The reason Naudin's mhog generates heat is that the copper vessel is a one turn coil shorted out.

The electrons and subsequent free energy come from the H2 to H1 transmute and this process is well known and understood.

The Naudin patent referenced has nothing to do with the MHOG.

The reason people fail at Gray tube replications is they do not fill the tube with H2 under a vacuum.

If you read the Mkay document you'll see it's not needed and people do get results, and Gray did not use H2, but I am not disputing your theory/idea/correlation about h2 and electrons.

Some have argued that the H2 does not deplete and that is the reason that the H2 is not the source of energy. Rubbish - There is enough energy in a cubic mm of mass to run a large city for a day once converted into the atomic energy of the mass. Not everything that counts can be counted - Albert Einstein This is how all free energy machines that I am aware of operate.

Take for instance the Methernitha. On the tube on top you can clearly see a tube with a thin wall (the H2 vacuum tube that is pulsed with high voltage) and then wrapped around that is a loose coil to collect the BETA and then around that is a thicker glass tube to shield the BETA. I.e., it is a gray tube.

It all begins with a cavitation (the spark) which produces electron clusters which explode to produce electron cascade which is where the mass to energy conversion takes place. If you ever learned one thing about free energy machines, that was what you needed to know and that is not an overstatement.

While I am far from sure you are correct in the conclusions you draw I do think that you may still be correct and at any rate are close to the truth or have useful correlations, I have considered that electron clusters are a part of the effect.
I appreciate your idea and think it may be worth looking into if the current direction seems not to work out, though I suspect it will and already is.

Take any free energy device that has been tested. Find the cavitation and from there figure out what type of mass was converted into the atomic energy contained in the mass.

Most FE devices really have nothing close to cavitation, but I'd be happy for you to prove otherwise, I have however found aetheric principles to run throughout, and others have thought they have found acoustic connections but I don't know.
I do know that atomic principles can't come close to explaining the strangeness so I do think you are trying to force a pattern somewhat, but as long as you don't try and overextend you likely have some observations of value.
But really IMO just observe and don't predict where it's going, let the tech speak to you in clues and correlations, don't project beyond what the data clearly shows, my theories have almost always proven wrong but my observations and correlation never have even once, and what's more they fit new tech I learn about.

In the case of a H-bomb, which is a free energy machine, it is obviously the hydrogen and a neutron source that is converted into atomic energy. And no, economic free energy machines don't violate thermodynamics any more than the h-bomb.

Cavitation can occur in any mass in any state and is one of the least understood and single most important aspect of an economic free energy machine.

Here is one more that everybody missed - the Tesla manifold. It is a manifold designed to produce cavitation. It had nothing to do with pumping liquid and had everything to do with his deathray. There was one located on each of the barrels of the H2 tubes that fired the beam.

That's an interesting and unique claim but I have no idea how you claim to know that.

I suspect the egg shaped center pieces were his magnetic eggs and they produced what some call Anarov Bohm (Aharonov-Bohm) effect which is just a polarized electromagnetic cavitation and the basis of many free energy machines. In fact, on the Methernitha, the horse shoe magnets are connected at the top and the legs are magnetized such that one is North and the other is South. This magnetically splits the electron stream and then the capacitor plates between the legs collect the spin curl wave that is produced.

Ron Stiffler might want to consider replacing his loop antenna with something along these lines and might see something more productive on the output.

Magical terms like Aether and radiant energy keep people from understanding the science that produces mass to energy conversion.

Nope.
Here's the thing.

I HATED the concept of the aether, so mysterious and fuzzy, new agey and magical.
But never the less I knew that all these devices must be connected and that if I studied I must find correlations.
At first I looked for the correlations I wanted to see, then I looked for any correlation on the conventional level.
Then I could see correlation I had not wanted to see but they were there and unlike the others which really didn't work over more that a device or 2 these worked on every device and agreed with every clue.
In the end you really must look at the correlations and clues and they point very squarely at the aether.

The aether IS real, but if you don't like the term fine, all I really just said is that the vacuum IS real as there is really no distance between the Driac sea/virtual particle foam/zpf-zpe/fabric of space/active vacuum and the fluid void accepted as making up all matter considered proven by mainstream nobel winning QCD which has been proven.
Mainstream science has managed to bring back every aspect of the aether and just call it different names.

But hey hated aether theory and so I don't expect you to take my word for it but it is the truth, I have been studying these devices full time for well over a decade and if I could possibly come to a different conclusion I would have but the evidence for the aether is inescapable, you don't have to agree but it's what I know not what I believe (you will likely assume I'm being arrogant but I'm not).

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Ok, so back to the subject, I had to go out, didn't really want to as it precluded me from experimenting but I got another long and a short fluro tube, the short one will be easier to work with but now I have 2 long ones so I can try Stifflers 2 tube setup with the fluros, I also got some incandescent lightbulbs, couldn't find 7w but got 2x 25w and at 240v if I put them in series that's the same as a US 6.25w bulb though should be more resistant to dying.

I however have a bad habit of talking about experiments far more than doing experiments so I'd better shut up and correct that ratio.
If anyone more skilled in any of this is still talking to me hopefully some coaching should get me through.

I actually managed it seems to have killed one of the 25w incandescent bulbs, and not by red hot current through the filament that's for sure, but more of a blue hv plasma globe effect in the bulb.

But before it died I THINK I had established that the difference seemed to be a difference in the bulb not the position in the circuit.
If that is the case then maybe if I had the 7w 110-120v bulbs Stiffer and Ben used I'd be getting light?
Also damn well unexpected, the remaining bulb will light but sometimes instead of going through the light bulb making it glow weakly it will arc across the air finding it more agreeable than the impedance of a 25w bulb!

Very strange, Ben pretty much told me I wasn't cut out to investigate this and indeed I think he's right.

@Ether22
This was a very promising thread, Why have you gone quiet?

Anyone, are you still in communication with Aether22? He has not been here for about 3 months.

Aether 22
 good to hear from you
Yes this is an interesting thread
 Stiffler's link is listed on the link's section at the left
 What about this new research? anything you can share?
  Chet

Forget Stiffler and watch this space!

I'm all eyes,, watching,, watching .... KneeDeep

@TinselKoala

There is information and mis-information and the history of the person posting but ultimately you must judge by yourself.
Aether22 has been very generous with the information he has given I don't expect a circuit diagram and a BOM from him but I know I can
count on him when I have an intelligent question. There are a few others who share the same goal but again you have to find them out by
yourself.

By the way, did you read this thread from page 1 and followed every reference?

@TinselKoala

There is information and mis-information and the history of the person posting but ultimately you must judge by yourself.
Aether22 has been very generous with the information he has given I don't expect a circuit diagram and a BOM from him but I know I can
count on him when I have an intelligent question. There are a few others who share the same goal but again you have to find them out by
yourself.

By the way, did you read this thread from page 1 and followed every reference?

Yes. Every reference that I hadn't seen before and thought was worthwhile, yes.
Now, can you tell me who has gotten better results from electrostatic machines than I have? Because I missed that part.
Also, can you tell me exactly how Edwin's tube and Baumann's machine works? I mean the "solution" that will allow me to replicate the effects, not some jargon-filled pseudoscientific theorizing.
No?
Somehow I didn't think so.

It's impossible not to notice !
Cheers

I was going to let this go but if you read this thread you would see that the functioning of it is solved, perhaps not 100% in detail but the main working function has been understood, correlated and replicated.

So take skeptical bull elsewhere to a thread that actually has enough interested people for you (HT/TK) to dissuade.