Author Topic: Thane Heins Perepiteia. (Read 1899579 times)

baroutologos · « **Reply #4590 on:** April 13, 2009, 09:48:56 AM »

Hello,

I am possitively surprised to see your thread still active over here. I see you have made progress, but the real issue of demonstrating OU still you miss it.

If you want my piece of advice is you have nothing to gain by demonstrating it. let others do it for you. Let the people speak. I sorry to upset you that you could not patent this type of technology and expect be rich and famous

The greatest inventor of humanity i.e. Nicola Testla miserably failed to propagate the free energy technology. Why you think will succeed?

Besides the poetic words, I think it is time to mass replicate your device. I have been given much though and i realized that even though the HV coils could generate some 10-30 watts of power, this is nothing compared to the 100-200 watts consumed by the grinder motor.

So the bottom line is IF any of Perepiteia anthousiasts want to harvest any considerable and usefull effects you must replace the induction motor with a pulsed permanent magnet motor or still better for greater efficiency with a Adams motor or even better Bedini SG motor type. (this advice goes for the inventor also).

For now i am gathering resources...

By the way... Happy Easter

Regards,
Baroutologos

hydrocontrol · « **Reply #4591 on:** April 13, 2009, 03:22:52 PM »

Quote from: baroutologos on April 13, 2009, 09:48:56 AM

Besides the poetic words, I think it is time to mass replicate your device. I have been given much though and i realized that even though the HV coils could generate some 10-30 watts of power, this is nothing compared to the 100-200 watts consumed by the grinder motor.

I believe what Thane is trying to do is optimize and maximize the power output. This can only be done with data collection and research of different coil/core combination. At some point you have to just "go for it" but if Thane had attempted to be content with using the Microwave transformers he would have not reached a higher potential like he has with the newer core materials and the newer coils. That form of research takes a lot time.

Quote from: baroutologos on April 13, 2009, 09:48:56 AM

So the bottom line is IF any of Perepiteia anthousiasts want to harvest any considerable and usefull effects you must replace the induction motor with a pulsed permanent magnet motor or still better for greater efficiency with a Adams motor or even better Bedini SG motor type. (this advice goes for the inventor also).

Actually I believe there is no need to change out the motor or even have a motor. The rotor magnets with his current cores/coils combination should be usable to get the rotor spinning. All Thane would have to do is add some rotor position sensors then pulse all the HV coils externally at the proper time to get the rotor spinning. Once at the needed RPM just disengage 3/4 of the coils and use only one to keep the rotor spinning. The other cores/coils can harvest the power. Part of that power can feed the remaining coil that keeps the rotor spinning.

baroutologos · « **Reply #4592 on:** April 13, 2009, 03:41:22 PM »

Quote from: hydrocontrol on April 13, 2009, 03:22:52 PM

Actually I believe there is no need to change out the motor or even have a motor.

Hi Hydro,
I guess you are right about that. But in case we are dealing with inefficient systems or frictions are too much or..... don't know what, an efficient motor will always be beneficial.

anyway, experimenting will tell

hydrocontrol · « **Reply #4593 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:32:18 PM »

Quote from: baroutologos on April 13, 2009, 03:41:22 PM

Hi Hydro,
I guess you are right about that. But in case we are dealing with inefficient systems or frictions are too much or..... don't know what, an efficient motor will always be beneficial.

anyway, experimenting will tell

I agree that an "efficient motor will always be beneficial". I would also say that a Ryobi motor on a variac is not an efficient motor. If Thane could actually get the output of the coils to feed the Ryobi without a battery in between that would pretty much assure that major improvements could be made.

CRANKYpants · « **Reply #4594 on:** April 13, 2009, 11:34:11 PM »

Quote from: hydrocontrol on April 13, 2009, 04:32:18 PM

I agree that an "efficient motor will always be beneficial". I would also say that a Ryobi motor on a variac is not an efficient motor. If Thane could actually get the output of the coils to feed the Ryobi without a battery in between that would pretty much assure that major improvements could be made.

UNTIMATELY WE WON'T NEED A MOTOR AND ARE WORKING TO ELIMINATE IT ALL TOGETHER AND USE THE GENERATOR COILS AS THE "MOTOR" TO BRING THE SYSTEM UP TO SPEED AND THEN SWITCH OVER TO GENERATOR MODE AND THAT'S IT.

AT THAT POINT OUR INPUT WILL BE ZERO!!!

UNFORTUNATELY THIS STUFF TAKES MORE TIME THAN SPECULATION AND ARMCHAIR INVENTING...

ENCLOSED OUR NEW STATOR CORE.

T

hydrocontrol · « **Reply #4595 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:28:29 AM »

Quote from: CRANKYpants on April 13, 2009, 11:34:11 PM

UNTIMATELY WE WON'T NEED A MOTOR AND ARE WORKING TO ELIMINATE IT ALL TOGETHER AND USE THE GENERATOR COILS AS THE "MOTOR" TO BRING THE SYSTEM UP TO SPEED AND THEN SWITCH OVER TO GENERATOR MODE AND THAT'S IT.

AT THAT POINT OUR INPUT WILL BE ZERO!!!

T

Humm.. I seem to have said the same thing in my response message 4657 to Baroutologos.

Quote from: baroutologos on April 13, 2009, 07:48:56 AM
So the bottom line is IF any of Perepiteia anthousiasts want to harvest any considerable and usefull effects you must replace the induction motor with a pulsed permanent magnet motor or still better for greater efficiency with a Adams motor or even better Bedini SG motor type. (this advice goes for the inventor also).

my response was..
Actually I believe there is no need to change out the motor or even have a motor. The rotor magnets with his current cores/coils combination should be usable to get the rotor spinning. All Thane would have to do is add some rotor position sensors then pulse all the HV coils externally at the proper time to get the rotor spinning. Once at the needed RPM just disengage 3/4 of the coils and use only one to keep the rotor spinning. The other cores/coils can harvest the power. Part of that power can feed the remaining coil that keeps the rotor spinning.
.......................

Thane, thanks for the rotor layout. I now have some prints I can build from.. Can I use Aluminum or does the rotor need to be Steel ?

thanks,,,

baroutologos · « **Reply #4596 on:** April 14, 2009, 11:05:55 AM »

Quote from: CRANKYpants on April 13, 2009, 11:34:11 PM

UNFORTUNATELY THIS STUFF TAKES MORE TIME THAN SPECULATION AND ARMCHAIR INVENTING...

Good morning.
As always you have your way of saying things right. But give us a break Mr Thane

Personally i luck much of your experience in electromechanic art (apart form resources) But i plan to follow.

Anyway consider me as a supporter of yours.

Regards,
Baroutologos

ps:keep the good work going.

CRANKYpants · « **Reply #4597 on:** April 14, 2009, 04:43:56 PM »

Quote from: hydrocontrol on April 14, 2009, 03:28:29 AM

Humm.. I seem to have said the same thing in my response message 4657 to Baroutologos.

my response was..
Actually I believe there is no need to change out the motor or even have a motor. The rotor magnets with his current cores/coils combination should be usable to get the rotor spinning. All Thane would have to do is add some rotor position sensors then pulse all the HV coils externally at the proper time to get the rotor spinning. Once at the needed RPM just disengage 3/4 of the coils and use only one to keep the rotor spinning. The other cores/coils can harvest the power. Part of that power can feed the remaining coil that keeps the rotor spinning.
.......................

Thane, thanks for the rotor layout. I now have some prints I can build from.. Can I use Aluminum or does the rotor need to be Steel ?

thanks,,,

EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE (WELL ALMOST BUT WITH A TWIST) ... BUT AS I SAID SPECULATION OR IDEA MANIFESTATION IS MUCH FASTER THAN PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION - SINCE WE HAD TO GET THE COILS RIGHT AS THE FIRST STEP.

ALSO BUILDING A MOTOR IS NOT ON MY WISH LIST OF THINGS TO DO... BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MUST BE DONE NOW.

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Thane, thanks for the rotor layout. I now have some prints I can build from.. Can I use Aluminum or does the rotor need to be Steel ?

BTW - THAT IS A LAMINATED STATOR CORE w/ A TOROID AS THE BACKING PLATE AND EIGHT SOLENOID FINGERS.

CHEERS
T

P.S.
THE TWIST

WE WILL USE THE E OR TOROID DESIGN WHERE WE EMPLOY AN INNER AND AN OUTER HV COIL.

THE INNER COIL WILL BE THE MOTOR COIL (UP TO A POINT) AND A GNERATOR COIL LATER ON... HOWEVER IN BOTH CASES WE WILL BE COLLECTING THE INNER COILS' DISCHARGED MAGNETIC FIELD INTO THE OUTER CORE LEG AND USING THIS TO BOOST UP THE GENERATOR OUTPUT AT ALL TIMES. FUN TIMES!

hydrocontrol · « **Reply #4598 on:** April 14, 2009, 05:15:21 PM »

Quote from: CRANKYpants on April 14, 2009, 04:43:56 PM

EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE... BUT AS I SAID SPECULATION OR IDEA MANIFESTATION IS MUCH FASTER THAN PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION - SINCE WE HAD TO GET THE COILS RIGHT AS THE FIRST STEP.

ALSO BUILDING A MOTOR IS NOT ON MY WISH LIST OF THINGS TO DO... BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MUST BE DONE NOW.

BTW - THAT IS A LAMINATED STATOR CORE w/ A TOROID AS THE BACKING PLATE AND EIGHT SOLENOID FINGERS.

CHEERS
T

I completely understand. I applaud your effort and your research. Yes, I can dream up ideas faster than I can build them but I do build some.

.. The last couple, Mike's PPM and the whipmag, ended up not being successful but that was not from lack of trying.

After I had posted I realized that your prints were not the rotor. Interesting symmetry of where you are placing your coils. I presume your rotor is going to be the same one you are using which has evenly spaced magnets so I am guessing you have an idea to try out concerning coil placement in regards to magnet spacing.

Thanks for being so upfront and informative with your research.

CRANKYpants · « **Reply #4599 on:** April 14, 2009, 11:51:57 PM »

Quote from: hydrocontrol on April 14, 2009, 05:15:21 PM

I completely understand. I applaud your effort and your research. Yes, I can dream up ideas faster than I can build them but I do build some. .. The last couple, Mike's PPM and the whipmag, ended up not being successful but that was not from lack of trying.

After I had posted I realized that your prints were not the rotor. Interesting symmetry of where you are placing your coils. I presume your rotor is going to be the same one you are using which has evenly spaced magnets so I am guessing you have an idea to try out concerning coil placement in regards to magnet spacing.

Thanks for being so upfront and informative with your research.

THE COIL/CORE PLACEMENT IS DESIGNED TO REDUCE COGGING TORQUE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THE ROTOR MAGNETS ARE SEPARATED BY 20 DEGREES AND THERE ARE 8 CORES SO EACH CORE IS SEPARATED BY 2.5 DEGREES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE STATOR.

CHEERS
T

CRANKYpants · « **Reply #4600 on:** April 14, 2009, 11:58:06 PM »

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Thanks for being so upfront and informative with your research.

IT IS ENTIRELY A SELF PRESERVATION MOVE!

THE MIPB'S WILL HAVE TO TRACK DOWN ALL THE MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM ALONG WITH ALL THE YOUTUBE VIEWERS AND QUIETLY OFF THEM BEFORE THEY COME FOR ME.SO AS NOT TO RAISE THE ALARM.

THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!

T

SkyWatcher123 · « **Reply #4601 on:** April 15, 2009, 12:31:54 AM »

Hi folks, Thanks for the updates Thane, good ideas there and your welcome for us being your disposable bait for the dark clowns. you make me laugh.

baroutologos · « **Reply #4602 on:** April 15, 2009, 09:46:10 AM »

Hello,

Just in the effort to replicate your work, some key points are needed to be mention.
Ok, i have read much of this thread but when it comes to the set up of your own, matters arise that you never give much thought.

So, the point is to spin magnets fast in front of a high impendance coil fast enough till Lenz law ceases to exist. In fact those coils above some critical rpm, assist rotation. Ok plain and simple. Instrcuctions now:

1) Magnet arrangement. Ok any magnet arrangement with suficient rpm will do the trick i suppose. But the most efficient in order to initiate the process for a given coil is NSNS configurations?

2) Number of magnets.

I suppose for a given rpm of rotor the more magnets (in a reasonable mode) the better the effect.
BUT, does this effect correlate with magnet SPEED over the coil OR just the FREQUENCY of them? Higher frequency means higher speed of course but, what i am saying is if for a given set up the process of accelaration starts at 1500 rpm (say) with 16 magnets will be the same rpm with 6 magnets? (no output measuremnets just process start)

that's for now. perhaps later may have some more...

Regards,
Baroutologos

CRANKYpants · « **Reply #4603 on:** April 15, 2009, 04:15:55 PM »

Quote from: baroutologos on April 15, 2009, 09:46:10 AM

I suppose for a given rpm of rotor the more magnets (in a reasonable mode) the better the effect. BUT, does this effect correlate with magnet SPEED over the coil OR just the FREQUENCY of them? Higher frequency means higher speed of course but, what i am saying is if for a given set up the process of accelaration starts at 1500 rpm (say) with 16 magnets will be the same rpm with 6 magnets? (no output measuremnets just process start)

Regards,
Baroutologos

FREQUENCY.

T

Pageygeeza · « **Reply #4604 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:26:05 PM »

I made up another coil ring today, using thinner core wire, less passes over the face, but more runs and got a 15% increase in power output. Now I could easily add more wire, 18 more magnets and way more rpm to the equation. For an AC output on my second try I think is pretty good. The good thing about it, is I can use it as a motor too.

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