HEY HYDRO-CONTROL IS THE NAME AND HE IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL 

CHEERS
AND HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!

T

Thane,
Well I could just be a DAMN OPERATOR....   Like HYDRO... Like DAM...   I guess that could be considered a form of control.. The floodgates are opening.... The floodgates are closing....

Thane...Happy Easter.. Careful with that gravy...

Skywatcher..  Well... somebody did try to break into Thane's workshop...  and you have those MIB visiting Mylow.. LOL...
Actually I was more referring to the amount of 'noise' generated by some forum members about anything that hints at Overunity which is funny since this is an Overunity forum.. . You figure if the thought of OU  bothers some people so much why do they hang out here..    Lately Thane's thread has been fairly silent so I figured the "sharks" went away. Of course they are still around and were circling Mylow...  Now that Mylow has been effectively been eaten I think they will look at other threads that show signs of life. Now that Thane has stated he is going for a self-runner that opens up the floodgates again so it could be another 100 pages of flames and name calling.  .. I was just getting use to the video updates of Thane's progress and the replications...  I have started rereading this thread and am taking notes of useful information.. This thread could be condensed into thirty pages of useful information if you eliminate all the "noise".. That continuing "noise" is really what I was fearful of with Thane's proclamation..

My thoughts on possible function was that as the current rise time of a coil is matched to a particular rotor magnet strength that when the proper rotor speed is attained the current build up is delayed until top dead center or after then gives a quick repulsive kick to magnet due to current rise timed not to buck the incoming magnet and when same magnet is departing again current is delayed in other direction until magnet is a distance from core and then current rises after delay and either doesn't effect magnet as much to pull it back via lentz and or field collapses and repulsively kicks it again. Anyway whatever the effects function im seeing it with all same polarities so it appears nn ss nn ss is one way to skin a cat among others.
peace love light   

This "delay" concept is what I had been kicking around in my head as well. It does not violate Lenz's Law but uses the effect of the speed of electricity to use Lenz's for your benefit..
"Lenz's Law states that the magnetic field of any induced current opposes the change that induces it."
So as a magnet approaches a coil the magnetic field that forms in the coil is opposite of the approaching magnet and wants to push the approaching magnet back. The closer the magnet gets to the coil the larger the field forms in the coil so the larger the push back of the approaching magnet. Makes sense.
Now the "What if"
What if you could delay that formed magnetic field in the coil until the magnet is top dead center (TDC) over the coil. Well it would push back the approaching magnet at the very time the magnet is exiting so the "push" is in the "correct" direction of rotation. Thus we have a speed (RPM) increase only when we get to a certain starting RPM. If you allow the magnetic field to form in the coil at too slow of an RPM it creates the field before TDC and pushes the approaching magnet back. Once you get to the "magic" starting RPM the field forms at TDC and pushes the magnet along the route of rotation instead of back.

Now the "Why"
So why is it when Thane shorts more coils the RPM keeps going up. Shorting the coil allows the magnetic field to form in the coil. In Thane's setup the coils are exactly over all the magnets at the same time so we have an accumulative effect. The effect is like adding another team of horses to the cart. You get more push. At some point you get a limited rate of return which means that adding more horses get you nothing more except a higher feed bill. In Thane's case the RPM will reach a maximum level after adding X number of coils. After adding X+1 then the RPM will remain the same as X or the same as X+2. The reason is that the coil field will only become a certain size and the RPM speed of the magnet will cause the TDC to be way past TDC and therefore will not have any useful effect on pushing the rotor magnet.

Now the "How".
Electricity travels at the speed of light. The longer the path the longer it takes. This is very apparent if you call your friend on the cell phone who is standing next to you. You get that "delay" effect of speech. The same thing is happening in Thane's coils. The more turns of finer gauge wire on the coil the longer it takes for the magnetic field to form. Delay the magnetic field enough and it forms at TDC to help push the rotor magnet. Delay the field too much and it forms way past TDC and does not give you a push..

Some more "What if"
What if you made a coil that is "elliptical. ?  The TDC might form in a larger range and you might get the best of both worlds of a higher RPM and more usable power output.. You also might try Air Coils after the Cored coils to pick up more power. So many variables to try.

CALL FOR MASSIVE REPLICATION

Dear ALL,

   It is time to act and help out Thane via replicating his work and presenting on Youtube to MIB's.

   I am trying to get in touch with Turkish and Canadian Energy Ministers to support Thane's work.

   Today I have to disclose one secret of mine.

   ON 2004 CIA OFFICIALS OFFERED ME TO WORK FOR THEM WHEN I WAS IN BUFFALO, NY.

   BUT TODAY THEY WONT LET ME TO VISIT CANADA... WHY?

   THIS IS TOTALLY BLOCKAGE !!! WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FACT.

   AMERICAN DEEP GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT MAGNETIC ENERGY CONVERSION SYSTEMS (MECS) TO BE REVEALED.

   THEY STUPIDLY DENIED MY VISA APPLICATION TO VISIT CANADA! BECAUSE I TRIED TO VISIT HIM.

   WE HAVE TO ACT ASAP. LET IT REPLICATED AND LET THANE FREE OF MIB'S..

   LET OBAMA'S, CHUKANOV'S, HEINS', TEMURLENK'S DREAM COME TRUE!
   
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WOW!!!!!!

NURI IS OUT OF THE CLOSET FOLKS!!!!!

THANKS NURI - BUT I AM NO FRIEND OF THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SINCE RUNNING FOR ELECTION (TWICE) ON THE PLATFORM THAT:

"THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION"

AND GOING TO COURT TO DEFEND MYSELF AFTERWARDS.

SO I HOPE YOU CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT...?

I HAVE UPLOADED A NEW VIDEO DEVELOPMENT http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins AND ARE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO AN OPTIMIZED DESIGN. - THE VIDEO SHOULD BE READY SOON.

CHEERS
T

You may remember me from a while back.  I finally managed to get the coil operational.  The funny thing is this, I was determined to get a dc output from the coil to create power for the motor.  But as an upshot of that it doesn't create DC but AC!  I've tried to get a DC reading but I get nothing, but for AC i'm getting 0.020 volts from 2 magnets and low rpms, (hand spun!)  I'm intending on putting 20 6kg force magnets onto my wheel to see how much oomph I get.  Admittedly I think the coil wire may be a bit on the thick side, would that have an effect on my output?   I think I know how I accidentally got AC instead of DC, But I want to see how much I can improve my design before I strip it and rewire it for DC usage. Though for pure efficiency I think a toroidal coil would work best.  Any thoughts?

Oh and for trying to sort out this acceleration mystery........  Is it possible that under load the feedback is causing the coils to act as magnets, but in opposite polarity?  So in essence the alternator under load is acting as a motor?, could it work?

Yes. This is what I was trying to explain above. When the coil is shorted either by a jumper or being hooked up to a transformer it obeys Lenz law. The approaching magnet to the coil causes a magnetic field to form in the coil that is the same as the approaching magnet. Since like poles repel and opposite poles attract the normal effect would be for the approaching rotor magnet to slow down. Because of the delay in the forming of the magnetic field in the coil from the finer wire and the type of core material used in construction the magnet field is delayed until the rotor magnet is top dead center at which point the formed field acts to push the rotor magnet in the direction of rotation. Due to the how Thane has his rotor magnets of NN SS NN SS it gives a good increase of RPM. The double NN gives a much longer time duration. I think if Thane had it NNN-space-SSS-space it would increase even more in RPM. The other way I think would work is to have an elongated coil so instead of a coil looking like O it would look like (___) which would give a longer active magnetic field while the rotor magnet is under the coil giving the rotor a longer push..

Hi folks, nice updated test in video Thane. Thanks hydrocontrol for that great expansion on my thoughts of how Thanes device may be working, i figured if we keep it simple and look at the facts of operation were probably pretty close as to the speed up effects function. The only thing that concerns me is that i did make a simple test by holding an air core with 30 gauge wire by the rotor as it rotated and it caused lentz drag, now maybe it didn't have enough turns or holding it by hand caused a problem or without a ferromagnetic core the current rise time speed is faster and so more rotor speed is needed. i think i will setup my huge piggot style air core gen. again, although i will test with same rotors being all same polarity while of course the air coils are exposed to the high density flux of the opposite rotor magnets attracting. It sure would be nice if aircore works as well but well see.
peace love light   

Part of the effect of the core is that it attracts the rotor magnet even through the coil is forming a magnetic field that repels the approaching rotor magnet. The effect of the core helps to cancel the Lenz effect of the coil because of the normal core to rotor magnet attraction. Once the coils magnetic field starts to generate it uses the core to generate a larger repelling magnetic field. This is why the rotor has to be spinning at a certain RPM for the effect to occur. I just watched Thanes newest video and in effect he did what I throwing out in my previous posting of using a elongated coil instead of a round coil. I think if he changes his magnets to NNNNSSSS instead of NNSSNNSS it will produce more of a variance in RPM speed. Tilting the approaching rotor magnets at an angle to the coils or stepping the E fingers distance at increasing values would have the effect of squeezing a tube of toothpaste from the bottom up instead of from the middle evenly down. Tilting the E coil so that the first finger is closer to the approaching rotor magnet and the next finger is slightly further away and the last is even further may also provide the rotor with a better "ride the wave effect". Lots of variable to play with.

Hi, congratulations on your progress, a question. The speed reaches the rotor on your last experiment is the same, higher or lower than it reaches the magnetic rotor without any friction? I mean, totally free without any coil. Thanks for this doubt cleared.