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Author Topic: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?  (Read 81165 times)

Offline armagdn03

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #105 on: October 11, 2007, 03:06:12 PM »
two sides of the same coin, since magnetism induces current, and vice versa. So basically you can consider it one and the same, just realize both are present.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #106 on: October 11, 2007, 03:07:37 PM »
and also they are talking about the "spike" of energy you see when you have an abrupt current induced, or disconnected.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #107 on: October 11, 2007, 07:32:23 PM »
Yes...Example B is EXACTLY what I did...thanks for drawing it up...I would of eventually gotten around to it..I am just really busy with school and such. And yes as Armagdn03 said they are very similar... pulse a current through a transformer primary and you induce a current in the secondary....collapse this field(turn it off) and you get a reversed current in the secondary...hence AC.....Now the trick is speed...now think of this..... 1/0 ...as taught in algebra, you cannot divide by 0...you know why this is??...you get an undefined....I would like to re-term that...undefined=infinite.......what does 1/2 mean?...means you change 1 over 2 units of something (time in this case)...so now think of 1/0 ....you change one over 0 time...or instantaneous.....anyone have a graphing calculator??...type in under y= 1/0, then graph... now in class we are told NO...doesn't work...but your calculator knows the truth and graphs it as such....we are told that the line reaching to infinity is the asymptote...and we would get 2 separate graphs...however undefined really means infinite...(more of this in calculus)...but ya whatever you pulse in a primary you get reversed in secondary...Imagine it as a mirror of sorts.....We need to start using electricity as instantaneous spikes instead of rolling waves...if we do this then electrons will not be able to follow voltage....and we will leave the source electrons behind, as current doesn't have to follow V..(look up Fogal charged barrier)...anyway that's my lil spiel on the matter.n If anyone cares I am working on wave theory...electrons ride the waves....if the wave is not a constant (transverse wave), but instead pulsed (square wave) or even half pulsed(saw tooth wave) we can get much more energy out then put in("IF" we have something to "translate" these spikes such as caps/batteries)....well hope that helps a lil with conceptual understanding....My theory adapts the "Aether" theory of Voltage...that it is a second force completely detachable from electrons.....Old theory believes that there is infinite +/- molecules I will call them for lack of better word, that are in a seemingly chaotic "boiling" but since they are opposite and opposites attract...they balance themselves out.....when we make a open circuit...we are making a +/- charge seperate from each other and this allows us to polarizes this "aether" to asymmetry and then the lopsided aether can now pour in. Now all the work in this field (Tesla, Bearden,Bedini,Lindemann, ect) they all say that it is inverted of the electricity we are use to..instead of radiating out(what we do now) this energy is implosive is the best word..and they are reciprocal.....Hence  the term "negative energy" doesn't mean it is negatively charged...means if the energy we use now is called positive energy...then the reciprocal of that is negative....well where I am going with this is here....This energy "eats" up solid state devices.....And loves resistance(not solid state R's, but actual resistance of say a constrictive wire)....We need to start getting back to analog components, as they can hold up very well......However, a really bright electrical engineer could put a barrier between the 2 energies(photon barrier of say opto-isolators). This is the direction I am headed in, so that is why I am not making more videos.....that test proved that the instantaneos change of a square/sawtooth wave makes a HUGE spike in energy that far surpasses input...once resonance is achieved the efficiency goes up even higher.....well I must get back to work..I hope I didn't ramble too much and some find this helpful.....later guys

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #108 on: October 11, 2007, 08:03:48 PM »
My theory:

Your experiment with the motor speeding up merely shows that the harmonic-rich spectrum of RF interference you create when sparking interferes with your power supply's regulation circuitry and causes the power supply output voltage to increase, thus speeding up the motor.  This is a very common phenomena in labs where RF work is done.  Until you disprove this theory (far more likely than obtaining mysterious free radiant energy), you have not shown anything anomalous.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #109 on: October 11, 2007, 08:36:01 PM »
Thanks to armagdn03 and RadiantEnRg for explanation.

Hmm, you said very fast ... the problem is that in theory you can create mathematical giants (delta impulse/dirac)
but in practice you are limited by reality  :(

look i understand what you are trying to show with your experiments and i think its good work!

The bemf or magnetic collapse is like a very good dirac impulse (~infinity high, ~zero time)
thats also the principle of the bedini motor, the magnet should only generate this dirac impulse
current is not desired ... but because of this easy to rebuild design its less efficient.

So i wish you all good luck in tapping into radiant energy.
Perhaps many people have seen it already and don't realized it...
 

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #110 on: October 11, 2007, 09:19:28 PM »
I think I will at this time elaborate a little better on the transverse / longitudinal structure and relationship between the two types of electrical energy and how energy can be actually created in the process.

As you know these longitudinal electric waves send energy foreward using compressed and decompressed "waves" while transverse electrical waves are the "rolling" sinusoidal waves we are all familiar with.

Here is the part that I have heard very few say, but holds TONS of weight, some may already know it, but others are probably hearing this for the first time and are gonna blow a few brain cells.

Excluding DC, how do you define the "size" of the energy you are reading in each wave? Or put another Way, how do you determine the maximum amount of energy characteristic of the wave? In our transverse rolling waves, this measurement is known as "amplitude". When you increase the volume of your stereo, you are not changing any characteristic of the wave other than its amplitude..... frequency, wavelength, all stay the same.

Now I'm going to take a step back and give a little background so that we can apply what we observed above to longitudinal waves.

Think of a capacitor. How does it work? what does the dielectric do? Well because quantum mechanics says that electrons are not really in one place at a time  (until measured  ;)) we cam see them as an electron cloud. Normally when we apply a potential across a sea of these clouds, they want to follow the direction of the field. This electron movement is our preception of electricity. In a capacitor, there is a positive plate and a negative plate. The electron clouds in the dielectric are not able to move only stretch (because it is a conductor). When the field is applied they stretch out storing energy, then when the capacitor is shorted they snap back to a more natural state and release the energy.

Knowing this we can take a look at longitudinal waves. They are the compression and decompression of the electron gas. NOT the movement of it! They are the stretching and unstreatching of the clouds of electrons just like in a capacitor!

Wow that explains alot! so if we were to try and use a really good conductor to send longitudinal waves what would happen? a potential or voltage is applied the electrons stretch a little and then begin to move. We have to stop the potential before movement of the electrons, which is why pulse duration is so important. This is why highly resistive elements work so well!!!! The electrons simply cannot move as well, so they are more responsive to staying in one place and changing shape, or stretching rather than moving to a different location.

So now that we know this, we want more power!!!! right? we crazy humans always want more....so how do we get more energy out of a longitudinal wave? we increase its amplitude....duh.

Bigger amplitude means we need to get the clouds to bunch up closer, and separate farther. the best way to do this is to squeeze and pull the electrons to deform as fast as we can, if we are too slow we get electron movement, which kills our source dipole (battery, power supply what ever) This is why high frequency, super sharp pulses are used. One great way to do this is a park gap. The plasma discharge of a spark gap is a really quick punch to the electron cloud and before the electron has time to move back from the punch, its taken away, so it gets compressed but not moved.
Kind of like being hit with a car..........if you get hit going 10 miles an hour, first you compress a little, because inertia doesn't want you to move, then you slide 2 -3 feet. This is how our circuits work now. But, what if you get hit by a car going 200 miles an hour, that the moment it hits you, retreats just as fast as it came. You would compress very much, maybe explode, but your body would not go far. This effect would be even better in water, where the water restricts your forward movement, just like how resistive materials increase the effect of our transverse waves.

Knowing this I would venture to say that its not just resistive materials that work best for transmission, it would be resistive materials that have very high permeability's, or constants K (known for capacitor design)

Hope this helps a few people out.


Also, I dint think that stray RF signals would mess with the power regulation of such a simple power supply, but to be sure could he not run the spark gap in a Faraday cage? also if this were the case, would the contacts from the brushes to the rotor being broken and reestablished during rotation not cause harmonic rich RF interference that would affect power supplies all the time? they dint seem to!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #111 on: October 11, 2007, 09:43:12 PM »
The electron clouds in the dielectric are not able to move only stretch (because it is a conductor).
The electron clouds in the dielectric are not able to move only stretch (because it is a not a conductor).

Typo

Earl

By the way, I like your above post, very good explanation.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #112 on: October 11, 2007, 10:05:59 PM »
thanks for pointing that out! that one could have definitly confused people!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #113 on: October 11, 2007, 10:35:06 PM »
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Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #114 on: October 11, 2007, 10:44:32 PM »
The doubts of Tissyburger about RF getting into the power supply is a good, valid point and can be best cleared up by using a battery.

In fact, FE experimenters should get in the habit of ONLY using batteries and NEVER using regulated power supplies.

One could say that the RF generated by the commutator would also confuse the regulated power supply, if it was that sensitive.  Would the arcing around or through a glass bead cause more RFI than a commutator?  Only the shadow knows.  Of course, if the glass bead is a negative resistor, it can very easily oscillate with whatever inductance and capacitance it can find.  Should this be the case, there might be several simultaneous oscillations going on all at the same time.  The RF spectrum might look just awful on a sprectrum analyzer. The motor commutator is modulating the negative resistance oscillator, which then modulates the [no more] regulated power supply, which then modulates the .........
By using a battery as a control check, the circuit complexity can be reduced and anomolies more easily identified, if still present.

Regards, Earl

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #115 on: October 11, 2007, 10:45:31 PM »
My theory:

Your experiment with the motor speeding up merely shows that the harmonic-rich spectrum of RF interference you create when sparking interferes with your power supply's regulation circuitry and causes the power supply output voltage to increase, thus speeding up the motor.  This is a very common phenomena in labs where RF work is done.  Until you disprove this theory (far more likely than obtaining mysterious free radiant energy), you have not shown anything anomalous.

Linda

Yes,it would be good, if user RadiantNRG could try his arcing bead speeding up his motor just
on a 12 Volt battery to see, that it is no effect from a jammed power
supply, which just might increase the voltage.


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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #116 on: October 11, 2007, 10:47:12 PM »
thanks for pointing that out! that one could have definitly confused people!

Best as author to go back, hit the modify button and change the text.  Then the confusion is permanently ended.

Earl

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #117 on: October 11, 2007, 11:24:18 PM »
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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #118 on: October 11, 2007, 11:53:11 PM »
@Argona369

I believe that Earl was referring to me.  He apparently believes Ashtweth's rather weird and unfounded accusations that I am "Humbugger" and "Hissyfitnihilism" now parading around "in drag". 

I speculate that the name "Tissyburger" is his childish way of combining the basic phonetic sounds of "Hissy" and "bugger".

I hope they get over the idea eventually, but if they want to think that I suppose that is their right.  I have been amazed at the childish rudeness certain folks express here in response to basic scientific inquiries about their various claims and representations.  Oh, well!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2007, 12:13:34 AM »
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