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RadiantEnRg

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 03:49:23 AM »
It is...you just can't see the brushes..they are enclosed...I had done it to that 12v radiator fan...but it went so fast and got so hot it melted :(

armagdn03

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2007, 03:56:39 AM »
I dont understand your power supply circuit, are you feeding it pure dc or pulsed?

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2007, 04:25:36 AM »
Do I understand it right that you take one wire from the rectified mains power and on the end the ground?
In that case you still use normal mains power because ( at least in Europe) the neutral mains wire is connected to ground at some stage.
So I don't understand what you are trying to proof to be honest.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2007, 09:54:01 AM »
oh man,

let me add that this is crank!

Take care of you when walking around shoeless and running this setup :D

And please more of this, never seen a huge ac motor running from only "one"  wire!

And shame on me, i must say that connection of power supply and ground is also not
clear to me  :(

is the power supply ac or dc pulse, if dc i think it would make me much more confused  ;)
and did you checked your diode, maybe it is damaged ?!?


Added: Ok RadiantEnRg, i looked closer and see ... you really described all needed parts
and now i am confused.

RadiantEnRg

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2007, 10:22:38 AM »
Alright...here's what i did. The AC is rectified and then fed to a 400v capacitor which in turn then feeds a stepdown transformer...this cap is pulsed to the stepdown transformer. I have clipped in on the common negative of the circuit. On every off pulse the coil sends a mirrored radiant spike of positive polarity. Now this circuit is really 2...the first pulses a stepdown xformer which then pulses a lower V cap...I can take the positive of that cap and do the same thing...proving that is not just coupling with AC from ground. However it is very low potential, about 14v. I am not sure yet, it could just be coupling to ground..I am going to get an inverter and test it. However, I can sit here and hold the ground and the lead with no adverse effects at all. So I am not sure...I will have to keep testing. I just found out that nueutal is coupled to ground....so I will have to let you guys know when i do.

Tink

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2007, 10:41:56 AM »
Hello Radiant,

You are taking the negative connection from the 400 elco is that right?
If you connect the other side of the one wire (with a load in between) to ground you have a halve wave mains there so be careful.
If you connect to the positive side of the 400 Volt elco you get only the other halve and just as dangerous.
Please be careful.

(Edit)
It also works on the from mains insulated part of the power supply?
Now I am confused too.

RadiantEnRg

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2007, 11:07:44 AM »
Yeah...I don't know about all these circuits, I think I might have been just coupled to neutral, I am not sure....But the first one that did one wire illumination was the ADP-25HB, that you guys all see in my earlier experiments...and yes I used that positive output...from the mains isolated circuit to go to ground, so it couldn't be the case there. I am going to give up messing with these circuits and build my own. One more thing...the LED test I have up on youtube was from a modified HP printer power supply...and I attached to it the very same way...if it was coupling to mains then the LEDs would be much brighter....So I am uncertain....I will keep testing stuff and let you all know the results. I am no means a EE, I just test stuff out.

armagdn03

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2007, 04:11:12 PM »
Okay something is getting lost in translation, and I believe it all falls under how you are feeding this ?one wire circuit? I think the easiest way to solve this, is to have a circuit diagram posted. I think a lot of us here are familiar with circuitry, but unless we have a diagram it?s a little hard to picture what is going on without being able to visualize how each component works.

To that effect, what are you feeding your circuit? DC? AC? AC with a DC bias (pulsed DC) If there is any AC component at all in there before it gets to the pyroclay bead, then I don?t see how it can ?find? resonance, because it is limited somewhat by the input frequency.  I had originally thought that you were feeding this circuit with nothing but pure DC, and when you scoped the output at the silica bead you got a dc with an oscillation. Is this correct?

I think what we need, to help you do a little validation here, because I believe you are on to something, is enough information to replicate exactly what you are doing, so we are all looking at the same thing. If you would be so kind as to help us out there, we would all be very appreciative. I do appreciate your participation, and its good to see someone with a  healthy interest joining the community.

RadiantEnRg

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2007, 05:33:59 PM »
Ok, well the tests I just did are completely different. The pyrosol tests are pulsed DC. Those experiments were done at 30DC...pulsed, output was saw tooth type. I don't have a schematic because I just happened to be messing around with that power supply, trying to step charge a large capacitor. While doing so I happened upon the arc. I scoped the output, and it looked like a striaght line until I changed to 2v setting and positioned the trace so i could see it. And it looked like a saw tooth....or charged...discharge...many times a second. I am really busy with school lately and have not had time to make a schematic of it. I would say that almost any ADP model AC/DC power supply will work. They are driven by a FET, sometimes a timer, and they also have a sensing loop on the transformer, so they tend to resonate at many F's. Sorry I don't have a schematic yet.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2007, 05:38:13 PM »
Basically, since it is pulsed DC, like you said on every off pulse comes a reverse spike. Which reinforces and builds on it's self. It is also directly proportional to the input...meaning they are inverse...so it is self regulating. every off pulse there is a pulse from the coil, so never any dead time....basically I get 100% work for 50% power

RadiantEnRg

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2007, 05:53:54 PM »
So I have come to this conclusion about the pyroclay beads. While in my first video I was manually pulsing to get motor to reach resonance.(the motor has an asymmetry in it's commutator/coils) What the pyroclay bead does is act as a spherical waveguide/spark gap. I studied the nature of the beads, and the comment about metal fuming is correct. It appears metal on the outside, and glass on the inside. Now because there is a very intense heat with that arc, they must be oxides, which would have me believe that there is a type of diode action(negative resistance). Here's the weird thing, the little motor in my tests self tunes due to an imbalance, or asymmetry. So at first the bead is acting as the resonant spark gap..it glows orange....but as soon as the motor hits full resonance and syncs up with circuit, the bead cools down and is no longer sparking. When i used a symmetrical motor the bead never cools all the way down because the motor never truly syncs up, so the bead makes up for it. Also the bead alters the overall characteristic, or resonance of the motor/circuit.

armagdn03

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2007, 07:49:38 PM »
Gotcha, not things make a little more sense. At first I was gonna cry bullshit, but if the motor is in fact tuning to the circuit, then we may be okay, but..............where did you get this motor? is it your design? what about it is imbalanced?

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2007, 08:34:49 PM »
Well these motors are readily available at any R/C hobby shop....the thing that makes it unbalanced is....It is all 3s, 3 coils, 3 commutator contacts, and 3 breaks. The brushes are a 1/3 the size of the contacts. I have mapped it out, and there are 3 phases, each with 3 sets, then back to start state. And at any one time the positive/negative interaction of the coils is unbalanced. Since it is odd...you can get "tuning" in increments of one...so it can precisely tune to the circuit. The unballance is either 2 pos/one negative coil, or vise versa...or there is also a set phase where one coil is off and the 2 next to each other are opposite(at vectors to each other)..so at any time during that motor's operation, it is unbalanced. I believe this is why Tesla's OCD is all about 3s, when he dined he needed a stack of napkins....and they must be divisible by 3...he was obsessed with 3s. This 3phase fits nicely with Meyer's using an alternator, which has 3 windings.....and with Bearden's talks about asymmetry and unbalancing the potentials.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2007, 10:42:26 PM »
Very interesting. Im looking through my collection now to find such a motor. Unless there is something weird happening with the elements present in the pyroclay, I would guess that the sparkgap created by the contact can be recreated without the silica. in the website I posted earlier, a gentleman takes a sheet of galvanized steel, heats it with a torch, lets it cool. He observes dark spots appear, which when touched with a thin wire, creates an oscillator, but since its a spark gap, its a negative resistance oscillator. The interesting thing is that this dark spot he requires for the experiment, is probably an oxidised superstrate (kinda like a substrate, but on top, don't know if thats a word, but if it isn't I call it) much the same as you believe your bead is doing. I am going to attempt to recreate the other guys experiments until I get my pyroclay.

Sorry for all the questions, but what made you choose pyroclay? I mean silica is the second most abundant material on earth, why this particular website with this particular clay? Do you know much about mono atomic elements or ormus?

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2007, 02:14:11 AM »
Well it was another case of synchronicity, I happened to go to an alternative healing center and hit it off with the owner. He showed me a lot of his Tesla machines, and I asked about this powder he was using in an electrolysis foot bath of his :D 
Well we wound up going to dinner and then b4 i left he gave me a bag of it, which he usually charges $10....So it was another by chance discovery...much like the power supply in the first place. Here's the thing. The power supply did not start arcing right away...I had to make brief conacts over and over again. Until a "corrosive" layer was formed. Then I dusted the contacts and arced through the powder, I repeated this step until I had a good amount glazed on the clip. I then used pliers and popped the glaze off...then I had to manipulate it in between the clips...once the arc started through it I quickly learned when to pull it away...and the surface tension of the molten glob formed a sphere. The spheres works the best.