 yards from where the fiery turquoise-blue object hit the ground on the west side of the river. R. B. has requested anonymity because he?s afraid the U. S. government hurts people who report UFOs. He did not even want his voice recorded. R. B. has lived in a houseboat on the Colorado River for thirty some years. He was outside at 3 AM fishing when he saw the brilliant, turquoise-blue flaming object. When it hit the ground about 100 yards west of the river, he saw the whole thing bounce back up in the air with even more glowing red-yellow pieces around the big center object. And yet, he did not hear the crash sound he expected. ?There was only a thump sound,? he told me.
But he was afraid that some kind of plane had crashed and urgently went down to the lower deck of his houseboat to get his cell phone and climbed back up to the top deck to get a satellite signal for his phone. When he had a signal, he kept dialing 911, but only got a busy signal. All of this took about seven minutes after the crash. Then to his complete amazement, John Smith heard the loud sound of a sky-hook, or skycrane, helicopter coming fast in the night sky. The next thing he knew, the still-glowing object was hooked underneath the skycrane and carried away rapidly.
Greetz
Andi
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Hi Gang,
Working in the background, posting video's of what I see. Will leave theories to others, let Dr. Stiffler post schematics as this is a spin off of his work............Still working on instrumentation but it is a very difficult environment to work with.....IT is the damnedest light and heat producing device. The loop does give indications of powering an inductive device very well also........Very loose guesswork would tend to indicate a "gainful" environment but will make no claims until I am sure and have X checked it with Dr. Stiffler......
ALSO PLEASE WHEN WORKING IN THE 5-10KV high current environment if you do not know what you are doing DONT DO IT. The voltages and currents here are absolutely LETHEL...........................IF you do not know the techniques for working with VERY HIGH VOLTAGE, say hello to St. Peter for me..........
Ben
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Stiffler has done excellent work with this, but Ben so have you!
And Stiffler didn't begin this, I did (though if he hadn't done some damn good work it would still only be correlations and I suck so hard in the lab or at conveying my ideas it would be nowhere).
So you are more than free to post your circuit, I am saying this for selfish reasons of course, I want to try the circuit!
And to establish that this pretty well proves that my correlations and observations ARE valid and valuable, so maybe even before I get to give things a try you can.
For instance try running the current through a magnetic field (electro or permenant), and try it both ways.
I am encouraged that the carbon works as expected, and a DC electromagnet around carbon core would be ideal.
There is something else that I think will work and I think something you have said indicated you may have already found indications of it, we'll see.
BTW circuit diagrams of vid 3 and 4 would be appreciated.
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http://www.wbabin.net/science/tombe26.pdf
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Stiffler has done excellent work with this, but Ben so have you!
And Stiffler didn't begin this, I did (though if he hadn't done some damn good work it would still only be correlations and I suck so hard in the lab or at conveying my ideas it would be nowhere).
So you are more than free to post your circuit, I am saying this for selfish reasons of course, I want to try the circuit!
And to establish that this pretty well proves that my correlations and observations ARE valid and valuable, so maybe even before I get to give things a try you can.
For instance try running the current through a magnetic field (electro or permenant), and try it both ways.
I am encouraged that the carbon works as expected, and a DC electromagnet around carbon core would be ideal.
There is something else that I think will work and I think something you have said indicated you may have already found indications of it, we'll see.
BTW circuit diagrams of vid 3 and 4 would be appreciated.
@aether22
Interesting, where did "Stiffler" say it was his idea? Did it not all come from the 1800's - 1900's?
So................. Strange!
No problem at all, I have learned a valued lesson here.
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@aether22
Interesting, where did "Stiffler" say it was his idea? Did it not all come from the 1800's - 1900's?
So................. Strange!
No problem at all, I have learned a valued lesson here.
Um, you didn't.
I was correcting the perception that Ben seemed to have in his posts/videos.
While I have no idea what Ben thought, from what he said I would have figured you had been working on this for months and this was effectively solely 'yours'.
But whatever, yes, it has all come from the work of others and that was my point, only that this is very much a public collaboration.
Not sure why things have to turn personal, I like and respect you, I like and respect Ben.
Seems that sometimes these damned soulless texts we send each other don't convey sufficient depth of meaning allowing things to be read in ways we didn't intend or even comprehend.
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Now let's get back to science and leave the dramatic stuff to the daytime soaps?
We have important things to tackle.
I am trying to setup Ben's deal but the size of the cap has me confused, Ben says 5 microfarads where you sent me a diagram with an 8.9nf cap, Ben's is over 500 times the size.
Also I am not sure how it has been established that the extra energy is from the Fl tube, with the Xenons it's clear it's a different circuit but how do we know it's the same thing?
Very cool that the tube is bypassed in Ben's 3rd vid because it means that you can gen as much power as you want (or are able to) with probably an almost endless life from the tube, but Ben have you removed the tube to verify it was key to the effect? I will try that myself as soon as I can figure out how to do this without electrocuting myself.
I have all the gear but need to clear some nice nonconductive space with not too many conductive things around, but hey if Ben can find the space!
Can we be friends again and get back to science?
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The reason Naudin's mhog generates heat is that the copper vessel is a one turn coil shorted out.
The electrons and subsequent free energy come from the H2 to H1 transmute and this process is well known and understood. The reason people fail at Gray tube replications is they do not fill the tube with H2 under a vacuum.
Some have argued that the H2 does not deplete and that is the reason that the H2 is not the source of energy. Rubbish - There is enough energy in a cubic mm of mass to run a large city for a day once converted into the atomic energy of the mass. Not everything that counts can be counted - Albert Einstein This is how all free energy machines that I am aware of operate.
Take for instance the Methernitha. On the tube on top you can clearly see a tube with a thin wall (the H2 vacuum tube that is pulsed with high voltage) and then wrapped around that is a loose coil to collect the BETA and then around that is a thicker glass tube to shield the BETA. I.e., it is a gray tube.
It all begins with a cavitation (the spark) which produces electron clusters which explode to produce electron cascade which is where the mass to energy conversion takes place. If you ever learned one thing about free energy machines, that was what you needed to know and that is not an overstatement.
Take any free energy device that has been tested. Find the cavitation and from there figure out what type of mass was converted into the atomic energy contained in the mass. In the case of a H-bomb, which is a free energy machine, it is obviously the hydrogen and a neutron source that is converted into atomic energy. And no, economic free energy machines don't violate thermodynamics any more than the h-bomb.
Cavitation can occur in any mass in any state and is one of the least understood and single most important aspect of an economic free energy machine.
Here is one more that everybody missed - the Tesla manifold. It is a manifold designed to produce cavitation. It had nothing to do with pumping liquid and had everything to do with his deathray. There was one located on each of the barrels of the H2 tubes that fired the beam.
I suspect the egg shaped center pieces were his magnetic eggs and they produced what some call Anarov Bohm effect which is just a polarized electromagnetic cavitation and the basis of many free energy machines. In fact, on the Methernitha, the horse shoe magnets are connected at the top and the legs are magnetized such that one is North and the other is South. This magnetically splits the electron stream and then the capacitor plates between the legs collect the spin curl wave that is produced.
Ron Stiffler might want to consider replacing his loop antenna with something along these lines and might see something more productive on the output.
Magical terms like Aether and radiant energy keep people from understanding the science that produces mass to energy conversion.
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The reason Naudin's mhog generates heat is that the copper vessel is a one turn coil shorted out.
The electrons and subsequent free energy come from the H2 to H1 transmute and this process is well known and understood.
The Naudin patent referenced has nothing to do with the MHOG.
The reason people fail at Gray tube replications is they do not fill the tube with H2 under a vacuum.
If you read the Mkay document you'll see it's not needed and people do get results, and Gray did not use H2, but I am not disputing your theory/idea/correlation about h2 and electrons.
Some have argued that the H2 does not deplete and that is the reason that the H2 is not the source of energy. Rubbish - There is enough energy in a cubic mm of mass to run a large city for a day once converted into the atomic energy of the mass. Not everything that counts can be counted - Albert Einstein This is how all free energy machines that I am aware of operate.
Take for instance the Methernitha. On the tube on top you can clearly see a tube with a thin wall (the H2 vacuum tube that is pulsed with high voltage) and then wrapped around that is a loose coil to collect the BETA and then around that is a thicker glass tube to shield the BETA. I.e., it is a gray tube.
It all begins with a cavitation (the spark) which produces electron clusters which explode to produce electron cascade which is where the mass to energy conversion takes place. If you ever learned one thing about free energy machines, that was what you needed to know and that is not an overstatement.
While I am far from sure you are correct in the conclusions you draw I do think that you may still be correct and at any rate are close to the truth or have useful correlations, I have considered that electron clusters are a part of the effect.
I appreciate your idea and think it may be worth looking into if the current direction seems not to work out, though I suspect it will and already is.
Take any free energy device that has been tested. Find the cavitation and from there figure out what type of mass was converted into the atomic energy contained in the mass.
Most FE devices really have nothing close to cavitation, but I'd be happy for you to prove otherwise, I have however found aetheric principles to run throughout, and others have thought they have found acoustic connections but I don't know.
I do know that atomic principles can't come close to explaining the strangeness so I do think you are trying to force a pattern somewhat, but as long as you don't try and overextend you likely have some observations of value.
But really IMO just observe and don't predict where it's going, let the tech speak to you in clues and correlations, don't project beyond what the data clearly shows, my theories have almost always proven wrong but my observations and correlation never have even once, and what's more they fit new tech I learn about.
In the case of a H-bomb, which is a free energy machine, it is obviously the hydrogen and a neutron source that is converted into atomic energy. And no, economic free energy machines don't violate thermodynamics any more than the h-bomb.
Cavitation can occur in any mass in any state and is one of the least understood and single most important aspect of an economic free energy machine.
Here is one more that everybody missed - the Tesla manifold. It is a manifold designed to produce cavitation. It had nothing to do with pumping liquid and had everything to do with his deathray. There was one located on each of the barrels of the H2 tubes that fired the beam.
That's an interesting and unique claim but I have no idea how you claim to know that.
I suspect the egg shaped center pieces were his magnetic eggs and they produced what some call Anarov Bohm (Aharonov-Bohm) effect which is just a polarized electromagnetic cavitation and the basis of many free energy machines. In fact, on the Methernitha, the horse shoe magnets are connected at the top and the legs are magnetized such that one is North and the other is South. This magnetically splits the electron stream and then the capacitor plates between the legs collect the spin curl wave that is produced.
Ron Stiffler might want to consider replacing his loop antenna with something along these lines and might see something more productive on the output.
Magical terms like Aether and radiant energy keep people from understanding the science that produces mass to energy conversion.
Nope.
Here's the thing.
I HATED the concept of the aether, so mysterious and fuzzy, new agey and magical.
But never the less I knew that all these devices must be connected and that if I studied I must find correlations.
At first I looked for the correlations I wanted to see, then I looked for any correlation on the conventional level.
Then I could see correlation I had not wanted to see but they were there and unlike the others which really didn't work over more that a device or 2 these worked on every device and agreed with every clue.
In the end you really must look at the correlations and clues and they point very squarely at the aether.
The aether IS real, but if you don't like the term fine, all I really just said is that the vacuum IS real as there is really no distance between the Driac sea/virtual particle foam/zpf-zpe/fabric of space/active vacuum and the fluid void accepted as making up all matter considered proven by mainstream nobel winning QCD which has been proven.
Mainstream science has managed to bring back every aspect of the aether and just call it different names.
But hey hated aether theory and so I don't expect you to take my word for it but it is the truth, I have been studying these devices full time for well over a decade and if I could possibly come to a different conclusion I would have but the evidence for the aether is inescapable, you don't have to agree but it's what I know not what I believe (you will likely assume I'm being arrogant but I'm not).
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Ok, so back to the subject, I had to go out, didn't really want to as it precluded me from experimenting but I got another long and a short fluro tube, the short one will be easier to work with but now I have 2 long ones so I can try Stifflers 2 tube setup with the fluros, I also got some incandescent lightbulbs, couldn't find 7w but got 2x 25w and at 240v if I put them in series that's the same as a US 6.25w bulb though should be more resistant to dying.
I however have a bad habit of talking about experiments far more than doing experiments so I'd better shut up and correct that ratio.
If anyone more skilled in any of this is still talking to me hopefully some coaching should get me through.
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Very very weird.
I replicated the circuit that Stiffler sent, and by chance I think the cap I rolled was pretty spot on.
Sadly however I didn't get the light Stiffler (or Ben) reports, but then again I only turned it on for the first time 2 mins ago. (strangely my frequency was much lower than Stifflers so maybe there really was an extra accidental zero in the diagram he sent me? But I have not even adjusted the gap yet, huh didn't even think about that, I'm not a practical person)
But when I turned the juice way way up, well I got something very unexpected, to me anyway.
The incandescent filaments lit albeit a dim red, but you know how I was using 2 in series?
One lit but the other didn't! (not in the least)
Now I type this I wonder how much/little current could possibly flow through one but not the other, there is only a short bit of wire in between.
The bulbs are both in series between the tube and the spark gap, I can make a video if anyone likes, but there is no capacitive coupling or bare wire between the bubs that could really allow current to flow through one but not the other.
And yes, naturally my next thought was to see if both lit when connected to 240v and they do.
Very strange, does anyone else get this if they try 2 bulbs?
BTW Stiffler, since whatever this tiff is (I mean seriously, are you on your period or something? WTF did I say??, ok NOW you can be mad at me for something) you have not answered any emails so at the very least can you indicate you will read experiment reports I send to you, if so I'll send developments to you and Ben in private first if I deem that best, but don't want to be unsure if your even reading what I send.
This is important research and if the person who possibly best understands it can't communicate with the lead person doing the experimentation that's likely going to hurt progress so whatever your beef surely we can get past it. (assuming I'm not blowing this out of proportion and your lack of communication isn't unrelated)
Ok, now back to the Lab...
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I actually managed it seems to have killed one of the 25w incandescent bulbs, and not by red hot current through the filament that's for sure, but more of a blue hv plasma globe effect in the bulb.
But before it died I THINK I had established that the difference seemed to be a difference in the bulb not the position in the circuit.
If that is the case then maybe if I had the 7w 110-120v bulbs Stiffer and Ben used I'd be getting light?
Also damn well unexpected, the remaining bulb will light but sometimes instead of going through the light bulb making it glow weakly it will arc across the air finding it more agreeable than the impedance of a 25w bulb!
Very strange, Ben pretty much told me I wasn't cut out to investigate this and indeed I think he's right.
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I actually managed it seems to have killed one of the 25w incandescent bulbs, and not by red hot current through the filament that's for sure, but more of a blue hv plasma globe effect in the bulb.
But before it died I THINK I had established that the difference seemed to be a difference in the bulb not the position in the circuit.
If that is the case then maybe if I had the 7w 110-120v bulbs Stiffer and Ben used I'd be getting light?
Also damn well unexpected, the remaining bulb will light but sometimes instead of going through the light bulb making it glow weakly it will arc across the air finding it more agreeable than the impedance of a 25w bulb!
Very strange, Ben pretty much told me I wasn't cut out to investigate this and indeed I think he's right.
@aether22
PLEASE!
Take two Prozac and 'Don't Call Me In The Morning'
Dude...............
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@Ether22
This was a very promising thread, Why have you gone quiet?
Anyone, are you still in communication with Aether22? He has not been here for about 3 months.
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Yes, it is very promising indeed.
For some reason Stiffler after making it work and produce what seemed like very impressive excess energy lost interest.
And I am more focused on experiments that involve certain types of aether manipulation that I can imagine expanding to produce different technologies rather than having 'Just' Free Energy, and as I can't see how to modify this system for different uses I am not quite interested enough.
However the reality is that the effect is real and readily reproducible and able to make excess energy.
The kicker is that no one is interested!
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Aether 22
good to hear from you
Yes this is an interesting thread
Stiffler's link is listed on the link's section at the left
What about this new research? anything you can share?
Chet
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Good to see you are still around.
Forget Stiffler and watch this space!
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Forget Stiffler and watch this space!
I'm all eyes,, watching,, watching .... KneeDeep
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Ever notice how many thread titles on this forum don't deliver what they claim?
"solved"
"the key"
"smoking gun-finally"
"I've got it..."
"Successful replication..."
"here it is at last"
"bedini motor to run itself"
and so on and so forth...
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@TinselKoala
There is information and mis-information and the history of the person posting but ultimately you must judge by yourself.
Aether22 has been very generous with the information he has given I don't expect a circuit diagram and a BOM from him but I know I can
count on him when I have an intelligent question. There are a few others who share the same goal but again you have to find them out by
yourself.
By the way, did you read this thread from page 1 and followed every reference?
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I actually managed it seems to have killed one of the 25w incandescent bulbs, and not by red hot current through the filament that's for sure, but more of a blue hv plasma globe effect in the bulb.
But before it died I THINK I had established that the difference seemed to be a difference in the bulb not the position in the circuit.
If that is the case then maybe if I had the 7w 110-120v bulbs Stiffer and Ben used I'd be getting light?
Also damn well unexpected, the remaining bulb will light but sometimes instead of going through the light bulb making it glow weakly it will arc across the air finding it more agreeable than the impedance of a 25w bulb!
Very strange, Ben pretty much told me I wasn't cut out to investigate this and indeed I think he's right.
Howdy,
Just found this thread, read it from start to finish and it is most interesting. I haven't been posting anything to anywhere for a while but slowly keep working. When I find something new, I will put it on YouTube.
First let me apologize for telling you that you were not cut out to investigate this, that was not mine to say. Everyone can work and theorize at their level of abilities and some are better theorists and some are better cut and solder type of fellows. Without a good theory tying all this together, we can build circuits and "Play" as my wife says, with circuits till the cows come home and we won't get anywhere.
There are so many levels of experimenters here from raw beginners to Doctorate and above, that keeping our heads, being civil and working onward sometimes is a chore. A total misunderstanding of basic electronics from a beginner might seem unforgivable to more gifted and long time experimenters but in the end we all input something to the process. Let us continue this quest at all levels.
Happy Holidays,
Ben K4ZEP
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@TinselKoala
There is information and mis-information and the history of the person posting but ultimately you must judge by yourself.
Aether22 has been very generous with the information he has given I don't expect a circuit diagram and a BOM from him but I know I can
count on him when I have an intelligent question. There are a few others who share the same goal but again you have to find them out by
yourself.
By the way, did you read this thread from page 1 and followed every reference?
Yes. Every reference that I hadn't seen before and thought was worthwhile, yes.
Now, can you tell me who has gotten better results from electrostatic machines than I have? Because I missed that part.
Also, can you tell me exactly how Edwin's tube and Baumann's machine works? I mean the "solution" that will allow me to replicate the effects, not some jargon-filled pseudoscientific theorizing.
No?
Somehow I didn't think so.
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Ever notice how many thread titles on this forum don't deliver what they claim?
"solved"
"the key"
"smoking gun-finally"
"I've got it..."
"Successful replication..."
"here it is at last"
"bedini motor to run itself"
and so on and so forth...
It's impossible not to notice !
Cheers
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It's impossible not to notice !
Cheers
I was going to let this go but if you read this thread you would see that the functioning of it is solved, perhaps not 100% in detail but the main working function has been understood, correlated and replicated.
So take skeptical bull elsewhere to a thread that actually has enough interested people for you (HT/TK) to dissuade.
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@aether22
Are you at all tempted to continue your great work here? It would be awesome to see this replicated and doing what we all hope it does.
Either way, great work so far!
Regards,
Ben.
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I am tempted yes, but I am not currently sufficiently tempted.
It would be almost certain to work since Stiffler did it, and the Mckay document details another replication.
And then JLN made a version that worked according to the patent he has.
And Imris Pavel, Hiddink etc...
But I think that partly the reason no one has enough interest is because it's going to be dangerous and beyond the average persons ability to build (not far beyond but still).
It ejects 'soft electrons' and these can cause issues in electronics.
It really would be more suited for a company to manufacture them and sell them to the public or better yet make powerplants to produce cheap electricity.
It's the best bet if you want to make a Free Energy device but possibly the worst bet for one that everyone will build themselves.
I will help anyone who is interested in replications, I have the schematics from Stifflers successful seemingly dramatic OU run and also emails from Hiddink.
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I was going to let this go but if you read this thread you would see that the functioning of it is solved, perhaps not 100% in detail but the main working function has been understood, correlated and replicated.
So take skeptical bull elsewhere to a thread that actually has enough interested people for you (HT/TK) to dissuade.
Chill out. Observation is not dissuation.
Merry Xmas
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But I think that partly the reason no one has enough interest is because it's going to be dangerous and beyond the average persons ability to build (not far beyond but still).
It ejects 'soft electrons' and these can cause issues in electronics.
@aether22
The are many competant and incompetant people here.
Please can you elaborate on the exact safety issues as you perceive them.
I am not sure what level of expertise do you feel is necessary for a competant person to work on this.
1- If one feels comfortable working on (old) TV sets does he qualify with respect to the safety aspect? How many KVs are you talking about?
2- You mentioned wrong design can bring lightening down. How do you know this and how do we go about avoiding it?
3- Have I missed out anything?
I am already planning on working on this but I will have to make the power supplies but I am not sure the voltage range and current required.
Regards
AM
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Hi @ALL,
I am new here and this is my first post.
I have collected all the parts to make a Gray tube (from the Bedidni drawings) but I am short of the 5kV 12uF capacitors (I'll need 2).
Can anyone tell me where I can find these? My high voltage source is 7kV so I would need a higher voltage rating than the 5kV listed in the drawings.
When I am done, I will share my results on this forum.
Thanks.
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I am tempted yes, but I am not currently sufficiently tempted.
It would be almost certain to work since Stiffler did it, and the Mckay document details another replication.
And then JLN made a version that worked according to the patent he has.
And Imris Pavel, Hiddink etc...
But I think that partly the reason no one has enough interest is because it's going to be dangerous and beyond the average persons ability to build (not far beyond but still).
It ejects 'soft electrons' and these can cause issues in electronics.
It really would be more suited for a company to manufacture them and sell them to the public or better yet make powerplants to produce cheap electricity.
It's the best bet if you want to make a Free Energy device but possibly the worst bet for one that everyone will build themselves.
I will help anyone who is interested in replications, I have the schematics from Stifflers successful seemingly dramatic OU run and also emails from Hiddink.
@aether22
I hope you stick around here for a while. I have a desktop full of circuits and sparks, and there are no other threads here or at energetic that are maintaining a focus on this device. The carbon reaction thread was valuable (but seems to have died), and the water spark plug discussion is also valuable, but does not go back to apply the concepts to the Gray tube.
I've been waiting for some action here since it stalled in August, and I'm glad to see some anxious people. Any successful effort is going to take people of all backgrounds working together. Let's just ignore the negative people and they will go away.
Thank you for all you have brought to this forum.
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I'd like the circuits or more you can give.
Thanks.
LLTFDANIEL@GOOGLEMAIL.COM
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The only information I know is Paul Baumann (Testatika) works using a special stone (maybe germanium) to get energy from the Earth Potential, and there is something called 'Electron Cascade Effect'.
Some Ev Gray's work is similar to Henry Moray's Work, both worked at 6,000 Hertz