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Title: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 02, 2007, 04:25:37 PM
Hi All,
here are 3 very interesting videos which user Tink
has found and emailed me.

The guy has uploaded these to Youtube, but his account was deleted
and now user Tink has found these videos again.

It shows a guy using some kind of pyroclay.com powder
to make beads which in a spark gap seem to
power up running motor much faster from the same
power supply.

In one video he says he is using a oscillating
power supply with around 3 amps ( capacity ?)...

Well see for yourself, what this can do.

Interestingly is, that when he touches his croco clamp
without the clay bead the motor runs much slower...
on the same power supply.
So it seems the usage of the clay bead at the contact point
together with the arc is releasing more power into the circuit.

This is probably the same effect, which I think is the main
effect in the Newman machines.
There the commutator contacts made of graphite-copper just burn
in the spark gap and deliver additional electrons into the circuit
and thus less power is needed from the batteries and/or the
batteries are recharged.

Here is the link to the 3 Flash Videos:

www.overunity.com/negative_resistance (http://www.overunity.com/negative_resistance)

You can watch them with Media Player classic for
instance.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 02, 2007, 04:28:41 PM
FYI, his youtube site WAS http://www.youtube.com/user/Jdub6d9
He seems fairly confident that he is definitely tapping something, and his videos do seem to show some strange behavior. Like: a green glow around what might be his motor's coil, a apparent huge influx of energy that makes his little motor really move fast, a strange effect where an insulated contact causes a huge and constant arc across his two contacts yet those same contacts touching without any insulation don't have this arc at all, and more.He seems to 'get it' in his head. So, I emailed he many times now trying to get some more information from him and he has finally responded to my email and another gentlemen's. Below I show both of his responses.




The tube is inline of the negative.....so its just electrolysis.....the crazy thing is...the motor is in parallel to the tube set....... once the motor hits resonance, it takes no amps from the tube....until that resonance happens....the amperage into the tube  is less and production is less...next step is to coat cathode tube.....and make the WFC a capacitor.....then hook it up in parallel to the motor with a pumping diode to step charge...the motor is tapping the radiant energy by making VERY fast square waves and on every off pulse of the motors commutator it is sending a burst out.....I have ran my setup through a transformer...and secondary is giving 400v.....with very little or no amps....As for Lawton.....no I am using a circuit I have found Wink...it WANTS to resonate given a lil negative resistance! Waterfuel.ca/tesla_lives is my website.....I encourage u to read as much Tesla patents as u can....As I hate trying to explain it to people who can't comprehend what it is that is happening....and to do that u need to read Tesla....and watch some Tom Bearden videos...I will give u a lil hint.....the circuit I have found has a 200v capacitor...who's negative is going to an open plate, which is insulated.....Read Tesla and u will know what that is...."an open circuit".....it lets the "aether" pour in!.....well enough said to a stranger.....you will have to read up to understand.....Ohh and 1 more thing...throw what u think u know of electricity out the window!!....amperage doesn't have to follow voltage.....we can stop it Wink



Ok Tao.....Well my findings go as follows.......The cap and diode I had on the xformer are not needed.....However the arc is easier coaxed when i have SOME kind of coil to bounce off. I have made a small coil around a steel core and eliminated the transformer....the key is the POWER SUPPLY....it is an active power supply...I tore it apart and immediately saw the Tesla/Meyers connection....(THERE IS A 200V CAPACITOR WHO'S NEGATIVE GOES TO AN INSULATED PLATE "OPEN CIRCUIT").....It is giving out pulsed DC.....but special kind, If I look at it on my scope in the 20-50v range, all I see is a 30v DC line right....but If I zoom in to 2v setting...it is step charging and discharging...meaning the "straight line" at this power looks like saw teeth of a hack saw.... Also the output is through a torroidal bifilar coil.....basically this thing wants to resonate......As for the Pyrosol......I used some creative thinking.....But here's what I think is happening there.....The reason the light looks green is because, I theorize there is actually an atomic interaction...copper "burns" green...the pyrosol....It arcs orange....and steel arcs white.....and I have arc'd blue too "a mix of steel and lead I believe"....My best Pyrosol beads are the ones I can manipulate into spheres....while the outside is smooth like glass....the inside is crumbly like a poor quality glass.....As when Arc'ing just metal, I have noticed deposits from the positive terminal onto the negative.....So, I believe that the beads I can make are actually some kind of metaglass. And that the outside is mostly metalic and the inside is mostly silicate which forms a spherical waveguide that encourages resonance...and most likely they are both in an oxide form....So I believe they COULD have diode properties.....But the lil motor is the real deal here.....it's geometry is such that it is always out of equilibrium while running.....therefore a self starter right...not only that...since it's commutator directly reflects this interaction....It is SELF TUNING and will find resonance with the circuit...at resonance I get many effects.......like charging batteries by tapping into motor in parallel...ect....ect, more to come when I get a full understanding....But honestly, read Tesla's patents....1119732 and 514168 especially.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: argona369 on October 02, 2007, 04:53:23 PM
These vid?s don?t play for me Harti even with media player classic .
oh well,,,
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 02, 2007, 06:51:20 PM
Here are the videos, plus an extra one (there are more)...

I encoded them to DivX format...
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 02, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
videos finally uploaded

let me just say, I posted them not because I think they are important or that this guy has something, but for those who want to see the videos and for the 'public' record I establish by posting them here...That goes with why I posted those two responses from the author a couple posts above...
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 03, 2007, 05:59:04 AM
interesting, but I have never heard of silica or any form of it being a conductor, I wonder what is different about this stuff....anybody have an in depth material science background? I have a bit of experiance being a packaging engineer with glass manufacturing and I have never come across something like this. If you have id love to know!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: b0rg13 on October 03, 2007, 06:45:04 AM
is it ment to be conductor or simply make a gap?. :o ..and the inside was glowing green with out question..whats that about ?..any one else tryed this yet?.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 03, 2007, 07:59:44 AM
Here are the last two videos that I have, told ya I had more :P

jdub1.avi I believe was his last video he posted on youtube
jdub2.avi was the first video that he had posted of his setup

In both videos you can clearly see this massive arcing that occurs. Just look at either video's arcing footage and tell me that it doesn't exactly resemble Steven Mark's arcing in his one video. That is the first thing that caught my eye about this guy and the thing that made me download all his youtube videos 'just in case'...

enjoy...

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 03, 2007, 12:11:50 PM
wow, thats quite interesting  ;)

... who of you is the guy showing us this bright arc? ^^

--
Also this could be a fake, i wish to know how to make these arcs at normal atmosphere?

So please somebody try to replicate this arcs and show us, i tryed a lot of times but with equipment shown in the video it is very hard even with welding gas around and high frequency.

pyroclay.com - for me - seems very unserious -> could be that this guy only want to sell his products, thats why i am firstly thinking it is a fake.
---

Or Beardens iffy theory is very good  :-\  who knows ...

kind regards, Super

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 03, 2007, 03:28:04 PM
wow, thats quite interesting  ;)

... who of you is the guy showing us this bright arc? ^^

--
Also this could be a fake, i wish to know how to make these arcs at normal atmosphere?

So please somebody try to replicate this arcs and show us, i tryed a lot of times but with equipment shown in the video it is very hard even with welding gas around and high frequency.

pyroclay.com - for me - seems very unserious -> could be that this guy only want to sell his products, thats why i am firstly thinking it is a fake.
---

Or Beardens iffy theory is very good  :-\  who knows ...

kind regards, Super

Sure, it could certainly be fake, but somethings lend to it all being real.

He never mentioned a website where you could buy the silica, it was Stefan that put the website in this threads title. The only thing he mentioned was the type of powder he was using.

He spent sometime making each of the videos and testing different setups with that powder.

He was cautious in even responding to ANY of my emails or anyone else's, he only responded when I demonstrated some foreknowledge to him.

He abruptly deleted all his videos and youtube account and never said a word since, and even when his account was up, he didn't have all that many views.

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 03, 2007, 05:24:23 PM
I checked out the Pyroclay website and found some very interesting things. Acutally this all started in another thread I stumbled across here talking about a white powder gold. This is known as motoatomic gold and has some very interesting properties. It is known room level super conductor, It is known that the egyptians spent a a rather large ammount of resources on creating it, and this form exists in other metalic elements of similar period as well. The thing is, that its many benefits are compounded when the elements are mixed in proportion to how they would naturally appear in nature. It should be noted that while these elements are still gold, silver etc, they have lost their metalic bonding mechanism through the outer valence shells in the electrons, meaning they do not have the same properties as the metal they origionally came from, they are non conductive in the standard way, they display super conductive properties, they have many documented health benefits, and some have reported they changing mass based upon temperature!  Much of the literature on teh subject spoke of harvesting these metals in earth salts common in many soils and clays..........sounds familiar. It would definitly be interesting to buy some of this stuff and grab a torch, and see what happens.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 03, 2007, 05:33:50 PM
actually after reading the page more, I realized that they actually mention monoatomic elements being very present in their products over and over! intersting. It should also be noted that the ark of the covenant is actually a misspelled mistake taken place durring the translation of the bible from latin to german durring the days of luther and the 95th thesis. Origionally it was spelled the ARC of the covenant. If one goes and looks at the construction details, and all of its descriptions, they will see that it was actually built as a giant capacitor filled with gold powder.....they dont say whit gold powder I dont believe, but the similarities are too close. Other interesting facts are that the word worship actually stems from the old word workship, notice the work in it. Temples in egyption times were not holy places of prayer, they were places to do work for the gods, and much of this was making monoatomic gold. Several temples have been found that were filled with the elemental form of gold.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 03, 2007, 05:36:36 PM
actually after reading the page more, I realized that they actually mention monoatomic elements being very present in their products over and over! intersting. It should also be noted that the ark of the covenant is actually a misspelled mistake taken place durring the translation of the bible from latin to german durring the days of luther and the 95th thesis. Origionally it was spelled the ARC of the covenant. If one goes and looks at the construction details, and all of its descriptions, they will see that it was actually built as a giant capacitor filled with gold powder.....they dont say whit gold powder I dont believe, but the similarities are too close. Other interesting facts are that the word worship actually stems from the old word workship, notice the work in it. Temples in egyption times were not holy places of prayer, they were places to do work for the gods, and much of this was making monoatomic gold. Several temples have been found that were filled with the elemental form of gold.

Wouldn't it be funny if the movie Stargate wasn't that far off after all?  8)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 03, 2007, 05:57:21 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if the movie Stargate wasn't that far off after all?  8)

Lol, I've thinking the same when researching all these links.

Reality has a nasty habit of being stranger than fiction, many a times :)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 03, 2007, 06:24:16 PM

Quote
Sure, it could certainly be fake, but somethings lend to it all being real.

He never mentioned a website where you could buy the silica, it was Stefan that put the website in this threads title. The only thing he mentioned was the type of powder he was using.

He spent sometime making each of the videos and testing different setups with that powder.

He was cautious in even responding to ANY of my emails or anyone else's, he only responded when I demonstrated some foreknowledge to him.

He abruptly deleted all his videos and youtube account and never said a word since, and even when his account was up, he didn't have all that many views.

hmm, ok tao i see ...  :o

but i dont think that these powders are the key ... look in the other vids he is using only a microwave oven transformer, cap and a selfmade powerunit (seems like a trimmer transformer for lamps).
Don't know if such arcs could be done with (he says 9 watts or so) this.  :(
 
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tao on October 03, 2007, 06:34:01 PM

Quote
Sure, it could certainly be fake, but somethings lend to it all being real.

He never mentioned a website where you could buy the silica, it was Stefan that put the website in this threads title. The only thing he mentioned was the type of powder he was using.

He spent sometime making each of the videos and testing different setups with that powder.

He was cautious in even responding to ANY of my emails or anyone else's, he only responded when I demonstrated some foreknowledge to him.

He abruptly deleted all his videos and youtube account and never said a word since, and even when his account was up, he didn't have all that many views.

hmm, ok tao i see ...  :o

but i dont think that these powders are the key ... look in the other vids he is using only a microwave oven transformer, cap and a selfmade powerunit (seems like a trimmer transformer for lamps).
Don't know if such arcs could be done with (he says 9 watts or so) this.  :(
 


Well, either his little theory about radiant energy influx is correct, or his is a blatant fake. Must be one of those two.

I also don't feel that the silica powder is 100% needed, I just feel that he got good results using it, assuming it all isn't fake of course.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 03, 2007, 07:16:12 PM
@ tao, exact what i think  ;)

p.s. did you have the circuit diagram he's talkin about ?

And here is what he wrote about the solid state resonator:

"Using the arc test from my other video...i dusted contacts with pyro clay, and arc'd through it. After a couple pes i developed a gly bead with a wonderful characteristic....Self resonating with any motor"
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: argona369 on October 03, 2007, 08:14:24 PM
Thanks tao for the vid uploads.

Isn?t this ?blob? that he made a semi-conductor?
He arc fused silica and I would think that some metal would have
fumed off the electrodes. Sounds like a metal- semiconductor junction.
(When he put the blob against the inline fuse)
I.e. he made a Schottky Diode. A silicon dioxide diode?
Another thing that came to mind was how did his power supply react to
the semiconductor diode, maybe it ?lost? regulation?

In the very least now I maybe have a good way to make semiconductors at home  :)

Added:  adding carbon and very high heat  changes silica into silicon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
is that what he did?



videos finally uploaded

let me just say, I posted them not because I think they are important or that this guy has something, but for those who want to see the videos and for the 'public' record I establish by posting them here...That goes with why I posted those two responses from the author a couple posts above...
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 03, 2007, 10:40:36 PM
There is a simple test to give a reasonable idea as to weather this is feasible or not.........figure out how it could work......

With that in mind, I will attempt to apply my keen finely tuned intuitive prowess to solve this one.

In his description, he notes that he is getting a pulsed dc shot from the scope. But he also states that he uses a 200 volta capacitor in the system, and alludes to the fact that it is in series with the motor. He also states that its good to have a coil to bounce off of (the motor). Also he states that this device finds its own resonance by itself.

Well all of these things fit together very nicely in a manor that could very easily work. Let me explain

Have you ever made two contacts touch, to have a spark of power, but then nothing? You have to re make the connection, more tightly to avoid this, and have continuous power. We generally try to avoid this problem, but maybe it can be used to our advantage.

If this is happening in the silicon bead connection, we may see interesting results. He makes a connection, a spark appears, and the connection is broken. The pulse of power is sent into the coil, where it terminates, bounces back in reversed polarity. Initially the first spark was the only power delivered, now none is because the potential was not there to break the barier at the contact point. since the polarity is oposite what it was upon returning from its "bounce" we have a significantly greater potential comming back at the connection point

Now we have maybe 10 times the potential we had initially at a perfect time, when the wave hits its initial point. Now the added potential ionizes the barrier, and another pulse is made, immediately the potential drops again, and no more power is sent through the system until that second wave comes back and initiates a third.

This is not so good though for one reason, he is using pulsed DC, so even at resonance, he would be using at least whatever power the sigal was biased at. But if we stick a capacitor in the mix to filter out the DC and leave the AC, we eliminate this problem. If I were to design the system I would use a rather large voltage and capacitance way above what the motor is running at, so that its capacitive resitance is low as possible...........hmmmm he is using a 200 volt cap for a motor running under 10? sounds like he made a good choice!

This is perfectly within the relm of acceptible science, and definitly fits EVERYTHING he stated. Its a very convinient method of making a mechanical vibrator that tunes itself.
 
another interesting site to visit on this phenomenon

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/zincosc.htm
here the creator has created a very simple negative resistance oscillator out of common materials in a vibratory manor, I believe this is almost exactly the same thing.
If anybody else has any theories I would love to hear them.....
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 03, 2007, 11:12:47 PM
Hello everyone, I am Jdub6d9 and let me first say...it is no fake. I have had even more success. I have achieved one wire illumination, and have powered much larger loads then just LEDs. If you remember that 12v radiator motor in my other videos. Well with only one wire and ground, I fried the shit out of it. I have a new youtube, however I am laying low for now..here is my newest video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQPit2n5_f4)

In that video I am using the output which is only 25v...However in my larger load experiment I hooked onto the FET heatsink as my one wire. You may ask..."WTF i thought it was positive to ground?"...well it is...but, by clamping onto the FET heatsink I have clipped onto a common negative in the circuit. This common negative goes to a stepdown transformer. Now this is a pulsed circuit, so on every off pulse there is a back spike that is mirrored...or Positive  :)

Instead of the ceramic cap in my video, I used an electrolytic cap of high capacitance from 1000uf to 3300uf....however all I had on hand was low voltage high capacitance caps so they "popped" rather fast. But anyone can start experimenting with this...all I use is AC/DC power supplies, and all that have been setup right are ADP models...ADP-25HB, ADP-36DH, ADP-15TP...so far ADP-36DH is the best...an Epson scanner power supply. They tend to burn out if the load attempted is too high. The parts that fail are the rectifier diode....or the bifilar choke gets too hot and melts the insulation. So it seems the BEMF or Radiant spike is the key factor here. I am working on my own circuit but am still getting great results with prebuilt power supplies...I have perfected an isolation technique and now limiting how much energy I pull into circuit is the next step.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 03, 2007, 11:14:34 PM
Ohh and armagdn03, you are right on the money. Glad you can see it.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 03, 2007, 11:35:33 PM
Sorry, but one more thing I would like to say. This energy is like Bearden and Bedini call it "negative energy" but that is kind of a misnomer, I would say it is reciprocal energy...if you look closely at my LED video...Even though the positive is what I am using from the circuit, it must be wired as the negative, and ground wired as the positive....weird but no so wierd...think about lightning and the potentials of our earth....Sky is negative....and earth is positve. I bet you that the energy flowing in from ground is exiting the aerial plate I have...kind of like controlled lightning. In fact it is probably a very powerful transmitter???....Just thought I would put that in there. You can verify this by looking closely at the LED in my video...the positive side has the resistor and it is hooked up on the ground side of the cap...Well anyway talk to you guys later.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 04, 2007, 12:07:59 AM
@ RadiantEnRg

first, thank you for coming here  ;)  i think here you are right!

i try to build the radiant receiver (or transmitter) next day ...
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 02:28:01 AM
Id also like to point out something Glaringly obvious. This is a spark gap. If you look at tesla patent 514168, you will see one of his many contraptions to control a spark gap. This particular one has a rotating armature emersed in a moving oil bath for those that are not familiar. Now, why would he have a spark gap connected up to an EXACT picture of a c-stack (what tesla stresses over and over is the use of condensers, here in one of his more careful buit contraptions for controlling a spark, a condenser is another word for capacitor, or in this manifestation an almost exact copy of a proposed c stack.) This has a resonant lC circuit built into it with a negative resistor. The interesting thing is that the whole system with the rotating contact armature and the movable oil liquid, is designed to control the speed and duration of the sparks, in essence the frequency.

My guess is that the pyroclay works, but this is nothing new. Tesla did this along time ago, the differences are the pyroclay is easy, no contraptions, no moving parts, simple. But I would guess that it is not 100 percent as efficient as it could be, it could be a fraction of what is possible. What tesla had was complicated and hard to build, but was fine tuneable. Im sure he could get pretty close to 100 percent efficient, but had to work at much higher voltages in order to have the spark travel through the 3000v/mm of air.

This is a low voltage manifestation of teslian technology established a while ago, but with some interesting and useful characteristics.

I already ordered some...............
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 02:36:46 AM
oh, and for really good results, one must from the get go realize that its not only about the frequency, its also about pulse durration, im willing to bet that  two very strong neo magnets placed apart from each other across the pyroclay connection will create even greater effects.the quicker the better, but try to keep it below 100ns or harmful effects tend to appear as you get closer to 100.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 02:37:55 AM
All right guys...your interest in my experiments inspired me to make some videos today...So here they are!!!!....You will shit your pants when u see them!

http://youtube.com/profile?user=RadiantEnrG ....check em out and tell me what you think!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 02:39:30 AM
oh and TPU guys, why not try and create a standing wave through the coils, each coil slightly out of phase with the other to get a rotating field, however pulse the coils with pyroclay or a similar sparkgap, or correct frequency.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 02:40:18 AM
They aren't all finished proscessing yet...the last one is the doozy!!! Wow, is all I can say! I surprised even myself
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 03:12:50 AM
K here is my best video..... http://youtube.com/watch?v=0yl-5zGTBt8
Enjoy :)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: b0rg13 on October 04, 2007, 03:38:03 AM
thats a sweet video man :).... but i wanna see u crank it up and make it glow like the small motor( i know u can do it!!!).
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 03:49:23 AM
It is...you just can't see the brushes..they are enclosed...I had done it to that 12v radiator fan...but it went so fast and got so hot it melted :(
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 03:56:39 AM
I dont understand your power supply circuit, are you feeding it pure dc or pulsed?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Tink on October 04, 2007, 04:25:36 AM
Do I understand it right that you take one wire from the rectified mains power and on the end the ground?
In that case you still use normal mains power because ( at least in Europe) the neutral mains wire is connected to ground at some stage.
So I don't understand what you are trying to proof to be honest.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 04, 2007, 09:54:01 AM
oh man,

let me add that this is crank!

Take care of you when walking around shoeless and running this setup :D

And please more of this, never seen a huge ac motor running from only "one"  wire!

And shame on me, i must say that connection of power supply and ground is also not
clear to me  :(

is the power supply ac or dc pulse, if dc i think it would make me much more confused  ;)
and did you checked your diode, maybe it is damaged ?!?


Added: Ok RadiantEnRg, i looked closer and see ... you really described all needed parts
and now i am confused.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 10:22:38 AM
Alright...here's what i did. The AC is rectified and then fed to a 400v capacitor which in turn then feeds a stepdown transformer...this cap is pulsed to the stepdown transformer. I have clipped in on the common negative of the circuit. On every off pulse the coil sends a mirrored radiant spike of positive polarity. Now this circuit is really 2...the first pulses a stepdown xformer which then pulses a lower V cap...I can take the positive of that cap and do the same thing...proving that is not just coupling with AC from ground. However it is very low potential, about 14v. I am not sure yet, it could just be coupling to ground..I am going to get an inverter and test it. However, I can sit here and hold the ground and the lead with no adverse effects at all. So I am not sure...I will have to keep testing. I just found out that nueutal is coupled to ground....so I will have to let you guys know when i do.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Tink on October 04, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
Hello Radiant,

You are taking the negative connection from the 400 elco is that right?
If you connect the other side of the one wire (with a load in between) to ground you have a halve wave mains there so be careful.
If you connect to the positive side of the 400 Volt elco you get only the other halve and just as dangerous.
Please be careful.

(Edit)
It also works on the from mains insulated part of the power supply?
Now I am confused too.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 11:07:44 AM
Yeah...I don't know about all these circuits, I think I might have been just coupled to neutral, I am not sure....But the first one that did one wire illumination was the ADP-25HB, that you guys all see in my earlier experiments...and yes I used that positive output...from the mains isolated circuit to go to ground, so it couldn't be the case there. I am going to give up messing with these circuits and build my own. One more thing...the LED test I have up on youtube was from a modified HP printer power supply...and I attached to it the very same way...if it was coupling to mains then the LEDs would be much brighter....So I am uncertain....I will keep testing stuff and let you all know the results. I am no means a EE, I just test stuff out.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 04:11:12 PM
Okay something is getting lost in translation, and I believe it all falls under how you are feeding this ?one wire circuit? I think the easiest way to solve this, is to have a circuit diagram posted. I think a lot of us here are familiar with circuitry, but unless we have a diagram it?s a little hard to picture what is going on without being able to visualize how each component works.

To that effect, what are you feeding your circuit? DC? AC? AC with a DC bias (pulsed DC) If there is any AC component at all in there before it gets to the pyroclay bead, then I don?t see how it can ?find? resonance, because it is limited somewhat by the input frequency.  I had originally thought that you were feeding this circuit with nothing but pure DC, and when you scoped the output at the silica bead you got a dc with an oscillation. Is this correct?

I think what we need, to help you do a little validation here, because I believe you are on to something, is enough information to replicate exactly what you are doing, so we are all looking at the same thing. If you would be so kind as to help us out there, we would all be very appreciative. I do appreciate your participation, and its good to see someone with a  healthy interest joining the community.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 05:33:59 PM
Ok, well the tests I just did are completely different. The pyrosol tests are pulsed DC. Those experiments were done at 30DC...pulsed, output was saw tooth type. I don't have a schematic because I just happened to be messing around with that power supply, trying to step charge a large capacitor. While doing so I happened upon the arc. I scoped the output, and it looked like a striaght line until I changed to 2v setting and positioned the trace so i could see it. And it looked like a saw tooth....or charged...discharge...many times a second. I am really busy with school lately and have not had time to make a schematic of it. I would say that almost any ADP model AC/DC power supply will work. They are driven by a FET, sometimes a timer, and they also have a sensing loop on the transformer, so they tend to resonate at many F's. Sorry I don't have a schematic yet.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 05:38:13 PM
Basically, since it is pulsed DC, like you said on every off pulse comes a reverse spike. Which reinforces and builds on it's self. It is also directly proportional to the input...meaning they are inverse...so it is self regulating. every off pulse there is a pulse from the coil, so never any dead time....basically I get 100% work for 50% power
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 05:53:54 PM
So I have come to this conclusion about the pyroclay beads. While in my first video I was manually pulsing to get motor to reach resonance.(the motor has an asymmetry in it's commutator/coils) What the pyroclay bead does is act as a spherical waveguide/spark gap. I studied the nature of the beads, and the comment about metal fuming is correct. It appears metal on the outside, and glass on the inside. Now because there is a very intense heat with that arc, they must be oxides, which would have me believe that there is a type of diode action(negative resistance). Here's the weird thing, the little motor in my tests self tunes due to an imbalance, or asymmetry. So at first the bead is acting as the resonant spark gap..it glows orange....but as soon as the motor hits full resonance and syncs up with circuit, the bead cools down and is no longer sparking. When i used a symmetrical motor the bead never cools all the way down because the motor never truly syncs up, so the bead makes up for it. Also the bead alters the overall characteristic, or resonance of the motor/circuit.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 07:49:38 PM
Gotcha, not things make a little more sense. At first I was gonna cry bullshit, but if the motor is in fact tuning to the circuit, then we may be okay, but..............where did you get this motor? is it your design? what about it is imbalanced?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 04, 2007, 08:34:49 PM
Well these motors are readily available at any R/C hobby shop....the thing that makes it unbalanced is....It is all 3s, 3 coils, 3 commutator contacts, and 3 breaks. The brushes are a 1/3 the size of the contacts. I have mapped it out, and there are 3 phases, each with 3 sets, then back to start state. And at any one time the positive/negative interaction of the coils is unbalanced. Since it is odd...you can get "tuning" in increments of one...so it can precisely tune to the circuit. The unballance is either 2 pos/one negative coil, or vise versa...or there is also a set phase where one coil is off and the 2 next to each other are opposite(at vectors to each other)..so at any time during that motor's operation, it is unbalanced. I believe this is why Tesla's OCD is all about 3s, when he dined he needed a stack of napkins....and they must be divisible by 3...he was obsessed with 3s. This 3phase fits nicely with Meyer's using an alternator, which has 3 windings.....and with Bearden's talks about asymmetry and unbalancing the potentials.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 04, 2007, 10:42:26 PM
Very interesting. Im looking through my collection now to find such a motor. Unless there is something weird happening with the elements present in the pyroclay, I would guess that the sparkgap created by the contact can be recreated without the silica. in the website I posted earlier, a gentleman takes a sheet of galvanized steel, heats it with a torch, lets it cool. He observes dark spots appear, which when touched with a thin wire, creates an oscillator, but since its a spark gap, its a negative resistance oscillator. The interesting thing is that this dark spot he requires for the experiment, is probably an oxidised superstrate (kinda like a substrate, but on top, don't know if thats a word, but if it isn't I call it) much the same as you believe your bead is doing. I am going to attempt to recreate the other guys experiments until I get my pyroclay.

Sorry for all the questions, but what made you choose pyroclay? I mean silica is the second most abundant material on earth, why this particular website with this particular clay? Do you know much about mono atomic elements or ormus?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 05, 2007, 02:14:11 AM
Well it was another case of synchronicity, I happened to go to an alternative healing center and hit it off with the owner. He showed me a lot of his Tesla machines, and I asked about this powder he was using in an electrolysis foot bath of his :D 
Well we wound up going to dinner and then b4 i left he gave me a bag of it, which he usually charges $10....So it was another by chance discovery...much like the power supply in the first place. Here's the thing. The power supply did not start arcing right away...I had to make brief conacts over and over again. Until a "corrosive" layer was formed. Then I dusted the contacts and arced through the powder, I repeated this step until I had a good amount glazed on the clip. I then used pliers and popped the glaze off...then I had to manipulate it in between the clips...once the arc started through it I quickly learned when to pull it away...and the surface tension of the molten glob formed a sphere. The spheres works the best.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 05, 2007, 04:14:27 AM
Do you by chance have access to a signal generator? because if you did, it would be interesting to see if you can replicate this with a source of power that can be fine tuned, with some amp meters maybe in series with the motor, then if you changed frequency, but the amp draw was the same, your theory on self resonance could be correct. I would mix an ac dc, or have a biased ac signal to feed the motor.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 05, 2007, 09:23:48 AM
Hi RadiantEnRg,
many thanks for coming over here and reporting.

Please try to measure the input power during the arc burning with a Kill-A-Watt Power meter. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: dani1 on October 05, 2007, 10:38:05 PM
I think the powder is rich of pyrophylite see:
http://www.chemeurope.com/lexikon/e/Pyrophyllite

http://www.mineralien-ch.ch/mineralien_p.html
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 05, 2007, 10:40:41 PM
Sorry i couldn't reply yesterday, I was getting some weird error message. Anyway I am creating a pulse gen right now. I have very promising results too. Using just one 555, a .001J poly cap and some 100k pots, I can make a wide range of square waves. From 555khz(max) all the way down into Hz. I have also wired it so I can use it straight on a transformer :) . Normally the reverse spike would kill a 555 quick right?, well all I did was put a SUPERFAST HV diode..(byv26e) across the negative and output of my circuit. But I put it in reverse...so on every off pulse instead of comming back and frying my timer, it goes back into the coil, pretty cool ;) LOL. I don't have any meters yet:(, all I have is my analog scope....But I will be getting my financial aid soon, and thats on the list.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 05, 2007, 10:42:35 PM
I have gotten some truly remarkable waveforms off of the secondary side!! Well I am going back to work, will update you guys later
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: jeffc on October 06, 2007, 01:30:42 AM
I have gotten some truly remarkable waveforms off of the secondary side!! Well I am going back to work, will update you guys later
@armagdn03 

You are planning on replicating some of these configurations, yes?  I can't wait to see some confirmations and further meter readings!

Thanks to RadiantEnRg for being very open with his information so that we can more quickly understand the effects he has demonstrated.

Regards,
jeffc
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 06, 2007, 02:27:19 AM
Alright guys...I was so pissed off last night, about my false positive results from coupling with neutral, I stayed up all night and finished my circuit...I DID IT!!!
For real this time!!
I replicated the Tesla electron pump!!
Using only a 12v battery I pulsed a car ignition coil with a 555 circuit....I put a super fast 1000v diode across the negative and output..but I put it on reversed so when the off pulse Radiant Spike caomes it is diverted away from 555 and back into coil.....I then only use the one plug from the ignition coil and split it with 2 diodes, making a circular path.....I then wired a .22 cap onto across the circle and put a xenon flash bulb across that. I hooked the trigger to an ariel antenna....Guess what it worked to trigger it..It is Awesome!!!

Come check it out... http://youtube.com/profile?user=RadiantEnrG
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 06, 2007, 09:21:24 AM
@dani1...There may be something to that. I noticed that gas was very porous in the middle. And as it says, when heated it is many times it's original volume. YOu guys need to come look at my new video's....it's undeniable, there is an influx of aetheric energy. By splitting the positive, I have made an asymmetry and the environment wants to balance the situation.

http://youtube.com/profile?user=RadiantEnrG
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 06, 2007, 09:24:49 AM
Sorry, I'm a lil tired...gas=glass bead*...(negative resistant diode)...thats what I am convinced it is now, an N-type junction diode
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tinu on October 06, 2007, 10:53:54 AM
I truly appreciate your experiments, excitement and willingness to share. My full respect to you.

On your way ahead, please consider the following: take a small 9V battery. Always in between the space of (+) and (-) there is an electric field gradient, as everyone knows. Now take either (+) or (-) and ground it. You?ve just expanded the said electric field into the whole room. Electric gradient may be very small, but as small as it is, you can definitely measure a current with a sensitive micro ammeter, as long as you close the circuit through your body and further on through the carpet, floor etc. And this is just from 9V, DC?
Replace DC with AC and you can see it on the scope. Effects are more pronounced because of capacitive coupling. (In DC it was only normal conduction through multi megohms). Increase the AC voltage and you can charge capacitors at really high voltage (although you have to wait some time as the overall power is quite small). Actually, by placing an Avramenko plug near (and not in electric contact) with the main power line, I was able to charge quite large capacitors (60-80microF) at about 308V. Theory predicts 311V for Europe (220V*sqrt(2)). That was done entirely by one wire.

What?s my point?
I?m still looking for the ?radiant energy?. But I couldn?t find it until now?

....it's undeniable, there is an influx of aetheric energy. By splitting the positive, I have made an asymmetry and the environment wants to balance the situation.

Imho and in the light of the above-described experiments (that almost everyone can try) the above statement is questionable. I wish it was true but I?d say it?s plain old-fashion electricity?
Please comment.

Tx,
Tinu
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 06, 2007, 11:45:49 AM
maybe stefan will add something about this ... look at: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm) and http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 06, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
My circuit is in no way grounded, mains ground has no affect on the antenna...same as air!. Parasitic C cannot charge a cap through air that fast, sorry not possible!!!. Now if the antenna is coupling with battery post the air is not breaking down and there is no direct loop of electrons. This is not unnatural or irregular electricity..its just an open circuit which lets the ambient electrons in...(if electrons even exist). I am sorry but AC is filtered on the input and the output..only one direction of flow is allowed. I have heard this argument already today and it doesn't hold any merit in my eyes. believe what want. I know what I see. I put that neon on a carbon rod..then taped it to piece of wood..and guess what still lights....Oh and i am powering the coil straight with a 555 @ around 200ma max....I would like to see you light a xenon @ that amperage...and the fact that it doesn't ionize until antenna is put on glass????...well anyway i am tired, goodnight.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 06, 2007, 04:04:01 PM
  ;) good night RadiantEnRg, time-lag between europe and us ^^

i think this article can give u some more setups for experiments  Avramenko (http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm)

maybe this is "like" your circuit:
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/sparkfx2.jpg)

... try to use your special corroided connections, from your further experiments, for producing a permanent discharge at the spark gap.

Don't know, could be interesting?!?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 06, 2007, 07:22:30 PM
I think an interesting thing to try would be a DC biased AC signal through your out of balance motor. I just want to see a replication of the motor you had before, but with out the questionable power supply. Maybe you could use a battery, or some other DC power source, hook it up so the out put of your circuit is DC with an AC warble through it. Becareful, you will need to use diodes to make sure the DC doesnt find its way into your 555 through its outputs or you will definitly fry it. What I think would be interesting about this and why I am so ademant about it is because it represents a varifiable test to one of your theories about the astable motor finding resonance with the pulse fed into it. If you change the frequency of the 555 either up or down, technically the speed of the motor should also change up or down.

Anyways, I wont be able to replicate for a bit, still havent got the Pyroclay, and my GF surprised me and came into town, and I bought a new plasma TV to play my beloved Halo 3. I think I could be the next tesla if I didnt have videogames and girls. lol.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 07, 2007, 12:10:03 AM
Hello everyone, I am Jdub6d9 and let me first say...it is no fake. I have had even more success. I have achieved one wire illumination, and have powered much larger loads then just LEDs. If you remember that 12v radiator motor in my other videos. Well with only one wire and ground, I fried the shit out of it. I have a new youtube, however I am laying low for now..here is my newest video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQPit2n5_f4)



Hi RadiantEnRg  and All,
I was on vaccation for 3 days and only had my PDA with me and could not see yet
this above video and now it is again removed ...
Too bad.
Could somebody upload this again ?

Also on the new page:
http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=RadiantEnrG

I only see these kind of Avramenko plug experiments,
but no experiments with these silicon dioxid beads.

@RadiantEnrG

could you please try to do these arcing experiments
with graphite <-> pyroclay mix  and see,
if it will even work better.
But watch out, there couldbe generated toxic CO gas,
so please only do it with open windows, cause CO is very
toxic.

If you are successfull, you could generate this way
also SiC which is is large bandgap semiconductor
and is also used for radioactive to electricity converter devices.
It is also used in the Qynergy.com cells.

Maybe there are also in this pyroclay some low radioactive Silicon
isotopes, that are excited via the pulses from your power
supply to release their beta radiation, so additional
electrons are coming into the circuit like in a Morray
converter, which also used excited radioactive decay
via RF radio signals and worked like negative
resistors (= amplifiers).

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 02:08:20 AM
@ Tinu...you must not know where to look.
My circuit like I said is not grounded..however, I understand that the field field is in the room with me...that's why i devised this test to prove to all it IS NOT PARASITIC C that is behind the one wire illumination. Come look at my Proof2 video...and you may be able to see the Radiant ;)


Here's my proof that this in an influx of radiant energy!!!   http://www.youtube.com/v/oIidGfe0sPM


As for the pyrosol tests...I will get back to them shortly, as I have shown this is all about R...specifically negative R...So I am interested in making more beads to use as the R, instead of me :)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: jeffc on October 07, 2007, 09:09:20 AM
@ Tinu...you must not know where to look.
My circuit like I said is not grounded..however, I understand that the field field is in the room with me...that's why i devised this test to prove to all it IS NOT PARASITIC C that is behind the one wire illumination. Come look at my Proof2 video...and you may be able to see the Radiant ;)


Here's my proof that this in an influx of radiant energy!!!   http://www.youtube.com/v/oIidGfe0sPM


As for the pyrosol tests...I will get back to them shortly, as I have shown this is all about R...specifically negative R...So I am interested in making more beads to use as the R, instead of me :)

@RadiantEnRg

Great video!  Please bear with everyone as attempts to disprove are presented.  Your findings are exciting, and become more convincing over time.  Although it must not be easy to have potential "flaws" pointed out, your ability to work with this online team to rule out these things is going to make a huge difference in how quickly your discoveries are accepted.

I've seen some great minds on this forum, and I think you will soon find they will be assisting in replications which will help further your efforts. 

Thanks again for the continued investigation, openness with the details, and videos.

Regards,
jeffc
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 10:28:46 AM
@ JeffC....Thx, I am glad you appreciate my experiments, my willingness to divulge info, and the videos :D
I don't mind people trying to rationalize my experiences against what they have been taught. I guess I have the benefit of not being trained the "right" way lol. I understand where they are coming from, it's like me, I used to believe the Twin Towers were brought down by a kerosene fire....pshhh...lol, but with time people will slowly come around, especially with the help of the internet!!...We shall use the machine to rid ourselves of the " of Babylon"...a lil bible refrence lol....But yeah...I hope we all can work together and gain energy independence....Once I get my financial aid I am going to step this up, gonna get a Neon sign transformer and make me some honkin coils...until then I will continue to do experiments with what I can scrounge up, and further my knowledge of the truth....I think it will save me a lot of money in the long run....well I am gonna get back to it...ttyl.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 10:33:23 AM
Ahhh...it cut out my bible reference...It said ....w.h.o.r.e of Babylon...lol anyway I am getting back to my experimenting/building later guys.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tinu on October 07, 2007, 12:00:59 PM
@ Tinu...you must not know where to look.
My circuit like I said is not grounded..however, I understand that the field field is in the room with me...that's why i devised this test to prove to all it IS NOT PARASITIC C that is behind the one wire illumination. Come look at my Proof2 video...and you may be able to see the Radiant ;)


Here's my proof that this in an influx of radiant energy!!!   http://www.youtube.com/v/oIidGfe0sPM

@RadiantEnRg,

I am not against your experiments. Far from my attitude. Like I said, I appreciate them a lot.

I?ve conducted similar experiments, several times in the near past.
There is one more parasitic C you have to have in mind all the time. This is C over length of any conductor (actually of any body). Avramenko plug is working because any wire has a distributed capacitance over its length.

It may be the case that in your last video, the C over the length of the plate is much higher than the C through the insulating foil, thus possibly explaining why the neon is brighter in one case. I don?t know for sure ? you have a particular setup, which is at your disposal. And I?m not arguing. I just want the subject to be properly discussed.

Also, it is not necessarily always the case when the circuit is primarily closed to the battery. For high voltages there are plenty of cases where you can close a circuit locally and see a current through it.
For experimenting with such cases, I suggest you take a common fluorescent tube and check the E field around it. You?ll see the E-field is very intense and it is decreasing with distance. By placing conductors, Avramenko plugs, neon test lamps, you can easily make a case when by using the existing E gradient, the test lamp will light being in complete electrical isolation. (you can suspend the whole setup using a non-conductive wire).

I?ll wait for more people to come and share their experience.
Again, please do not consider I am against you. I?d just like to nail down the ?radiant energy? if real, to describe it in common terms and to put it to work. All effects are real and they are very intriguing but so far I couldn?t pinpoint a specific experiment that can not be explained by conventional understanding.

Many thanks,
Tinu

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 12:20:22 PM
Well maybe you missed exactly what it is I did. In that video Proof2, the plate you see is a stainless steel plate,one side is coated with an insulating tape....the other side is bare. It is connected directly to the battery terminal.when shorted the neon is very bright...but if parasitic C was the culprit that plate would work MUCH BETTER then my body, as it is directly coupled to battery. It only gets a little brighter so there is a little parasitic C(when I get very close), but you cannot honestly think that my body is a better coupler then that plate can you??? God I hope not......
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 12:25:41 PM
Notice I show direct contact(very bright neon), then i show Parasitic C(plate flipped over)...there is only a VERY thin layer of tape on that plate....If parasitic C was the culprit....The plate would be MUCH BETTER then ground or my body...but as u can see in the video...my NON DIRECT COUPLED body makes the neon brighter then the connected plate cap I had made......Parasitic C CANNOT BE THE FORCE here.....k circuit not grounded so ground is not a direct coupler(nor is my body)...the plate IS directly connected to battery...it is no where near as bright!...you can see that the DIRECT parasitic C coupling is rather weak compared to the neon when I touch it(again I am not touching battery at all...THE PLATE WAS!!!!)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 12:27:20 PM
So I have no harsh feelings :D .... but your argument IS DEAD!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tinu on October 07, 2007, 12:42:20 PM
Your body in direct contact with the neon lamp can be (and actually is) a much better coupler than an insulating foil. Your body?s capacitance is nF or larger. That of a foil&plate is pF at best.
Two (or more) series nF is much larger than any series with one pF?

If you want to be rigorous, place a piece on insulating foil on your finger and check again. What do you think?

One question, though: how it comes that radiant energy always likes to go to the battery? (I mean, if it is really attracted by the neon/discharge or anything else there, it should accumulate there, in that place. It should be collected, diverted etc. But no, it always tends to go back to the battery)

Glad that no harsh feelings!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 01:17:16 PM
Ok...ask yourself what it "could" be coupling too..(the battery) That plate/film cap is connected directly to the battery k??.....the neon is soldered onto the HV...My body is NOT touching the battery...So even if my body was a better cap..which I doubt it is (as I am not connected to battery)....the plate is better simply because it IS in direct contact with battery...(the field IS ON IT).following?? See your argument is that the room is filled with batteries V field..well the battery is not grounded so it's field is localized....the direct connection to the battery makes it a MUCH BETTER path back to battery.....As for my body to better, you would have o be saying that the connection from my body through the air to the battery, then to the neon is better then the battery directly (clipped), then capacitively to the neon???...Sorry no my friend..watch this video and maybe you will see my point...p.s. My Electrical Engineer friend argued the same point as you..except, when He saw the video he immediately recognized the validay of my test and now says he needs to read how they say Radiant works, because I proved it wasn't parasitic C...anyway video here

http://www.youtube.com/v/etONSNthsSE .....oh and just so you know...Only one side of that plate is covered in insulating tape..(field directly to bare metal...surely thats better coupling then field through me then plate???)

http://www.youtube.com/v/ujgLiG7miUk ....I just made this video too..will be done finalizing in a few minutes.....tape on my fingers...no part of  my body touching battery...THIS NOW KILLS YOUR ARGUMENT :D 




Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 01:21:36 PM
Sorry bout the spelling errors...I am tired and my keyboard is really bad about lil stuff blocking the buttons...anyway the videos need a couple minutes to finalize...but I hope this satisfies your suspicions about it being parasitic C.....I think I proved otherwise w/o a doubt now
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 01:24:45 PM
Hmmm...I don't know whats going on with videos, but if you go here you can see them.....they're Proof3 and Proof4

http://youtube.com/profile?user=RadiantEnrG
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 02:18:37 PM
I don't know whats up with youtube..it seems they may be suppressing me??...video says done..but not working
So I uploaded them to google

here they are..........         http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5391877654635220383&hl=en   &   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5057363605077932659&hl=en
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 07, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
maybe this document from Alexander Frolov can help to understand what this setup shows ...

http://intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/FreeEnergy.pdf (http://intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/FreeEnergy.pdf) starts with this at page 5

question is how to make it become useful OU  :D
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: tinu on October 07, 2007, 03:29:58 PM

Ok. Thanks for the videos. They are great!

I guess we have to continue our discussions after digesting all the arguments and after you taking some sleep. It must have been a very long night for you. And I appreciate your continuous efforts.

I suggest you bring also your friend into the discussion.
I?ll try on my side to get a decent video-camera and to replicate whatever will come out of this endeavor. (Right now I have only a still camera, which is very poor for making videos.)

Meanwhile, I?ll throw in some thoughts:
1. I was speaking about the battery as a first experiment only. But as soon as the voltage is raised (oscillator and ignition coil), the battery voltage become negligible as is superseded by the existing high voltages.
2. Unfortunately, for the car ignition coil, the primary and secondary are electrically connected. Ideally, for refined experiments, they would better not be connected. But being given the existing circumstances, the connection point between the primary and the secondary is the common ground. If it?s to judge various capacitances, I suggest being in relation to this point, which happens to be also the metal (conductive) case of the car ignition coil. Hence, the coil being placed on the ground, a strong coupling exists with the ground (floor, furniture& nearby objects, walls etc).
3. I don?t get it why the direct contact to the battery shuts the neon off (Prof3). This is a strange behavior. I wonder if you move the clip on the other diode, will the neon shut off too? This is something I have to dig on.
4. The white wire from the coil to the neon (clip) is actually something that introduces a large variability. Is the white wire connected to the above-spoken coil ground or to the other terminal of the coil? (It wouldn?t make much difference though, because of relatively high voltages and relatively low resistance of the primary winding but it is worth to know). Anyway, the fact that the neon is always light it means that a small current flows through the white wire. Basically the clip is splitting the blue neon in two capacitors. On one semi period the left part is conducting and on the other half, the right part. 
5. Noticed that in Proof4, when the orange neon glows, the right side of the blue neon gets off? Well, what does it mean? To me it still looks like capacitive effects. Your fingers break the symmetry in capacitances and the blue neon shows it.

Keep on with your excellent work and accept my apologies for any language barrier you may rightfully feel as coming from my side.
Respectfully,

Tinu
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 07, 2007, 10:38:06 PM
Hi RadiantNRG,
many thanks for doing these great experiments
and uploading the videos.

I think, also looking at your scope shot videos, that we see
here Radio Frequency bursts with High Voltage effects combined.

Radio waves expecially in these high voltage burst oscillations tend to
move in standing waves or seek to move like this.

So your plastic tape isolated body still has more attraction to them then your
isolated metal plate.

So the neon bulb just is brighter, when your body touches it than the metal plate,
cause still more standing wave current will go through the neon bulb, when your
body is near it.

You can try to see, if you hook your neon bulb
with the non connected side directly to the positive terminal
of the battery and with the other side to the cap, if this
radio frequency burst will charge up your battery again
and thus will not discharge at all...

===============================

But now a few questions about your arcing beads and the fan motor
you have driven.
Did you measure this with your scope ?
How does the voltage at the fan look alike ?
Could you do a video of this and state and show in it,
where the ground line is related to the voltage trace and
what amplifier setting and timing you have on the scope ?

What was the fan RPM and voltage rating from the manufacturer
and how many amps does it draw normally from a pure DC voltage
source ?

Also you showed the fan not running directly connected to your power supply,
but when you used the primary of the transformer and pulsed started it,
it then did run.
Did you measure then the voltage at the fan via the scope ?
Was this some kind of oscillation in the supply voltage going on ?
Did you also have an arcing bead then between the contacts ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 07, 2007, 11:44:36 PM
I don't agree with you Stefan...when I tape a resistor to the outside of the bulb it lights up as well(and the time it should take parasitic C to charge the cap I would imaging would be much longer. But that's cool you guys can believe whatever you like.
Here' what I measured with the motors when a friend came over with his multimeter.... 119VAC@.45amps coming in from wall and 27VDC@2amps...I can't find my journal so I can't tell you the figures for the larger motor. Well the figures for the lil motor are more then the power supply was capable of delivering, and the wattage at the motor is .45 more watts then the wall was supplying. Well, when i find my journal I will give you more figures.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: scotty1 on October 08, 2007, 02:29:22 AM
Here is a little test that i did with a wave gen and some ignition coils, flouro's and a neon.
Scotty
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 08, 2007, 11:18:54 AM
Here is a little test that i did with a wave gen and some ignition coils, flouro's and a neon.
Scotty

Hi Scotty,well done,
but why do you drive with your first ignition coil the second and then use the low voltage output coil of the second
igintion coil ?
Normally it is enough to use the high voltage output of the first coil to feed the fluorescent bulb with single wire.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 08, 2007, 11:55:12 AM
I don't agree with you Stefan...when I tape a resistor to the outside of the bulb it lights up as well(and the time it should take parasitic C to charge the cap I would imaging would be much longer. But that's cool you guys can believe whatever you like.
Here' what I measured with the motors when a friend came over with his multimeter.... 119VAC@.45amps coming in from wall and 27VDC@2amps...I can't find my journal so I can't tell you the figures for the larger motor. Well the figures for the lil motor are more then the power supply was capable of delivering, and the wattage at the motor is .45 more watts then the wall was supplying. Well, when i find my journal I will give you more figures.


Hi RadiantEnRg,
yes, I would like to see more figures.

Was the 119VAC@.45amps going into your AC-DC converter power supply ?

Was this a 12 Volts fan motor which you drove then with 27 Volts ?

Did you use this pyroclay bead between it then ?

==============


Regarding your Avramenko plug setup with the ignition coil,
well we deal here with radio waves frequencies and high voltage,
so predicting, where the radiowaves go is very hard to predict.
It seems your body attracts nicely the radiowaves.

The neon bulb is just energized by radio waves and lights up
when radio waves go through it.

Anyway, to use this circuit you can either try to energize
the battery with the RF bursts or try to pulse the ignition coil
with a real power MOSFET, so you draw more arcs atthe HV output with it and
try the experiments from Markus Wagner,like these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18346774@N00/archives/date-posted/2006/01/

Somewhere he also posted some videos of his arcs igniting his stones and beads
and making them glow, but I can?t find them right now...

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 08, 2007, 03:27:32 PM
Here is an answer from user RandiantNRG, who has in this moment problems to post:

For some reason I can no longer reply on the thread??...Anyway, I can see the RF field with my scope, it appears when i bring it in close, if it was RF going into the neon I would imagine that being right next to the HV lead would make it light up??...anyway I have some done a couple other tests that show it isn't the EE explanation. But I truly don't care what others think.As for the motor test, yes 119VAC@.45amps was true RMS into power supply, As for the 27V that was on the lil motor. the big motor had slightly less, I can't tell you exactly, but it's wattage was less then input, so my theory on asymmetrical geometry seems to hold water.(as the lil motor had a COP>1). Anyway I am getting tired so i am gonna pass out.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 08, 2007, 11:11:49 PM
Ups,seems I had clicked the lock button on this thread, now it is unlocked again.
Sorry about this.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 09, 2007, 07:59:11 PM
If you have not done so already, I would check out JNL labs, you can search for it on google, and check out his replication of this. (if it can be called that since he did it first!) it looks almost like you stole his model and passed it off as your own its so similar!

But you should make an antannae for the neon discharge lamp, make one that is tall, and one that is very capacitive. Will the vertical arial collect more energy or the one with more surface area? this is very important to figure out.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 10, 2007, 10:39:35 AM
Ok....first thing first...I never claimed it as mine....It's an Avremenko Plug...a russian patent based experiment, you can find it here   http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm

Secondly I came here to show you guys what I did with my arc test....No need to imply things...(never remember claiming anything other then it worked)


Well here it is  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6THY-4CYPXP3-V&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=06c2a6bc1ae3d0e97a7fdbc24994a612

It's exactly what I did..The clips I were using were stainless....and the plasma is in that beautiful spark of mine. The reason that a small 30v power supply worked....that's the tricky part, It goes like this...what have I told you about my experiments....1. The power supply puts out pulsed DC...a saw tooth wave.....2.The circuit is pumped through a bifilar toroidal choke(which shelters the lil transistor...from the BEMF of the microwave transformer....The BEMF is the one that is really sparking over and making the arc.....after all it's infinite...well there it is.....do me a favor and please don't point fingers it's not nice!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 10, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
If you have not done so already, I would check out JNL labs, you can search for it on google, and check out his replication of this. (if it can be called that since he did it first!) it looks almost like you stole his model and passed it off as your own its so similar!

But you should make an antannae for the neon discharge lamp, make one that is tall, and one that is very capacitive. Will the vertical arial collect more energy or the one with more surface area? this is very important to figure out.


"But you should make an antannae for the neon discharge lamp, make one that is tall, and one that is very capacitive. Will the vertical arial collect more energy or the one with more surface area? this is very important to figure out"

Regarding this...according to Bedini/Bearden it is all about R...native R, meaning the resistive nature of the antenna as a whole....so the geometry plays a BIG role...so a lot of surface area is great...but also being a thin wire is great too....Radiant is said to increse with impedance
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 10, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
One other thing I think is very important to this....resonance is key to a good constant spark...If you are out of resonance a spark will still occur but intermittent. The power supplies that have worked are very high frequency, The ones that worked the best are PWM's they have a sensing loop that triggers discharge of a small cap giving the sharp impulses....But if you are interested in just making the n-type diodes, A high frequency pulsing circuit would do the trick..it just wouldn't be COP>1...resonance holds the input electrons in a kind of "flux" they are not allowed to leave....this then lets ambient energy come in. But anyway I need to get back to my work.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 10, 2007, 12:01:55 PM
Regarding the link about plasma arcing to make diodes...I just want to make it clear that I am not saying that's exactly what I made...simply that is the proscess...the intense heat of the plasma and the aperance of smoke tells me that CO2 is the gas here...as I used stainless steel...there is probably some Feo2 and Cro2 in there as well....but non the less it was excited in one direction, meaning the layering is atomically aligned, most likely making a type of semiconductor.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 10, 2007, 12:41:45 PM
Hi RadiantEnRg,

please, if you have a minute,
could you please draw up at least a block circuit diagram,
how you connected the clay bead and the transformer
between your Power supply and the fan motor
and specify the fan motor.

Maybe you can do this in a more slow video, where you
describe and show in detail,
what you are using and where all the cables
go...
From all your videos you make all very fast and
assume, one knows, where the connections are,
but we as the viewers are "newbies" to your setup
and can?t exactly see where all theconnections go,
so it is very hard to follow, what you are exactly doing...
Also the youtube quality is not very good, so
sometimes one is missing a cable..

By the way, the video with the running starter motor, where
is went boom, did you drive the starter motor with just one wire
or was it hooked up between fan ground and power supply ?
What was the power supply ? AC or DC and what voltage ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 10, 2007, 03:25:17 PM
sorry didnt mean to imply that you had claimed the idea or stole it or anything like that, I was just pointing out the how visually similar your setup looked to naudin's, so I was trying to say you litterally stole it, sorry joke gone wrong. But, I am going to pulse charge a 5kv cap tonight, get some silica dust from the enamel shop, and try making some beads on different metal surfaces and see if I get similar results.  Well see what happens!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 10, 2007, 03:31:38 PM
Also you mentioned a PWM circuit that had a sensing loop. I have never seen a PWM built this way, usually they are motor speed control circuits that use a 556 chip (dual 555) set up in comparator form using a capacitor and potentiometer to control the CR timing (which is a function of the charging and discharging of a capacitor at a given resistance) They set out whatever signal you tell it to using the pot. Thats why its called pulse width modulation, because you vary the width of the pulse, which is almost always a square wave. If you had a feedback loop you would probably find the resonance of the motor, (if set up correctly) but you would not be able to "control" the speed of the motor efficiently which is what PWM is all about. Sorry if Im being picky, its just that I dont want people to get confused, its dificult enough to communicate over these blasted contraptions.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 10, 2007, 06:20:54 PM
Okay, walked over to the enamel shop and scooped up about 3 pounds of free silica dust. I think it is white, so it might have some titanium dioxide in it, but im sure its mostly silica. I will attempt to create some beads tonight and ill report what I find. Ill follow the brief description of how you made them, and try to replicate.

Do you have any tips or suggestions on your process for making them? seemed that you were making them on a fuse? any reason in particular?
Title: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 10, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
Hi RadiantEnRg,

Wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your enthusiastic posts.

I've attached a schematic of your rev-ing up motor test and would like to know if this is correct?

Is the polarity of the power supply or motor important?

Does the bead itself conduct enough electricity to start a spark, or do you have to start the spark by touching metal to metal and then move the arc over the bead?  Does the bead during the test get hot enough to remelt and become liquid again - or does it stay a glass pellet?

Is the arc actually inside the pyroglass bead?  Does its color during the arcing tell you anything?

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 10, 2007, 08:53:47 PM
From what I understand you are correct Earl, but the part we need to look at is the power supply, I have a "new" signal generator that can do DC bias, so I should be able to reproduce this quite easily, I think if we have two people reporting, it may become more clear.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 10, 2007, 10:07:41 PM


I've attached a schematic of your rev-ing up motor test and would like to know if this is correct?

Regards, Earl

Hi Earl,
many thanks for the drawing.

I guess he still used also  in series with the motor the primary of his transformer
sometimes, if I am not wrong ??

Hi RandiantNRG, could you please us more ?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 10, 2007, 10:44:38 PM
Okay, got home, took out the silica, a 5kv cap, a 350kv stun gun, dc power supply, and went about trying to make a bead

I hooked the stun gun up to the power supply and used that to pulse charge the cap. I was going to about 300-500 volts for the discharges
and might I say that even at this voltage, this is very nerve racking work, even if you know the bang is comming its still surprising. Anyways, I seemed to be corroding the metal contacts, but no silica layer was building up. I also tried to use the stun gun directly, but the ion wind kept doin strange that made it hard to manage.

Long story short, no success so far. but I do think that this process will yield an electret, or a polerized dielectric (not strictly speeking).

would you mind sharing a little more on your process for making the beads?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 10, 2007, 11:37:20 PM
having no success and getting a little frustrated (maybe this just takes a loooooooooooooong time) I decided to cheat and see if I could make a bead with just fire, well it worked, so at least im not barking up the wrong tree.

I am going to try a different method and see what happens

I am going to take some fine copper dust, mix it with the silica, and create a bead over a flame.
To get the same effect, I plan to create the bead on sharp rod connected to the tazer, and have the other output of the tazer directly across from the first, without arching, this should align the molecules with the field while the bead is crystalizing from the cool down process. should be interesting. ill let you all know how it goes.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2007, 12:08:07 AM
Hi armagdn03,
I guess you are using way too high voltage and too low amps.

You really need to use higher amps and lower voltages
like in a welder device so around 30 to 50 Volts and at least 2 to 10amps.

If you use such a power supply as user RadiantNRG has used,
you need to put a big choke or transfomer winding in series
to get the arc still going, after you pull off the contacts.
This high inductance L keeps sure, that the arc keeps burning
due to the BackEMF jumping the arc, when you pull off the contact.

So you need at least to have around 30 to 100 Watts of power to do this, I guess,
so his powersupply with 30 Volts and 3 amps maximum had probably around 100 Watts
maximum power output.

Your Stun-Gun is not built for these high wattage and the high voltage will
play only games via the ion wind with you.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 11, 2007, 12:11:42 AM
Ok...there seems to be a lil confusion as to what actually makes the beads. The diagram Earl showed is correct....however thats just how to use the bead not make it. (And yes Earl it starts up instantly...and will melt the bead until the motor commutator takes over as resonant spark gap).

This is what is crucial to making it....VERY sharp off pulses...the power supplies that worked did this....  /|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|....slower rise time....almost instant off time....this makes a VERY STRONG BEMF...after all faster the delta time (change time) the higher V you get....I would say just make a 555 pulse circuit that operates an optoisolator...which in turns triggers a MOSFET pulsing 30v...in all my test 30v is good. The mechanical switch I made in my "Odd" youtube video is getting the arc...it's all about the BEMF,,,,input=30v....BEMF=1000's of V...theoretically infinate if instantaneous can be achieved

SO just to be clear....no pulse charging of a cap is needed.....all you need is a coil...the collapsing field is what makes the ARC.....The ADP series power supplies work like this...the use rectified 120VAC to charge a large capacitor....then use that capacitor and step i down through a xformer....which then charges a smaller cap....that smaller cap is pulsed by a transistor which is triggered from a sensing coil on the xformer....Once I coax out the initial arc....there is a trail of ionized gas which conducts the following on pulse...which then is shut off and another HUGE arc pulses back...ect
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2007, 01:00:37 AM
Hi RadiantEnRg,
could you please show again in a longer video with all details
and all connections shown and also putting on your scope, how
you run the motor faster with the bead ?

Please show then the output voltage at the power supply on the scope
and also the voltage on the motor.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 01:08:37 AM
Actually I think you misunderstand what I first did before the stun gun. I was "pulse charging" the cap to get a large energy buildup, im sure you all know amperage being a a function of time means that a discharge over a short period of time equals extreemly high amperage.....like in a point contact welder.  ;)
but I did have a large coil hooked up to it.........my electromagnetic can crusher,.. but still the pulses are quite short, ill try something else though.
Title: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 11, 2007, 10:55:52 AM
Hi All,

Here are some more images, comments please.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2007, 01:02:56 PM
Hi Earl,
thanks for drawing this up.

I think he used method B
to make his glass beads.

I wonder, if this also workswith just for instance
3 big 12 Volts batteries in series.

Should do.
Probably the sawtooth waveform is only coming up,
cause the arc is almost a shortout to the power supply
and that way he is loading the power supply too much,
so he sees the ripple, which normally loads up the end capacitor
in the power supply.

The more inductance and lower resistance the choke coil
has in front of the arc,the better it will work.

Back when I experimented with my Newman coil with a series stack
of 9 Volt batteries giving me 2000 Volts and the circuit B , I could
draw an arc of about 2 or 3 cm ( about 1 inch), before the arc stopped,
when I pulled the croco clips more far away.

With lower voltage is also work for instance with a transformer primary
coil, but then the arcing dinstance is less.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
wow, two to three cm, impressive. I know that voltage struggles through a 1mm gap at 3000 volts, im impressed you got so much more, perhaps this is because you were extending an already ionized plasma arch. I will try number 2, as I believe this is what our friend was doing. Looking at number 3 I think that you would need the to leads of the MOSFET in series with the bead and the battery, and have the base connected to a signal generator put on a square wave or "pulse" mode, whichever gives you the fastest rise and fall time. I imagine though that pulling the contacts appart represents the quickest most abrupt disruption, but it can only be repeated maybe once per second, and im impatient.

I saw two microwaves by the dupster, im goin diggin for trash gold.....take it easy all.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 02:22:20 PM
oh I see what you are doing with the MOSFFET, never mind what I said
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 11, 2007, 02:41:06 PM
Hi, only for understanding:

Some of us are always talking about BEMF, isn't it more a collapsing magnetic field effect ?

Sorry for this stupid question, but i think BEMF and a magnetic collapse is not the same thing...
please somebody enlighten me  :)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 03:06:12 PM
two sides of the same coin, since magnetism induces current, and vice versa. So basically you can consider it one and the same, just realize both are present.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 03:07:37 PM
and also they are talking about the "spike" of energy you see when you have an abrupt current induced, or disconnected.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 11, 2007, 07:32:23 PM
Yes...Example B is EXACTLY what I did...thanks for drawing it up...I would of eventually gotten around to it..I am just really busy with school and such. And yes as Armagdn03 said they are very similar... pulse a current through a transformer primary and you induce a current in the secondary....collapse this field(turn it off) and you get a reversed current in the secondary...hence AC.....Now the trick is speed...now think of this..... 1/0 ...as taught in algebra, you cannot divide by 0...you know why this is??...you get an undefined....I would like to re-term that...undefined=infinite.......what does 1/2 mean?...means you change 1 over 2 units of something (time in this case)...so now think of 1/0 ....you change one over 0 time...or instantaneous.....anyone have a graphing calculator??...type in under y= 1/0, then graph... now in class we are told NO...doesn't work...but your calculator knows the truth and graphs it as such....we are told that the line reaching to infinity is the asymptote...and we would get 2 separate graphs...however undefined really means infinite...(more of this in calculus)...but ya whatever you pulse in a primary you get reversed in secondary...Imagine it as a mirror of sorts.....We need to start using electricity as instantaneous spikes instead of rolling waves...if we do this then electrons will not be able to follow voltage....and we will leave the source electrons behind, as current doesn't have to follow V..(look up Fogal charged barrier)...anyway that's my lil spiel on the matter.n If anyone cares I am working on wave theory...electrons ride the waves....if the wave is not a constant (transverse wave), but instead pulsed (square wave) or even half pulsed(saw tooth wave) we can get much more energy out then put in("IF" we have something to "translate" these spikes such as caps/batteries)....well hope that helps a lil with conceptual understanding....My theory adapts the "Aether" theory of Voltage...that it is a second force completely detachable from electrons.....Old theory believes that there is infinite +/- molecules I will call them for lack of better word, that are in a seemingly chaotic "boiling" but since they are opposite and opposites attract...they balance themselves out.....when we make a open circuit...we are making a +/- charge seperate from each other and this allows us to polarizes this "aether" to asymmetry and then the lopsided aether can now pour in. Now all the work in this field (Tesla, Bearden,Bedini,Lindemann, ect) they all say that it is inverted of the electricity we are use to..instead of radiating out(what we do now) this energy is implosive is the best word..and they are reciprocal.....Hence  the term "negative energy" doesn't mean it is negatively charged...means if the energy we use now is called positive energy...then the reciprocal of that is negative....well where I am going with this is here....This energy "eats" up solid state devices.....And loves resistance(not solid state R's, but actual resistance of say a constrictive wire)....We need to start getting back to analog components, as they can hold up very well......However, a really bright electrical engineer could put a barrier between the 2 energies(photon barrier of say opto-isolators). This is the direction I am headed in, so that is why I am not making more videos.....that test proved that the instantaneos change of a square/sawtooth wave makes a HUGE spike in energy that far surpasses input...once resonance is achieved the efficiency goes up even higher.....well I must get back to work..I hope I didn't ramble too much and some find this helpful.....later guys
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 11, 2007, 08:03:48 PM
My theory:

Your experiment with the motor speeding up merely shows that the harmonic-rich spectrum of RF interference you create when sparking interferes with your power supply's regulation circuitry and causes the power supply output voltage to increase, thus speeding up the motor.  This is a very common phenomena in labs where RF work is done.  Until you disprove this theory (far more likely than obtaining mysterious free radiant energy), you have not shown anything anomalous.

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 11, 2007, 08:36:01 PM
Thanks to armagdn03 and RadiantEnRg for explanation.

Hmm, you said very fast ... the problem is that in theory you can create mathematical giants (delta impulse/dirac)
but in practice you are limited by reality  :(

look i understand what you are trying to show with your experiments and i think its good work!

The bemf or magnetic collapse is like a very good dirac impulse (~infinity high, ~zero time)
thats also the principle of the bedini motor, the magnet should only generate this dirac impulse
current is not desired ... but because of this easy to rebuild design its less efficient.

So i wish you all good luck in tapping into radiant energy.
Perhaps many people have seen it already and don't realized it...
 
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 09:19:28 PM
I think I will at this time elaborate a little better on the transverse / longitudinal structure and relationship between the two types of electrical energy and how energy can be actually created in the process.

As you know these longitudinal electric waves send energy foreward using compressed and decompressed "waves" while transverse electrical waves are the "rolling" sinusoidal waves we are all familiar with.

Here is the part that I have heard very few say, but holds TONS of weight, some may already know it, but others are probably hearing this for the first time and are gonna blow a few brain cells.

Excluding DC, how do you define the "size" of the energy you are reading in each wave? Or put another Way, how do you determine the maximum amount of energy characteristic of the wave? In our transverse rolling waves, this measurement is known as "amplitude". When you increase the volume of your stereo, you are not changing any characteristic of the wave other than its amplitude..... frequency, wavelength, all stay the same.

Now I'm going to take a step back and give a little background so that we can apply what we observed above to longitudinal waves.

Think of a capacitor. How does it work? what does the dielectric do? Well because quantum mechanics says that electrons are not really in one place at a time  (until measured  ;)) we cam see them as an electron cloud. Normally when we apply a potential across a sea of these clouds, they want to follow the direction of the field. This electron movement is our preception of electricity. In a capacitor, there is a positive plate and a negative plate. The electron clouds in the dielectric are not able to move only stretch (because it is a conductor). When the field is applied they stretch out storing energy, then when the capacitor is shorted they snap back to a more natural state and release the energy.

Knowing this we can take a look at longitudinal waves. They are the compression and decompression of the electron gas. NOT the movement of it! They are the stretching and unstreatching of the clouds of electrons just like in a capacitor!

Wow that explains alot! so if we were to try and use a really good conductor to send longitudinal waves what would happen? a potential or voltage is applied the electrons stretch a little and then begin to move. We have to stop the potential before movement of the electrons, which is why pulse duration is so important. This is why highly resistive elements work so well!!!! The electrons simply cannot move as well, so they are more responsive to staying in one place and changing shape, or stretching rather than moving to a different location.

So now that we know this, we want more power!!!! right? we crazy humans always want more....so how do we get more energy out of a longitudinal wave? we increase its amplitude....duh.

Bigger amplitude means we need to get the clouds to bunch up closer, and separate farther. the best way to do this is to squeeze and pull the electrons to deform as fast as we can, if we are too slow we get electron movement, which kills our source dipole (battery, power supply what ever) This is why high frequency, super sharp pulses are used. One great way to do this is a park gap. The plasma discharge of a spark gap is a really quick punch to the electron cloud and before the electron has time to move back from the punch, its taken away, so it gets compressed but not moved.
Kind of like being hit with a car..........if you get hit going 10 miles an hour, first you compress a little, because inertia doesn't want you to move, then you slide 2 -3 feet. This is how our circuits work now. But, what if you get hit by a car going 200 miles an hour, that the moment it hits you, retreats just as fast as it came. You would compress very much, maybe explode, but your body would not go far. This effect would be even better in water, where the water restricts your forward movement, just like how resistive materials increase the effect of our transverse waves.

Knowing this I would venture to say that its not just resistive materials that work best for transmission, it would be resistive materials that have very high permeability's, or constants K (known for capacitor design)

Hope this helps a few people out.


Also, I dint think that stray RF signals would mess with the power regulation of such a simple power supply, but to be sure could he not run the spark gap in a Faraday cage? also if this were the case, would the contacts from the brushes to the rotor being broken and reestablished during rotation not cause harmonic rich RF interference that would affect power supplies all the time? they dint seem to!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 11, 2007, 09:43:12 PM
The electron clouds in the dielectric are not able to move only stretch (because it is a conductor).
The electron clouds in the dielectric are not able to move only stretch (because it is a not a conductor).

Typo

Earl

By the way, I like your above post, very good explanation.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 11, 2007, 10:05:59 PM
thanks for pointing that out! that one could have definitly confused people!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: argona369 on October 11, 2007, 10:35:06 PM
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Title: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 11, 2007, 10:44:32 PM
The doubts of Tissyburger about RF getting into the power supply is a good, valid point and can be best cleared up by using a battery.

In fact, FE experimenters should get in the habit of ONLY using batteries and NEVER using regulated power supplies.

One could say that the RF generated by the commutator would also confuse the regulated power supply, if it was that sensitive.  Would the arcing around or through a glass bead cause more RFI than a commutator?  Only the shadow knows.  Of course, if the glass bead is a negative resistor, it can very easily oscillate with whatever inductance and capacitance it can find.  Should this be the case, there might be several simultaneous oscillations going on all at the same time.  The RF spectrum might look just awful on a sprectrum analyzer. The motor commutator is modulating the negative resistance oscillator, which then modulates the [no more] regulated power supply, which then modulates the .........
By using a battery as a control check, the circuit complexity can be reduced and anomolies more easily identified, if still present.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2007, 10:45:31 PM
My theory:

Your experiment with the motor speeding up merely shows that the harmonic-rich spectrum of RF interference you create when sparking interferes with your power supply's regulation circuitry and causes the power supply output voltage to increase, thus speeding up the motor.  This is a very common phenomena in labs where RF work is done.  Until you disprove this theory (far more likely than obtaining mysterious free radiant energy), you have not shown anything anomalous.

Linda

Yes,it would be good, if user RadiantNRG could try his arcing bead speeding up his motor just
on a 12 Volt battery to see, that it is no effect from a jammed power
supply, which just might increase the voltage.

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 11, 2007, 10:47:12 PM
thanks for pointing that out! that one could have definitly confused people!

Best as author to go back, hit the modify button and change the text.  Then the confusion is permanently ended.

Earl
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: argona369 on October 11, 2007, 11:24:18 PM
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Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 11, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
@Argona369

I believe that Earl was referring to me.  He apparently believes Ashtweth's rather weird and unfounded accusations that I am "Humbugger" and "Hissyfitnihilism" now parading around "in drag". 

I speculate that the name "Tissyburger" is his childish way of combining the basic phonetic sounds of "Hissy" and "bugger".

I hope they get over the idea eventually, but if they want to think that I suppose that is their right.  I have been amazed at the childish rudeness certain folks express here in response to basic scientific inquiries about their various claims and representations.  Oh, well!

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: argona369 on October 12, 2007, 12:13:34 AM
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Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 12, 2007, 03:27:07 AM
@Linda...I tested it with an multimeter....power supply V output is regulated by a 30V cap....Never goes above 27v...So believe whatever you want. It's BEMF spike that powers arc...SIMPLE AS THAT...this ENERGY IS FREE....made by "near" instantaneous change....Thats the fact of the matter.
I haven't read all the other posts...and am late for class will read up later
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 12, 2007, 08:12:23 AM
@Armagdn03 yes that is a wonderful explanation....I couldn't explain it any better :)

@argona369...here's the thing about speed f light, it would seem that only whatever makes up voltage potential(be it "aether"...etc) travels at the speed of light...and it is proven that electrons move at "near" the speed of light. This makes sense if you think about what an electron is suppose to be...it's an sub-atomic particle....it has a tiny bit of mass...(b4 you say anything, I know we are taught to disregard this because it's close enough...or we are taught it's massless all together "I am making the crazy assertion that physics as we know it is not whole!!!!") Voltage potential is completely massless....or at least much closer...so voltage can beat electrons if we can switch fast enough.

@Everyone saying it just throws the regulated power supply out of regulation.....it's only regulated by a transistor that pulses a 30V cap via sensing loop!!!...so if I can get the motor going and the spark gap going(these are separate..ie not at the same time "meaning 2 tests")....they will harmonize with the pulsing!!!!! Not out of regulation....In sync with regulation!!!! Here is the un-changeable thing. The output is physically isolated from the 120VAC...both by an opto-isolator, and by a step down transformer that charges a 30v cap for supply power!!!...I would also like to stress, I had a 3rd party member of my H2Earth skype channel come out and take measurements!!!! Maximum voltage ever recorded from output was 27V!!!!!! PERIOD, game over!!
That's 27 volts supplied to microwave xformer....and 27v supplied to the small motor...funny thing is the big motor which is symmetrical in commutator construction DID NOT SPIN AS FAST, NOR WAS IT 27V!! IT WAS LESS!!

Get over it....sawtooth wave makes a HUGE BEMF spike..... /|/|/|/|/|/|/| .... violates no laws of physics..I am not saying xformer draws in energy..(only open circuits do that at resonance)...all I am saying is the normally grounded Back EMF is very powerful and we should start using it!!!!....Radiant energy is something else I am working on....nothing to do with motor...except the motor was COP>1.....(i believe it was resonating at the exact same pulse as the output "fluxing" the electrons to create EMF in motor coils....after all these are coils...off pulse of commutator is a sharp change in time!!!!)...oh one more thing, just to be clear.....Motor is ran w/o microwave xformer.....just power supply and motor fo that one!!! Power supply and microwave xformer for the spark gap test!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 12, 2007, 08:30:43 AM
Now, I am not saying anything bad about anyone here, I get why you must challenge/question things, it is how to prove/disprove stuff, after all we were all taught differently in school. I am a mechanical mind(who is just now learning digital electronics) and that is why I can see "how" this works(pure physics)....however, I don't have time to explain/defend my findings here, I am working on a deadline for another project and I have classes every weekday. So I will probably not come here so often to defend/explain my tests...Take them or leave them, I really don't care. I don't intend to become famous...blah, blah, blah...I truly just wanted to show people there "may" be another side of electricity that was frozen out of the market long ago. I would encourage people to start reading Tesla, and watch the Bearden videos..better yet buy his books,....He has a great new book out.....Awesome!!!....but ya, I might pop in time to time to see if anyone has any questions/ideas for me...But, I would encourage you to just buy the power supply off of Ebay.....Or just start taking them apart...Once you know what to look for, you will see that many are constructed this way and can be used for the sharp off spikes...If you have a scope it's that much easier...look for either a sharp Ton...or sharp  Toff (you will most likely find sharp Toff).....but here's the thing....it needs to pulsed by a sensing loop.....this makes synchronization easier!

Models that have worked so far: ADP-25HB, ADP-16B (I believe it's 16B)
Basically all Delta ADP power supplies...and an HP worked after I pulled out the ground....but experiment...Go to your local electronics recycler and look for rectangular power supplies...in the 14-30V .8-1.2amp  range..open em up and right away you will know...(you will see a large cap....a small step down transformer....and then a small cap on the output...it will also have an input choke, and an output bifilar choke.....So get some power supplies and take some measurements yourself (I have nothing to prove here)....You may be very surprised!!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 12, 2007, 08:35:28 AM
Oops...One more thing that will make your replications work :)
I didn't get these results right off the bat...I was pulsing a cap by hand, over an over, soon I noticed that a patchy "corrosion" started to appear...I kept going, until this was larger, and then.....Low and behold it started arcing...so whatever that layer is it is beneficial,,,,I believe its a p-n type heterojunction diode (negative resistor diode)

But ya thats it...final post for awhile, good luck hope you get results
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 12, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
@Linda...I tested it with an multimeter....power supply V output is regulated by a 30V cap....Never goes above 27v...So believe whatever you want. It's BEMF spike that powers arc...SIMPLE AS THAT...this ENERGY IS FREE....made by "near" instantaneous change....Thats the fact of the matter.
I haven't read all the other posts...and am late for class will read up later

It sounds as though you are not interested in subjecting your "facts of the matter" to any testing or to considering any theory except your own to explain what you observe.  Why do you bother to present your experiments, then?

All I am telling you, and others are saying the same thing, is that your demonstration could be much more convincing and get a lot more people interested if you simplified it by using a battery instead of a switchmode power supply and it still worked.  That seems pretty simple, and since you are already in posession of these magical beads, why not do the simple battery/bead/motor video demonstration and really get the interest going?  Lots of us would really like to see that, if you could do it.

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 12, 2007, 08:04:51 PM
Well, I don't have a multimeter, and no longer have that particular power supply. In later tests/experiments I "fried" the power supply. Anyway I am going over to a buddies house who said he has lots of extra ones laying around so I will see if I can get one that pulses fast enough.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 12, 2007, 08:19:16 PM
I can understand the frustration of RadiantEnRg, he was asked to participate here, and present, and sometimes people can come off as a little critical of others. I think it takes understanding on both sides.

Thank you though for comming here and posting your results, im sure there are alot of people who are "browsers" who do not post, but are glad still that you are sharing with us. Please keep doing so, and dont let people get to you, I even know people who have gotton almost jelous of others progress, simply because it was not their own idea.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 12, 2007, 09:16:44 PM
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All I am telling you, and others are saying the same thing, is that your demonstration could be much more convincing and get a lot more people interested if you simplified it by using a battery instead of a switchmode power supply and it still worked.  That seems pretty simple, and since you are already in posession of these magical beads, why not do the simple battery/bead/motor video demonstration and really get the interest going?  Lots of us would really like to see that, if you could do it.

Well, I don't have a multimeter, and no longer have that particular power supply. In later tests/experiments I "fried" the power supply. Anyway I am going over to a buddies house who said he has lots of extra ones laying around so I will see if I can get one that pulses fast enough.

Now I am really confused!  The idea is don't use a power supply...don't use a multimeter...just use a battery, your bead and the motor.  Do the same experiment as the first video, just replace the power supply with a battery.  Then see if your motor speeds up when you go through the bead instead of direct.  Do you understand what is being asked for?  Or is there something special about the combination of your particular power supply and this bead thingy that makes the extra power in your mind?  Please explain for those of us not as gifted intellectually.  Thanks!

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 12, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
I believe one could use a battery, but you would have to use a 555 timer and "enginner" a biased ac/dc signal with sharp wave forms. But........i think that if the bead is acting as a negative resistor (spark gap) then the wave forms that come off of it should resemble this.

I gave a link a bit back to a guy that made negative resistance resonators by placing a pin against a slightly corroded piece of metal (he used heat to oxidise the surface a bit I think) with a dc input he was able to get frequencies in the audible range and hooked speakers up to the circuit to proove it to himself. im quite sure there is nothing special about the bead....its just a spark gap.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 12, 2007, 10:34:12 PM
I believe one could use a battery, but you would have to use a 555 timer and "enginner" a biased ac/dc signal with sharp wave forms. But........i think that if the bead is acting as a negative resistor (spark gap) then the wave forms that come off of it should resemble this.

I gave a link a bit back to a guy that made negative resistance resonators by placing a pin against a slightly corroded piece of metal (he used heat to oxidise the surface a bit I think) with a dc input he was able to get frequencies in the audible range and hooked speakers up to the circuit to proove it to himself. im quite sure there is nothing special about the bead....its just a spark gap.

@RadiantNrG

I thought the power supply was providing 27V DC, well-smoothed and filtered by its 30V capacitor.  Is that incorrect?



Linda
Title: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 12, 2007, 10:58:48 PM
A little story to explain some things to younger people.

When I was fresh EE graduate a long time ago, I moved to my first job and asked a newly made friend if he could lend me a power supply so I could align an FM transceiver that I was converting from commercial to Ham radio use.  This friend was a top-notch Engineer with decades of experience and also a Ham radio operator.  After a while I became very frustrated because the normally simple alignment was giving me a lot of problems.  After quite some time, I came to the conclusion that at certain voltage settings his power supply was oscillating and even worse the frequency was around 455 kHz exactly the IF frequency.  He was extremely embarassed, but I rubbed it in anyway, since a really good Engineer would have put a small resistor or ferrite bead on the base of the series pass transistor.

I know of another case where a young Engineer designed an audio intercom system that was used overseas on a top secret project.  Lo and behold, the intercom was oscillating in the FM radio band and all conversations could be heard on a normal FM radio.  So you can see, whether young or old, you can always learn.  I am an elder and I learn many things every day, in spite of 40+ years of professional engineering experience.

Dear RadianNRG, please do not take any comments as being negative, any criticism is positive and is meant to help and clarify the situation.  Maybe you think older, more experienced participants and Engineers are old foggies and don't understand.  I hope the above examples will make it clear that we are all working for the same goal and trying to multiply our individual intelligence through co-operative discussions on a non-emotional, intellectual basis.  There is a big difference between negative criticism and positive criticism.  I have seen absolutely no negative criticism in any postings.

Perhaps one of the most important things I have learned over the years, is that you are blind without an oscilloscope.  You can make a quickie measurement of a power supply with a multimeter, but you should be aware that this does not tell you very much.  In this particular case, only an oscilloscope will show if the regulated power supply is oscillating due to external influences.  An Engineer without an oscilloscope is like a pianist without a piano.

Having a couple of batteries around is always a good idea.  One time I was breadboarding a linear RF fiber optic prototype and was having problems.  The RF preamp had about 40 dB gain and the fiber optic link another 15 dB, at the same frequency and from the same power line.  I disconnected the power to the preamp and powered it from a battery and the problem disappeared.  An additional RF choke and by-pass capacitor in the RF preamp solved all troubles. 
I bought a couple of auto accessory 7Ah battery packs with cigar lighter jack, modified them with additional bannana jacks and keep them charged up.  One for 12V or two in series for 24V.  They come in very handy; would not like to be without them.

In any case, my sample of pyroclay should arrive sometime and I will try a few experiments myself.  Houston, we see molten lava down there........

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 13, 2007, 12:04:08 AM
@ linda, he had an earlier post where he showed how he hooked into the power supply, and I do believe he bipassed the smoothing capacitor. could be wrong though
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 15, 2007, 08:52:05 PM
In later tests I bypassed the smoothing cap and used pulsed rectified DC(thats why it fried)...However, in all of my videos(the original ones) I used the actual output, which never saw anything more then 27V, due to stepdown xformer. Also the max amperage was 2amps....the voltage has a limit, and it seems the only thing I could "de-regulate" was the amperage, because it was only suppose to supply .87amps. So to just clarify, pulsed DC power supply, /|/|/|/|/|/|......and coil, thats and a lil manual "coaxing" is all you will need to tap BEMF potential.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 16, 2007, 01:29:32 AM
Hi All,
I just tried this with just a battery.

I had 8 pieces of AA MiMh cells in series with a total of 11Volts freshly charged.

So then I used a few different coils in series with this battery and going to
a 12 Volts DC motor.

I then used different contact materials like pencil graphite ( which has clay in it !)
on copper or pencil graphite on iron or copper on iron, etc...
but always the direct connection did make the motor run
faster and when I drew an arc at the contact point,
always the motor did run slower,
cause much of the energy was then used up in the arcing
putting out heat and RF energy.

Okay, I didn?t try pyroclay cause I don?t have it,
but now I believe, user RadiantNRG has just jammed his
power supply with the arcing and thus it produced more
output voltage.

Please user RadiantNRG try it yourself again with a 12 Volt
battery and let us know the results.
If you don?t have a 12 Volt battery and don?t want to buy one.
well, at least try to get from somewhere a Kill-a-Watt meter,
so you can measure the input power into your power supply
and see, if you heat the pyroclay bead and your motor runs
faster, if you draw also much more input power ?

As long as these tests have not been done, one can really not say
anything about this...

Now I am going to try the other circuit with the transformer pulsing...


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 16, 2007, 08:14:43 AM
Hi All,
I just tried this with just a battery.

I had 8 pieces of AA MiMh cells in series with a total of 11Volts freshly charged.

So then I used a few different coils in series with this battery and going to
a 12 Volts DC motor.

I then used different contact materials like pencil graphite ( which has clay in it !)
on copper or pencil graphite on iron or copper on iron, etc...
but always the direct connection did make the motor run
faster and when I drew an arc at the contact point,
always the motor did run slower,
cause much of the energy was then used up in the arcing
putting out heat and RF energy.

Okay, I didn?t try pyroclay cause I don?t have it,
but now I believe, user RadiantNRG has just jammed his
power supply with the arcing and thus it produced more
output voltage.

Please user RadiantNRG try it yourself again with a 12 Volt
battery and let us know the results.
If you don?t have a 12 Volt battery and don?t want to buy one.
well, at least try to get from somewhere a Kill-a-Watt meter,
so you can measure the input power into your power supply
and see, if you heat the pyroclay bead and your motor runs
faster, if you draw also much more input power ?

As long as these tests have not been done, one can really not say
anything about this...

Now I am going to try the other circuit with the transformer pulsing...


Regards, Stefan.

I agree completely.  It seems like so many of these stories start out claiming one straightforward effect that seems anomalous but by the time four or five posts are made, the story has branched out so many ways with so many added elements, new conditions and various theories and arguments that the original idea is lost in a fog. 

Science moves in little steps, each one carefully stripped of all presumptions and assumptions.  Every step involves testing and observing and trying to explain the observed results first using known conventional phenomena.  Here, in most cases, too many variables remain undefined and non-conventional conclusions are leapt to without ever even stating the setup and observations clearly.  It's impossible to replicate such undefined experiments, not to mention pointless. 

I still don't know what the original setup was on the "speeding motor" experiment and I don't think any two readers share the same vision.   I don't think there was an external coil in it, was there?

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 16, 2007, 04:35:01 PM
Hello all!

Well I have been doing a bit of experimenting, and I have some interesting things to report.
First, I have made my own glass beads. They are nothing more than a spark gap. They are exactly? the same thing as the wire contact resonator I pointed people to earlier. That being said, I did do some interesting things with it!

My first huge success, was making micro sculptures?.lol,  Using a mix of pure silica, and powdered copper, I created beads on the end of a needle, then while still amorphous, I applied a huge voltage across the pin, (cathode) and put a metal plate across from it about 2 mm away (anode) the voltage was probably around several hundred Kv.  The metal created little channels through the molten glass to emerge on the other side and complete the contact, but since the heat was enough to melt the glass, but not the metal, I imagine that these little electrical roads through the glass are more like hundreds of spark gaps in a row. Cool. I wish I had perfectly clear silica to use so I could see this better. This is going to need way more experimentation.

This being said, I began to think, and I believe that one wire transmission with a spark gap properly tuned may be one of the cleverest approaches to over unity yet, it Is a natural negative feedback system that finds its own resonance. BUT?..and this is only a little very overcomable but??it wont just work right away, it needs special starting conditions.  Lets take a little trip on the imagination train. I don?t have anything drawn up, but this is easy to see in your head. Wow, uh this is going to be a long post but full of good stuff, so stay with me.

First we need a little background so that people don?t start screaming at me that its not possible, because it is.

If you are familiar with Avramenko?s plug you are well on your way to understanding what I propose. If not, read papers by a man going by the name of Alexander V. Frolov. One of his better and more telling papers can be found here  www.alternativekanalen.com/s-wire.htm. Here he states many many important clues to successful replication. One states that when using one wire power transmission, sending a positive pulse down the wire, will when it comes into contact with a metal object will create a spark between the end of the coil and the metal object. This doesn?t happen nearly as well if you send a negative pulse down the coil. This is because the positive pulse reaches the end of the wire, where the free electrons in the metal jump over to the coil, its easier to take electrons from the coil, than to stuff more in (hence not working as well on the negative side of things) This shows that it is possible to have a one wire spark gap.

Now with your one wire spark gap and a coil for the load, you can do something interesting. Say you have 10 volts of potential across the gap, but it needs 12 volts to fire. If you can give a brief 12 volt pulse it will fire once. The wave will travel down the wire, terminate, bounce back. Now the wave is reversed. When it returns to the spark gap you have a voltage potential of 20 volts, since the wave is reversed. The spark gap will easily fire again sending another wave, and the process repeats itself over and over, no mater what coil you have, it will find its own resonance.

This represents a way to find resonance after we already have the one wire transmission, im sure it could be done with a two wire setup as well, im working on that.

Another interesting thing this brought me to, and I don?t know if this will work maybe some of you out there can give me a word or two of advice. With heterodyning, we are trying to make one frequency out of many. People are trying all over the place to find tricks to get their devices to resonate at super low frequencies (tpu threads)  has anybody ever tried to make a higher frequency wave from a low frequency wave? I think it could be done, but not sure.

If you were to take a length of wire ---------------------------------------------l   that terminates, it has a resonance dependant on its length. Now what if we take two separate wires and connect them loosely (physical contact only)          --------------------------------------------ll-----------------------------
The idea is that the signal will reach the connection, some of it will bounce back to the start, and some of it will keep traveling in the second wire, where it will terminate and go back to the first wire. If we match up the lengths correctly we can create more than one frequency from one wave depending on the length of the second wire. The compound signal would be weaker, and would be really hard to extract. I don?t even know if this has application, but would be interesting to try if you have an oscilloscope handy, which I don?t.

So now im working on a motional  electrostatic field condenser, one wire transmission, spark gap wave propagation, hmmmmmmmmmm I think I need focus, too much to do.

Also do read up on Avramenko, with his one wire setup, he has broken the connection, tied it in a knot and had energy flow continue. He has also sent over 1kw over a wire less than the thickness of a human hair with almost no loss. Sounds like this one wire stuff is the real deal when it comes to cold energy?..we get coils that suck in electrons from the environment, at one end, try to push it out at the other end (hmmmm electromotive force created by a pulsed coil TP..You know where im going) we have tons of energy being sent through a little wire, that can be broken and still function (anybody remember that guy T.H. Moray?) And to boot, the goal  is to create larger amplitude longitudinal waves, where the means to this end is shorter and shorter impulses (at the spark gap, or whatever your negative resistor may be) which means that the closer we get to using less and less power on the input, the output gets greater and greater, thus increases in efficiency will yield 2 fold results. Im definitely gonna take this one and run with it!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 18, 2007, 07:24:55 AM
@Linda and Halibertin....If you don't hit resonance(or come close), or if you are not using the BEMF, don't expect any gains. I have tried it...over and over....It's physically impossible for these power supplies to "jam" and "overfeed" voltage. VOLTAGE IS SUPPLIED VIA A STEP DOWN TRANSFOMER....(COMPLETE ISOLATION) Only voltage capable of coming out is 27V, this was verified by a 3rp party (Jeff and his investor), using his multimeter!!!!....27V was being supplied!!!
BEMF that forms in coil/commutators of motor and collapsing field of microwave xformer is powering the gains you see!!!!...It's quite simply really!!!!!!

@Armagdn03....YAY!!! I am glad you see it ;) ..... I noticed it was a spark gap too....more precisely a spherical spark gap, that auto resonates!!...Well I am really happy you are getting results :)
Can't wait to hear more
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: AhuraMazda on October 18, 2007, 10:11:07 AM
@armagdn03
Very interesting post.
Do you think the bead you are trying to make might naturally exist? Swedish stone comes to mind!
The link you posted does not work. Is it correct?

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 18, 2007, 02:17:34 PM
Quote
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@Armagdn03....YAY!!! I am glad you see it Wink ..... I noticed it was a spark gap too....more precisely a spherical spark gap, that auto resonates!!...Well I am really happy you are getting results Smiley
Can't wait to hear more

Hmm, spark gap in liquids like one of the tesla patents where tesla eliminates the sparks with fluxating liquids like oil...
Very intersting, got some step down power supplys from HP, tell you more after testing ...

-> problem with time is that nobody has enough of it ...  ;)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 18, 2007, 03:48:57 PM
@armagdn03
Very interesting post.
Do you think the bead you are trying to make might naturally exist? Swedish stone comes to mind!
The link you posted does not work. Is it correct?



Yes the beads I am making do naturally exist.....they are just a spark gap. If you read my above post, you will see that a sparkgap that is finely tuned can find its own resonance. It doesnt even have to be that finely tuned if you have sharp enough cutting of the current (pulling the contacts appart and using the BEMF) theoretically the voltage spike can be many many times the input voltage. Thats all you need for a spark.

The site again is

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/zincosc.htm

It should work I just went there. This is the exact same thing, only it can handle less power, but it is using a corroded piece of metal where the corrosion acts as the spacing inbetween the cathode and anode. When ionization tips over to the point of full out conduction through plasma (a spark) you get a dissipation of energy that falls below the level needed to sustain the spark and it self extinguishes untill the potential rises to a point high enough to start the cycle over. If you can control this natural oscillator to fire at a precice time, you could find the resonance of what ever inductor you hook up to it. Tesla did this by rotating counter opposed spark gaps, moving fluids, flame, hot air, electro magnets, but if you could find a clever mechanism that caused the spark to fire exactly when the first pulse bounced back you would have a device that finds resonance to any coil it is hooked up to.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 18, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
@armagdn03
Very interesting post.
Do you think the bead you are trying to make might naturally exist? Swedish stone comes to mind!
The link you posted does not work. Is it correct?



Yes the beads I am making do naturally exist.....they are just a spark gap. If you read my above post, you will see that a sparkgap that is finely tuned can find its own resonance. It doesnt even have to be that finely tuned if you have sharp enough cutting of the current (pulling the contacts appart and using the BEMF) theoretically the voltage spike can be many many times the input voltage. Thats all you need for a spark.

The site again is

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/zincosc.htm

It should work I just went there. This is the exact same thing, only it can handle less power, but it is using a corroded piece of metal where the corrosion acts as the spacing inbetween the cathode and anode. When ionization tips over to the point of full out conduction through plasma (a spark) you get a dissipation of energy that falls below the level needed to sustain the spark and it self extinguishes untill the potential rises to a point high enough to start the cycle over. If you can control this natural oscillator to fire at a precice time, you could find the resonance of what ever inductor you hook up to it. Tesla did this by rotating counter opposed spark gaps, moving fluids, flame, hot air, electro magnets, but if you could find a clever mechanism that caused the spark to fire exactly when the first pulse bounced back you would have a device that finds resonance to any coil it is hooked up to.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: AhuraMazda on October 18, 2007, 04:56:43 PM
@armagdn03
I mainly deal with microelectronics so forgive a naive question. Could we not use a fluorescent tube as a spark gap? They have a negative resistance characteristic too.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on October 18, 2007, 05:12:26 PM
Hi,
a multimeter is not enough to measure this correctly, you need at least a scope to really see, what is going on.
Please post scope shots.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 18, 2007, 05:26:16 PM
@AhuraMazda

Then im sure there is much we can learn from each other!
Actually I bought a Xenon flash tube the other day, and its specs say that the flash durration is 1-2us well below teslas minimum of 10us. I guess we will have to experiment to see if this is a viable option!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 18, 2007, 07:52:03 PM
@Hartiberlin....I would like you to explain something that my "simple" mind cannot grasp. How can a step down transformer's secondary winding supply any voltage other then what it was tuned to give??? Also, I have scoped it...27V!!!....use your mind, as the eyes cannot always be trusted. Either believe me, or do not. Just think about it a little harder pls. How could that power supply "jam" open to a higher V??????.....And if that was the case why wouldn't it blow up the 27V cap???????.......and why did a multimeter average 27V @ the motor???????....There is obviously a higher voltage.....psssst....It's created from the BEMF!!!!!! SIMPLE AS THAT...pls think about it....and re-read Armagdn03's thread......HE GETS IT!!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 18, 2007, 10:49:43 PM
Quote
...the key is the POWER SUPPLY....it is an active power supply...I tore it apart and immediately saw the Tesla/Meyers connection....(THERE IS A 200V CAPACITOR WHO'S NEGATIVE GOES TO AN INSULATED PLATE "OPEN CIRCUIT").....It is giving out pulsed DC.....but special kind, If I look at it on my scope in the 20-50v range, all I see is a 30v DC line right....but If I zoom in to 2v setting...it is step charging and discharging...meaning the "straight line" at this power looks like saw teeth of a hack saw.... Also the output is through a torroidal bifilar coil...

This is a quote from a very early post in this thread.  It indicates a couple of things to me.  The part about the 200V capacitor having its negative lead going only to an "open circuit" is clearly an incorrect observation.  I will bet money that the minus side of that cap is connected to the input bridge rectifier minus terminal and also to the main switching transistor's source or emitter, among other things.  You must be looking at only one side of a two-sided board.

The observation that the power supply gives out "a special kind of pulsed DC" is humorously naive as well.  All switching power supplies exhibit "ripple".  It sounds like this is a cheapie and has a fair amount of ripple.  That is not uncommon and certainly is nothing special or "Tesla/Meyers" related.

To answer your repeated question regarding "how could it ever put out more than 27V", it is clear that there are two other common-knowledge facts that are completely unknown and mysterious to the author/experimenter:

1.  The way voltage regulation takes place in a switching power supply is by way of PWM or pulse width modulation.  The turns ratio of the transformer only establishes a range; the actual output voltage is detertmined by a feedback loop which is easily upset by RF radiation and which controls a chip that performs the PWM function, which in turn sets the output voltage.

2.  An earlier post proclaimed that the output voltage was "regulated by a 30V capacitor".  That is simply incorrect, as the capacitor has nothing to do with regulating the output voltage.  Furthermore, a capacitor rated at 30V will generall survive surges up to 40-45V for short periods, so it is entirely plausible that a higher voltage than 27V could be present on that capacitor.

Since those posts, there have been numerous arguments that the power supply has been measured and only puts out 27V.  The point is, however, that the supply was not measured during the video we watched where the motor sped up when "beaded" as opposed to hooked up straight.

I don't think Stefan is saying that your experiment doesn't work, and I know that I'm not saying that at this point, either.  What I am saying is that all of your arguments as to why the theory of supply voltage deregulation is impossible are obviously faulty.  I am also saying that your understanding of basic conventional electronics and switching power supplies is lacking.  I'd still suggest re-doing the first video experiment with a battery in place of the power supply.  If the motor still speeds up when going through the bead, then you'll have something interesting.

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: fritz on October 18, 2007, 11:23:04 PM
... you can spend easily 2000$ for a GOOD
regulated labratory power supply.
And even that supply would have some limitations
on powering rf circuits .... (...)(...)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 06:45:20 AM
@Linda


.....Haha....all I can do is laugh at people like you. I find it absolutely hilarious that you insult my intelligence and call me naive, while at the same time you you make "ass"umptions on a circuit you have never seen. Trust me Linda, just because I do not use terminology that fits with your snobbish pedigree, does not mean I am naive in any way.
 I believe Tesla, I believe he knew exactly what he was doing....as well as he knew exactly how to say it. So please pardon me when I say "regulated power supply" What I mean by that is this.....there are 2 circuits....first circuit rectifies the 120VAC, and feeds it to a 200v capacitor, the capacitor is then pulsed to the step down transformer, via an N-Channel Mosfet, triggered by a sensing loop on the step down transformer...thats the 1st circuit....2nd circuit is as follows.......step down transformer's secondary output (complete isolation) is then rectified again...then fed to a 35V capacitor.......that capacitor is then pulsed via a small transistor, triggered by an opto-isolator running off the 1st circuit via a logic timer...like a 555....this is then pulsed out through a bifilar choke coil....and thats that!!

So....I find your attitude and your wording, VERY telling as to what kind of agenda you have Linda!....I understand if you put a higher voltage into a transformer it's output is higher!.....Here's the thing Linda...I took measurements on true wall RMS....it wads 119VAC @ .54amps....True RMS at motor was 27VDC @ 2 amps....The only thing that changes is frequency...I verified it.....AND I DON"T CARE IF YOU BELIEVE!!...when i get another ADP model power supply, I'll make a video just for you k??...However this test is small stuff....I am moving up to 110Kv.... :)
I honestly don't care Linda...I just take offense when people call me naive...I may not be classically brainwashed...oops I mean trained.....In electrical engineering...However, I know my physics very well....(and the Tesla approach is purely physical)

Ya, that's all I have to say bout that!!.....You guys are on your own. I am moving onto a much larger scale project......and I am tired of trying to separate the "Pros" from the "Hoes"....think about it....if an agency wanted to keep something down....or keep it out of public knowledge...how would they do it???
Answer....providing a place for people to talk, then talking all kinds of trash....Now there I am not totally paranoid...I know that people have a hard time changing learned thought...But like I said.....I am tired of trying to separate the "Pros" from the "Hoes"
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 07:05:57 AM
One other thing Linda....How would RF upset a PLL circuits output voltage....Isn't maximum V determined by resistors??? Resistors that feed the Mosfet???....Neither RF, nor any other type of noise (radiation) can effect the R values...So V will remain constant...the only thing "noise" can alter is frequency!!!
You give yourself too much credit.....or I not enough...You decide which ;)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 08:00:46 AM
@Linda


.....Haha....all I can do is laugh at people like you. I find it absolutely hilarious that you insult my intelligence and call me naive, while at the same time you you make "ass"umptions on a circuit you have never seen. Trust me Linda, just because I do not use terminology that fits with your snobbish pedigree, does not mean I am naive in any way.
 I believe Tesla, I believe he knew exactly what he was doing....as well as he knew exactly how to say it. So please pardon me when I say "regulated power supply" What I mean by that is this.....there are 2 circuits....first circuit rectifies the 120VAC, and feeds it to a 200v capacitor, the capacitor is then pulsed to the step down transformer, via an N-Channel Mosfet, triggered by a sensing loop on the step down transformer...thats the 1st circuit....2nd circuit is as follows.......step down transformer's secondary output (complete isolation) is then rectified again...then fed to a 35V capacitor.......that capacitor is then pulsed via a small transistor, triggered by an opto-isolator running off the 1st circuit via a logic timer...like a 555....this is then pulsed out through a bifilar choke coil....and thats that!!

So....I find your attitude and your wording, VERY telling as to what kind of agenda you have Linda!....I understand if you put a higher voltage into a transformer it's output is higher!.....Here's the thing Linda...I took measurements on true wall RMS....it wads 119VAC @ .54amps....True RMS at motor was 27VDC @ 2 amps....The only thing that changes is frequency...I verified it.....AND I DON"T CARE IF YOU BELIEVE!!...when i get another ADP model power supply, I'll make a video just for you k??...However this test is small stuff....I am moving up to 110Kv.... :)
I honestly don't care Linda...I just take offense when people call me naive...I may not be classically brainwashed...oops I mean trained.....In electrical engineering...However, I know my physics very well....(and the Tesla approach is purely physical)

Ya, that's all I have to say bout that!!.....You guys are on your own. I am moving onto a much larger scale project......and I am tired of trying to separate the "Pros" from the "Hoes"....think about it....if an agency wanted to keep something down....or keep it out of public knowledge...how would they do it???
Answer....providing a place for people to talk, then talking all kinds of trash....Now there I am not totally paranoid...I know that people have a hard time changing learned thought...But like I said.....I am tired of trying to separate the "Pros" from the "Hoes"


Well, well, well.  So I am a "Hoe" with a secret agenda then?  Your description of the power supply is getting closer to being factual (what about the minus side of the 200V cap?  I'm right, am I not?).  That's good, you must be learning somethng.  You again continue to show that you do not understand how your power supply works when you refer to it as a PLL circuit and talk about the voltage being set by resistors that feed the MOSFET.  I know the circuitry of switching power supplies, including the one you refer to.  It contains no phase locked loops (PLL) and no 555 timers.  It has a PWM controller chip.

The MOSFET is driven by a PWM chip and not directly by a resistive divider.  The feedback signal does go through a resistive divider and an opto-isolator before it gets into the PWM chip's input.  RF does not effect the values of the resistors, of course.  It can very easily effect the overall amplitude of either the correction signal or the reference signal at the PWM chip, thus changing the PWM duty cycle and finally the output voltage.  Most simple PWM chips use a constant frequency and vary only the duty cycle (as I said) to keep the output voltage in regulation over a varying load current.  Strong RF in the vicinity can easily disrupt the feedback circuit and error amplifier signals.  It is well known.

Your power supply is very common, totally normal, extremely simple and has nothing to do with Tesla.  It still seems like you would rather become emotional and insulting than just look at what people are saying which, by the way, is 100% true and very well known in the case of power supplies going out of regulation when subjected to strong conducted RFI.  The more you rant and rave about how that is just completely impossible with your special power supply, the more obvious it becomes to anyone experienced in these matters that you are indeed naive.  Sorry, but it's true, whether you like it or not.

Anyway, you again miss the entire point.  Nobody is attacking you or your project.  Some of us are curious whether the effect of the motor speeding up when powered through your bead is a genuine anomaly or if it can be explained by other, well-known RF bench effects.  Your stubborn and just plain incorrect arguments and now your resorting to calling people whores with secret hidden agendas shows everyone that you are widely missing the point.  The point being:  TRY USING SCIENTIFIC METHOD, SIR! 

Eliminate these pesky theories people like me pop up with not by getting all emotional and rudely insulting them and babbling on and on most ignorantly about how you think your power supply is magically immune from all possible RF interference, but shut us down by using good old fashioned simple scientific proof!   It should be very easy.  Why are you so resistant to a simple test?

Stefan, myself and others have asked all along that you simply show the supply voltage on a scope or even on a meter while you do the motor speed-up bead experiment or just use a battery instead of the power supply to quickly eliminate what you consider to be our silly theories about possible power supply deregulation.  NOW WHAT IS SO DARN TOUGH ABOUT THAT? 

Linda   

No pedigree here...I am a student, junior year.  And I'm not a "hoe" by the way...
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 08:20:16 AM
LOL, I am not emotional at all!
And I never called you a hoe...I suspect you to be a Pro ;)
As for the 200v cap's negative terminal, it is commonly grounded to the 1st circuit.... Like i said I am not hip to your lingo!!.....What I meant by PLL is that the sensing loop on the xformer is triggering the 1st circuits discharge via mosfet...hence phase locking loop ;)
Also...YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!!!....the Fet is triggered DIRECTLY BY RESISTIVE DIVIDER!!....gate is controlled by the sensing loop....and PWM drives OPTO!!!!! which pulses output circuit!!!!
You are not an authority...Nor have you seen this circuit...so ya...nice try...Maybe you're a Pro-Hoe??? ;)

Ohh and the Tesla remark pertains to disruptive discharging of capacitors!! So please....stoo foo....LOL....as I said b4 you give yourself way!!!! too much credit
You are not psychic..and i doubt you know this circuit...or any other Delta ADP circuits....Delta is an internationally renowned power supply company.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 08:33:31 AM
Lots of incorrect assertions there; still no science.  I know the circuit quite well and I am not wrong.  But it is clear you would rather argue foolishly and name-call than do a simple test which would prove that the theory of power supply disruption is not at play.  Sorry you feel that way.  It's dissapointing but not surprising.  Carry on, then, and good luck to you.

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 08:34:41 AM
Ok...here's the cold hard truth Linda
I am so adamant about my power supply not doing that...because i have scoped it...and metered it with a H2Earth colleagues meter.
The fact of the matter is.....I don't like being called names.....It upsets me ;)
Like I have said maybe.....I don't know...5 times now...I kept experimenting with power supply and eventually destroyed it..along with 4 other similar ones...NOT DOING THE MOTOR OR COIL TEST!!...doing a separate experiment....where I tapped into the 1st circuit...."bad idea".....anyway Linda......I will show you as soon as I get another....However!!!....you are taking petty pot shots at my intelligence, when in fact I gave 100% disclosure...Get the power supply yourself...then you can offer your opinion...because right now...you THINK you know what exactly is in this circuit...and you THINK it's giving higher voltage.....I KNOW it's not...according to a multimeter.

So in conclusion...My frustration comes out of the fact that you make statements as if you are here with me, actually looking at the circuit I have IN MY HANDS!!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 09:05:38 AM
Did it ever occur to you that I might have one of those very same power supplies, too?  Or a full schematic?  Or that nearly all small switching supplies use very common basic app-note circuits?  Well...you should check it out...the topologies in small wall-wart switchmode power supplies have a lot more in common than they have differences.

I apologize if you feel like I am attacking you.  I don't recall ever calling you any names.  I said your understanding of how your power supply works is naive.  I still believe that...more every time you post.  All the talk of PLLs, switch-mode MOSFETs being directly driven by resistive voltage feedback dividers, etc etc etc...it's just not even on the page!

I am not the only person who has repeatedly asked you to show the voltage with a meter and/or a scope or to use a battery instead of your switching supply.  Could you please explain why you have not done that?  I am beginning to think that you have privately done it and that it (the motor speeding up) didn't work anymore using a battery or that you found the supply voltage did rise.  I can't think of any other reason you would spend so much time writing words ridiculing the idea of RF interference messing with the power supply when it would be so simple to disprove! 

Can you answer the straightforward question as to why you so vehemently refuse to check and resolve this simple matter in the way that Stefan Hartmann, myself and several others have repeatedly suggested and requested?  It's becoming quite puzzling...

Please?

Linda

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 09:25:14 AM
OK LINDA....So now for the 6th time.....I fried the power supply!!!....I will gladly do it again when I pick a new one up.
I told you I HAVE done it privately.....Answer me this Linda.....Do all small power supplies give out a perfect sawtooth wave???...and do they have all the negative capacitor terminals go to an insulated plate???

Your rationalizations do not impress me...they may dissuade people....But good for them, means I will be the only one doing it ;)

And one more fact....You pride yourself on being an Imperialistic Scientist...yet you and others are BLIND....You cannot make inferences on things you cannot see.

Point in case......The Bead does not make the motor go faster in either case(the large 12v motor, or the small hobby motor)...what it does...is allow instantaneous RESONANCE!!!!!
If you go back and watch my 1st videos...you will see I must "coax" the effect(w/o bead it's faster once in resonance then with bead)....however, with the bead...all I have to do is flip a switch and it automatically hits it's NEW resonance with it's spherical spark gap/waveguide

You keep pounding this dead horse into the ground...However, I have told you HOW MANY TIMES NOW???? I blew up the power supply....I would love to smear your face in the fact that doesn't go to a higher V....Sadly i must wait to "stick the sock in your mouth"


OHHHHH....here's one more thing for ya Linda....Armagagn03 has used KVs to try and replicate....surely your not saying the lil power supply passes that??....ONE MORE TIME.....IT"S RESONANCE PEOPLE....in conjunction with BEMF!!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 09:33:04 AM
Simply pulsing will not work!!...resonance needs to be found...and then adjusted to new resonance when arc forms...THAT IS WHY POWER SUPPLY IS SO SPECIAL....no other reason!!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 09:35:35 AM
Sorry if I seem too stupid.

Let me see if I understand what you are saying: 

1.  The reason you do not show us a motor speeding up with the bead while using a battery supply is that it won't work.

2.  The reason it won't work is that the battery does not provide the essential sawtooth waveform.

3.  The sawtooth waveform is a small-amplitude high frequency AC voltage riding on top of the mainly DC voltage (27V) that your power supply puts out.

4.  Your theory is that this high frequency sawtooth waveform (otherwise known as the ripple voltage, present on all switching power supplies) resonates with the bead somehow and causes a large boost in the power delivered to the motor.

Is all of that correct?  Am I getting it finally?

Linda

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 09:37:41 AM
When the power supply is on with no load....it is silent. However, when shorted, or when arc forms, or when the little hobby motor resonates...The circuit hums....Indicating resonance!! RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE RESONANCE.....getting it yet??????.....You build circuit that can pulse a  coil and can automatically find...then maintain resonance and no matter what input voltage(within reason to application)....you will be in business.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 09:46:36 AM
Could you slow down for the retarded here and just indicate if the four points I made are exactly correct understanings or not, please?

Then, after that, could you tell me about this :"hum": and if its audible or what...

Thanks
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 09:49:57 AM
Close Linda...
The reason I have not showed it with a battery is
1. Because the lil motor that auto tunes to resonance is destroyed...the arc melted brushes/commutator after long use.(no problem, because all lil hobby motors are constructed the same way...having 3 coils/3commutator contacts/2brushes)

2. Because I do not have the skill, nor money to build my own 12v oscillator circuit, with it's own PLL...(Resonance alters due to load, and needs to be matched) All I can build is a simple astable  555 circuit with crude pots to adjust...which wouldn't be so bad on motor...(I need another motor)..however..i have a HUGE project in the works, which will prove this all on a much bigger scale

3. I have many small 12v batteries....I have drained most of them :(

4.I am simply not working on it right now. I have an analog resonant coil I am building now, I plan to prove all of this further....using around 110Kv :) (10 12v batteries in series pulsed into transformer....for all you battery people)...


Linda I know it may seem like I am dodging your curiosity....I am not, I took measurements, and would love to show you guys again.....so in the meanwhile, i am going to go to FreeGeek..an electronic recycler, and pick up some power supplies, they have a whole huge box of em.....then i will post videos with scope data k??...at least till I can get to batteries


Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 09:58:58 AM
I confess now that I am thoroughly spun, confused, bewildered and totally numb.  I will await your further reports with bated breath.  Glad we were able to get to here without too much bloodshed.  Have a ball with it. 

I'll never understand about the batteries, the ripple sawtooth, what is supposed to be resonating with what and all that, I guess.  It makes no sense to me at all and if I ask any more questions I can tell we will just go round and round forever, so I'm going to quit while I'm behind.  I have classes tomorrow anyway. This is only a small part of my unfinished homework! 

Thanks for your impatient patience and I'm glad we can "still be friends"...I hope...

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 09:59:44 AM
Umm, yes....your points are almost 100%
A straight battery will not work...just like the straight power supply barely worked
Umm, the small saw tooth wave form is like you said mostly DC...but going through a bifilar choke, I suspect it picks up an AC overtone.
In resonance....i am not sure it gets more energy....although if you are familiar with Bedini chargers...he does the same thing..resonating a battery lets it suck in free electrons???...My theory is more along the lines that resonance acts like a kid pushing a swing...and in the motor the commutator is making many adbrupt breaks, which allows BEMF to be used in the motor...hence the HUGE green arc inside it, (for now you will have to take my word that it was metered at 27v), If you want, you could come into my H2Earth channel maybe and ask Jeff himself???...or just wait till I get another power supply

the bead is spherical, and circles are VERY conducive of resonance....pi=3.14.....motor has 3 coils?? Just throwing some stuff out there
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 10:05:07 AM
The load must resonate with the circuits output.....Hence I believe the jamming is correct..but not jamming open voltage...jamming open frequency
The coil is a factor of 1...meaning one spark increents...so it tunes to resoance quite easy....the motors on the other hand....the Big `12v is balanced so it has an even increment of 2...the lill motor is off balanced...it has odd increments..so in complex ratios it can tune by 1 increment like the coil alone. This probably doesn't make sense, but I can't explain better what resonates with what...You would have to see my journal, and my notes of the lil motor's phases/sets
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 19, 2007, 10:05:58 AM
Try not to fry yourself, okay?  Nighty nite now!

Linda
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 10:11:28 AM
Sorry for the spelling errors....and I forgot the Big motor, it never truly resonates with the circuit...(due to balance)

And Linda...I get mad sometimes because I am not very good with terms, and so people try to discredit my findings because I can't phase it correctly...but, Would a rose by any other name be less beautifult?..But I assure you I am not naive. Hopeful, but not naive. Sorry for my (Pro/Hoe) comment, I get a lot of desperate/commited attempts to humiliate/refute my experiments...and it does get a lil old.
But, ya no harsh feelings...again sorry ;)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 10:20:27 AM
Last thing...the hum is VERY audible....Sounds like a pissed off hornet
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 19, 2007, 12:57:48 PM
Wow how much to read here ... but happy end  :D

ITSFWI:

Please folks be aware that one cannot simple mix EE priciples with a FE/OU/CE concept!
=> The result in the end will be a not working scrap something!

And if you are even in study EE therory and have also less practical experiences
- mixing of those concepts can be dangerous to you - your grades!

So the easiest way is to test something by own - make experiments and you will see
whats really going on - because all EE theorie cannot show you the way to what we are looking for.

Oh, and this is not a school, try to get a therory about FE/OU/CE you like, there are plenty of it
around us ... there is no book or something else that tells you how to learn FE/OU/CE like schoolbooks does ...

... hope new people now understands that torture their brains by mixing EE and FE is pointless.

Super
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 19, 2007, 09:36:06 PM
@ Super

:D  Great point.....not only them...tortures my brain as well...trying to explain it in terms they can "handle"...EEs are trained...it's as simple as that. If an EE really wants to get a concept of how this works....Leave your training at the door.

However, I want to make something clear, they are in no way wrong....they just don't have the "BIG PICTURE"....and that is so on purpose. Tesla proved this over a hundred years ago, and all other, and I mean ALL other FE/OU inventors have just re-invented Tesla tech.
So i urge all of you, GO TO THE SOURCE!!....The reason Stan Meyers is so hard to read is because he encrypted it. He did not want people to know that his tech. was patented many years ago, so anyone could have replicated and sold. It's all just unique applications of Tesla's early findings.
If you guys read Tesla's patents, it's all there plain as day..take it at face value and run with it.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: linda933 on October 21, 2007, 10:59:47 AM
You guys may be right about basic education in electronics being an impediment to understanding the odd jargon and far-out theories of "radiant energy" effects.  I admit I know far too little in that area to agree or disagree.

However, when discussing how conventional, commercial, classic, standardized mass-produced electronic power supplies work, I'd say that a good basic electronics education would be rather essential.  Otherwise, there may be a tendency to miscommunicate, misunderstand and mis-describe basic ordinary conventional circuitry and its operating modes.

Since in most electrical attempts at producing overunity machines there is at least a basis of conventional electronics used (power supplies, signal generators, inductors, capacitors, semiconductors, transformers, etc) it would be a really great idea to try to learn the basics of how those things really work and the correct terminology for discussing them.

Then, based on a thorough understanding of the conventional, the eyes are able to observe and the tongue is able to describe things better which seem not to fit the conventions.  It is quite common and very sad to watch while people attribute all sorts of "amazing" and "mysteriously unconventional" behaviors to what are in fact just normal-behaving conventional circuits which they simply have no real understanding of.  

Those who steadfastly decline to learn the conventional and adopt only the unconventional theories never have the chance to observe this, I guess, but it's rampant on this forum.  Really sad, too.  A lot of wasted time and effort just from not knowing the basics of conventional electronics.

Let's put it this way:  You don't have a prayer of recognizing what is truly unconventional behavior if you are not familiar with the normal, expected and conventional behaviors!

To toss aside all the knowledge and technological advancement based on that knowledge, declaring it as something that should be left at the door would mean that you would spend lots of time being amazed and astounded by what appear to be mysterious phenomena that are in truth very well known, common and fully understood!

So, unless you are ready to toss aside your modern electronic tools, instruments and components (all of which conform entirely to the known laws of conventional electronics teachings)...including the web and your computer and all your communications devices...

Try to have a little more respect for those who spend time gathering a "conventional education".  That base of knowledge is certainly not complete, but it is what has brought us all the technology that we depend upon all day long every day to even begin to explore and discuss what remains to be found!  

I find it to be a far worse and less excusable sin to remain uneducated in the well-known realms of conventional science while condemning it as being incomplete (all the while pretending to accurately discuss and understand it) than to confess an ignorance and curiosity of the unconventional and unknown aspects while seeking to gain a solid foundation in that which is well known and understood.  Just my two cents in defense of basic education.

Linda

 

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 21, 2007, 09:13:31 PM
@Linda....again you make me laugh. From the get go, I told all that I am not an EE, and don't know terms too well. However, I know enough to accurately describe what I see thank you. I also think a picture is worth a 1000 words!!.....And, as you have done quite alot so far....You missed my point. "They are in no way wrong"...is what my point was....I know what is conventional...I also know what is not.....I also know desperate attempts to rationalize something, when I hear it.....I don't KNOW anything at all...neither do you.....all I can do is describe what I SEE, and make hypothesis!
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Mr.Entropy on October 22, 2007, 04:20:48 AM
It's nice that you value your own observations and experience.  What Linda refers to as a "basic education", however, is a concentrate distilled from the observations and experience of _coutless_ others.

It takes a special kind of person to disregard that.

I wouldn't change you, though.  It takes a special kind of person to do experiments in search of overunity.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 22, 2007, 07:57:04 AM
I'm not disregarding anything. It is a cold hard fact that electricity behaves as such when a closed loop is made. What isn't cold hard facts is, what is happening when no direct loop is made. H.V. capacitance coupling is obviously at play, but where the "electrons" that power a one wire illumination come from.....thats a different question...One I don't think conventional electrodynamics can offer....I believe that we are all connected via a "life line" of sorts...a flow that connects every atom of matter. It wants to come into our circuits...we have to build them right.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 22, 2007, 04:09:19 PM
Wow, uh, I left for a week, I come back and its all gone to hell! Lol, anyways, I think this has become a dead conversation from which nothing can be taken, other than soap opera?ish banter of course!

Anyways I would like to offer an explanation as to why a dc biased AC signal is necessary for this particular circuit to work.
If it works like I think it might, and that is a big if.....then the bead is the element that needs to be looked at, in its novel configuration as self resonating spark gap.

If we have voltage potential across the spark gap (bead) at 25 volts. In order to sufficiently ionize the gap and have a spark, we need say 30 volts.  The true RMS multimeter may read at an average 27 volts.  What is happening is we start at 25 volts

we get a ripple, sets us to 30 volts for a brief time,

we have a spark,

pulse goes down the coil, bounces back opposite polarity

Now we have a 25 volt potential across the gap again, until the negative 30 volt pulse makes its way back to the gap

Now we have a potential difference somewhere around 55 volts, enough to make a powerful spark, that will??go down the coil, bounce back and induce another pulse.

This could be replicated with a battery! But it will not just run, you would need an artificial way to create an ?ignition? pulse to get you from 25, to 30 volts, then it should take care of itself.

My guess is that the ripple from the power supply only plays a part in coaxing the circuit into operation, after that beginning point, it probably just brings efficiency down a bit.

THIS IS BRILLIANT THINK ABOUT IT! An auto resonating circuit? A built in feedback loop?



As you all have probably noticed, I never post experimental results. I just speculate. I am an armchair physicist in your eyes, I know. I would love to bring experimental results to the table with empirical evidence, however I?m quite afraid I will get ripped apart. I would think that this place of all places would be a safe forum for open thought and personal as well as collective growth.

I am quite ashamed at the flame war going on, and it really saddens me to see such effort go up in smoke amidst the name calling and mistrust.

How about a little collaboration? Some people have scopes, some people have True RMS digital multimeters, some people have analogue meters, some people don?t have anything at all. We all do our best with what we have.

If you do not feel that results presented were measured accurately, either kindly offer measuring advice, with instructions and be available for further questioning, or???replicate yourself and post your improved measurement results.

Do not criticize without bringing something to the table! Its very easy to take a pious position and think yourself superior to others. It is human nature. Especially in the OU field where we are on the fringe of accepted science, and the direct result of your experimentation may equate to knowledge nobody else in the world holds. You know something others don?t im sure, does that give the right to belittle others? I personally believe no, and I think to do so is a waste of time effort, and space that  could be used helping your fellow man.

Also, I see a lot of requests for scope shots from different people.

Understandable.

But, what if the person does not have the means to accomplish this? Scopes are very expensive. I don?t own one yet, and don?t want to buy a cheep one because I would like a nice one down the road, and don?t want to buy twice. Just keep things like this in mind. We all do what we can with what we have. We are all in this together, and we are the last people that should be fighting with each other.



?hey, why don?t you take a scope shot and post it??

?sorry I don?t own a scope, do you have any other suggestions?

?No not really, someone once said an EE without a scope is like a blind truck driver, maybe you could check at your local university. They usually have equipment you can use if you are a student, if you are not a student, maybe a friend can help you out. ?

?wow thanks, really good advice, as soon as I do that ill post what I find out!?




Oh man, that would be a sweet world.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Super on October 22, 2007, 04:26:33 PM
@ armagdn03, thank you for your articles, very interesting, very good explained!  ;)



If anybody likes to know:

As far i have done a lot of avramenko style experiments look at mr. frolov
(don't ask me about power factors, i did not mesured it - yet).

This shows me same results as seen in RadiantEnRg's movies:

- closed loop: light bulb shines normal
- open loop with metal plate: light bulb shines brighter (obviously)

I used high voltage @ 8 Khz and low voltage @ >30 Mhz for this with same results.
Question is if near/far field theory really can't explain this phenomenon ...   :-\

Oh, my powerline is 400m hair-size copper wire going from basement to garden ...

My next attempt is to do resonance between two high voltage transformers.


I can only suggest everybody to do some tests with the avramenko plug, read what frolov says about and
read what armagdn03 and RadiantEnRg tells you  ...

PS.: @ RadiantEnRg how did you open your power supply, i tryed with a screwdriver but my HP is stronger - don't want to break it or flex it  ;D

Super
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 22, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
@ Armagdn03....You are right. I tried not to get angry....but I am human, and sometimes I just get mad. Especially when I am called things like naive. I personally thought me and Linda were past it????

I have a scope...I do not have a power supply at the moment. That is why I have not complied...I think I have said this like 8 times now. I have tried to replicate with other means....(A motor/commutator,...555 oscillator,....etc) but it didn't work...I need a synchronous induction motor for that to work., I think my next circuit will be Transistor driven....triggered by a sensing loop(this might do the trick)

@ Super... That's great...I used 10-12v @ 10-11Khz....30V works much better....however I couldn't get driving opto's to stay alive :(

As for the power supply question....I used a long strong knife(be careful).....I managed to get one side up, then I used knife as a lever to pop it all the way off.

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 22, 2007, 10:36:40 PM
I think we all know its easy to get a little hot under the collar with sensitive issues, I think sometimes it just takes an impartial observer to set things back on track.

I think you mean well, as does linda, as do most here, that pretty much the bottom line.
Title: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Earl on October 24, 2007, 04:43:56 PM
@All

I have been gone and in the meantime, I received some pyroclay sample.

I have some other things to do first, and my computer has some problems, so there will be a delay until I have time to try making some beads.

@RadiantNRG

Please your comments about the following circuit.
If you do not like the circuit, please suggest changes.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 24, 2007, 08:20:39 PM
It needs to be a pulsed circuit. The battery supplies a straight shot, and you want either a square wave or a saw tooth wave. The abrupt changes make a reverse EMF that is really powering the load. Making the crazy green light. A motor/switch would work...but there is heavy losses in the switch. I would recommend a 555 astable circuit, or a transistor setup...where a sensing loop, of about 5 turns be wound on microwave xformer, or around motor, and that triggers transistor. If you go with a 555, alot of tuning will be needed, and it is very dificult/impossible to tune it "on the fly"
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: AhuraMazda on October 24, 2007, 09:40:18 PM
@RadiantEnRg
How did you make your pyroclay bead conductive?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on October 25, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
@AhuraMazda
Plasma arc fuming of metal contacts...Stainless steel clips....some of the stainless transfers and makes layers of FeO2 and CrO2 and there is the addition of the SiO2....there is an intense localized heat...So I am assuming that oxides are the compound be made.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: stallman on October 25, 2007, 04:12:43 PM
Hey would pyroclay make a Tesla coil's spark gap work better?

@erfinder

Can you please elaborate on your idea about morays Swedish stone.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: Grumpy on October 25, 2007, 04:24:10 PM
http://www.accuratus.com/zirc.html
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 25, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Hmmmm, this is interesting.

Though I have not read that transcript of Tesla in a while, If I recall, it was written about high frequency alternating currents.

I was always under the impression that he abandoned this work to move on to direct current pulses and radiant energy, though I?m sure the connection is quite strong.

I have heard a lot about spherical wave guides. Would someone be willing to elaborate on this concept?

Would you be willing to venture a guess as to what role the silicon oxide plays? It seems that Tesla thought this would be the easiest and most durable route, but not the only one.

Im re-reading this Tesla article now though. Thanks for entertaining my questions.

Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: RadiantEnRg on January 13, 2008, 04:27:24 AM
I don't know if anyone is still following this thread...but I have found a new Negative Resistor!!! I have found that seeding a SS tube in a hydrocarbon flame makes it a very unique diode/battery/capacitor in water!!

I am speculating that the inside boundary is CrO2...the outter boundary is FeO2....there is then a layer of carbon to act as an amp restrictor/negative resistor.
Well I will let the test speak for itself.
You can find my results here....    http://youtube.com/profile?user=Zer0PointUnlimited
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hoptoad on January 13, 2008, 05:33:24 AM
Can you please elaborate on your idea about morays Swedish stone.
@stallman
You can read an interesting portion of this site : http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm
which contains quite a bit of information on the "Swedish Stone" that Moray used in many of his experiments.

The relevant section is about 1/2 of the way down the page. It's a very long page with a lot of "historical" pre-amble before it gets to the informative sections.

Cheers from the Toad who Hops  ;)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: amigo on January 13, 2008, 05:42:16 AM
heya hoptoad,

thanks for the linky, an interesting read. :)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hoptoad on January 13, 2008, 05:51:14 AM
heya hoptoad,

thanks for the linky, an interesting read. :)
Hi Amigo - Yeh, I found the whole article to be quite an interesting read. The historical pre-amble actually helps to put some of the information into perspective within a social context.
You know, the more I research the science of the late 1800's and early 1900's and read about fellows like Tesla, Moray and Roentgen, the more I feel duped by twentieth century corporate interests!

Cheers from the Toad who Hops  :)
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: one on January 20, 2008, 06:50:54 AM
Just a couple questions

Is anyone  still trying to replicate  the  pyroclay beads?

Grumpy   ...... is there  reason to believe that Zirconium Oxide might  be  a better material for  these kinds of beads?


gary
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: armagdn03 on January 21, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
this thread has died down a bit due to certain realizations. The beads were tried, and found to be non linear resistors, much the same as a spark gap, they are useful, but they are only one element of several needed to obtain the required results.
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: one on January 22, 2008, 01:28:51 AM
this thread has died down a bit due to certain realizations. The beads were tried, and found to be non linear resistors, much the same as a spark gap, they are useful, but they are only one element of several needed to obtain the required results.

Thanks   armagdn


I have some theorys about   them .......but they will have to wait .   I don't have the stuff I would need to  run the test with yet .

gary
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 22, 2008, 03:50:57 AM
I don't know if anyone is still following this thread...but I have found a new Negative Resistor!!! I have found that seeding a SS tube in a hydrocarbon flame makes it a very unique diode/battery/capacitor in water!!

I am speculating that the inside boundary is CrO2...the outter boundary is FeO2....there is then a layer of carbon to act as an amp restrictor/negative resistor.
Well I will let the test speak for itself.
You can find my results here....    http://youtube.com/profile?user=Zer0PointUnlimited


Hi RE,
what is the difference to a galavnic cells ?
You are using up the iron in this cell, right ?


Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Did you ever run your pyroclay material with a battery as the power
supply ?
Title: Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
Post by: plengo on November 03, 2008, 12:16:24 AM
Does anyone have any info about this project? any more success? or reasons it worked (or not) on the beggining?

Is the proclay necessary?

Fausto.