Author Topic: Circuit setups for pulse motors (Read 270431 times)

hoptoad · « **Reply #255 on:** October 26, 2007, 04:07:39 AM »

Quote from: Ren on October 26, 2007, 12:03:49 AM

@ tropes. I could be wrong but I believe Toad is talking about back emf and normal current flow. Every time you send current down a wire there is a reactive current that pushes the other way. Toads diagrams show various ways to harness this normally overlooked current and use it to charge another battery or cycle it back into the system. Once again, wait for someone to confirm this as it is only my understanding. Dont feel bad, I struggle to come to grips with most of what is written too, if it wasnt for the pictures I'd learn very little!!! lol

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Ren
I could be wrong but I believe Toad was talking about BEMF and the induced current caused by the magnet approaching the coil. You could be correct but my point is that the answer should come from the author.
Tropes

Hi guys. Sorry if things appear to be getting complicated.

I've tried to keep things simple as I can. $:-\$ Hope I haven't mislead any of you.

On page 6 I deliberately only talked about how the coils react to the pulsed supply current, but on page seven I am showing by way of arrows both the reaction to the supply current (with green arrows) and also whats happening with the Induced Current (Induced EMF- from the magnets - as shown by red arrows - )

Quote from page 7: "Group A will always take advantage of the pulsed supply, but it will only be influenced by the rotating magnets, when the current induced by the rotating magnets is in the same direction as that shown by the red arrow below winding B. This is because diode D1 only allows current through winding B in one direction. But Group B has a definite advantage as a generating coil because it will receive current from both directions induced by the magnets, shown by the red and green arrows below winding B, due to the full wave bridge, which allows this."

I hope it's not too confusing as I have deliberately kept the explanations to a minimum to avoid confusion.

But the best piece of information will come over the next few days when I talk about passive pick-up coils. This is where the Adams motor "Bends Lenz's Law"!

Cheers for now, happy motoring pulsars!

casman1969 · « **Reply #256 on:** October 27, 2007, 04:06:38 PM »

Here are the promissed pics.
Working with one drive and one pickup to maximize in/out put. You may noticed the shielding on half of the magnets (ran out of shield #&%*&^*&??.). I want to try 24 or 26 AWG on the pickups.
The 20 AWG I'm now using may be a bit much for this setup but will work with it for now. I like the splatter coil idea and will incorporate that later.

hoptoad · « **Reply #257 on:** October 29, 2007, 02:45:49 PM »

Hi all, I trust you've had a good week end.
I've had a very busy one.

I've finished writing up all the things I wanted to say about pulse motors.
Could have gone on forever but I won't. No time. I hope the info I've posted is useful to you
one way or another
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I also hope some of you take up the experiment challenge on page 10.

Am getting really busy at the moment. Won't have much time to scratch my as... $:-\$

I'll probably just lurk around for a while, dropping in from time to time to see what you all
have been getting up to.

Here's the latest from me at : http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html

Cheers and KneeDeep from the Toad who Hops

Ren · « **Reply #258 on:** October 29, 2007, 10:06:37 PM »

I want to personally thank you toadie on behalf of all visitors and regulars here for all your efforts and instructionals. I found your final page extremely interesting. You have inspired me to experiment with something like this, time and finances providing. I wish you all the best and hope we see you from time to time in here. Dont be a stranger!

hoptoad · « **Reply #259 on:** October 30, 2007, 05:24:20 AM »

Quote from: Ren on October 29, 2007, 10:06:37 PM

I want to personally thank you toadie on behalf of all visitors and regulars here for all your efforts and instructionals. I found your final page extremely interesting. It struck me how similar your dc pmm powered alternator is to this setup built by Bedini and Watson. They used a flywheel to keep inertial momentum and pulsed power to the dc pmm for some amazing results.

You have inspired me to experiment with something like this, time and finances providing. I wish you all the best and hope we see you from time to time in here. Dont be a stranger!

Gidday Ren, Hop the Toad who Hops says yeh! Go for it !. You will easily repeat the effect I described. Its always there, in an open system, but you just need a decent amount of "grunt", and the right, simple configuration, to expose it in an undeniable way.

As I stated, however, I don't believe this is O/U, but it is a pathway to simpler, more efficient systems of generation, because you are turning an ordinarily "bad", electrical vector into a "good" electrical vector. If you were driving the alternator with a petrol or diesel engine, the output characterics of an open system would deliver far move more value for money.

How does that vector change take place in an open system with no known contemporary reason? It's a BIG question.
I also have stated that I have an "Opinion", . This could only become "Theory" if it was proven to be correct by majority analysis.
I have not revealed my "Opinion" at this stage, because I do not want to influence the thinking of those who may do this experiment for themselves.
It will be nice to see what their untainted learning reveals to them. They will be looking with "Fresh" eyes at a subject which I have hit a brick wall!

Having just said that, I'll break my own rule, right now (LOL) and mention a point to ponder.

"Frequency" means everything. Very fast rotor speeds are dangerous! Higher frequency for the same RPM = more magnets!
Use smaller diameter magnets and cores and use 10, 12, 14 any even number of magnet and core pairs. A 4 pole alternator doubles frequency with 8 poles, 8 to 16 etc.

Good luck, and be careful! Speed kills!

KneeDeep, KneeDeep From the Toad who Hops

Nastrand2000 · « **Reply #260 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:20:54 PM »

I agree with hoptoad,
Frequency is everything, this is why I showed my motors running so slow. I was allowing the resonance of the bifilar coil to to charge a cap thru the feedback of the transistor. The transistor can switch rapidly. Tesla did not have these products available during his time, but if he did he would have made great use of them. In order to allow the full feed back of the coils we are using, rpm must be controlled precicly for the most output (not necessarily rpm, but firing of the coil) . I think this is what hoptoad is getting at.
Jason

p.s. Hoptoad correct me if I'm wrong.

Ren · « **Reply #261 on:** October 30, 2007, 09:35:06 PM »

my basic theory is similar to that Jase. I believe frequency is very important. More so, I think that making a certain coil of certain length and construction resonate at a certain frequency can have unusual results. I have read that batteries have a certain frequency, imagine if it was as simple as hitting a battery with a certain frequency that would make it recharge? That would be something.

Nastrand2000 · « **Reply #262 on:** October 31, 2007, 06:45:19 PM »

I believe you are correct Ren. When dealing with batteries, your dealing with several natural molecular and atomic resonance frequencies. There must be a corresponding harmonic to excite said molecules and atoms. When dealing with capacitors, your dealing with point charges, therefore every cap also has a corresponding resonance frequency. If you believe that string theory is the next step in explaining our physical universe, then one must also believe in virtual particle flux. That is particles exist and cease to exist within our dimension, coming and going. I believe that resonance may be able to harness this energy. A good person to study is Paul A. Dirac.
Jason

Ren · « **Reply #263 on:** November 02, 2007, 12:11:43 AM »

heres a pic of recent progress. Bedini circuit on three bifilar coils, one trigger three power. Adjustable rpm and amp draw via 1k pot. Two windings not being currently used. Rotor is hard drive 10mm cube neos n/s/n/s/n/s/n/s. experimenting with recharging via bedinis method and also off collector back to emitter. Both ways showing potential.

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0I2HtTu2Cs

b0rg13 · « **Reply #264 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:35:33 AM »

kool vid Ren

Ren · « **Reply #265 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:19:26 AM »

motors been running all day. Trying to condition car battery. Has risen from 12.30 to 12.65 so far. Run has dropped from 12.40 to 12.20

casman1969 · « **Reply #266 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:08:42 PM »

@ Ren nice work

So here's my mini beast with three Adams bifilar coils. It's running at approx. 180 rpm
Supply voltage is 24 (two 4.5AH UPS batteries). Bedini 2-transistor drive ckt. each trans powers two coils in series leaving two windings hooked in series with a FWB feeding charge battery.
Charge battery is a Marine deep cycle 115 AH. It's slowly charging and will start to add my pickup coil today.
Tried the hard drive platter with little to show for it except the experience. Will post when I have something interesting. Still want to try the splatter coils but will have to wait on more magnet wire.
By the way.., I angled the magnets and the coils for better firing and this helps with torque.

Ren · « **Reply #267 on:** November 02, 2007, 08:28:22 PM »

nice mate. Its hard to find the right hard drive bearings. Most (old ones especially) are press fit into the unit and arent easily removed. VCR's have awesome spools in them which have excellent bearings, my next mini will be made on one of these. Got 1 kilo of wire delivered today, if anyone has any bright ideas on how to braid/twist 3 wires @ 300 feet let me know

casman1969 · « **Reply #268 on:** November 06, 2007, 03:23:07 PM »

Bearings, Arrggghhh...

The bane of my experimenting continues to haunt. Good news though. With the two transistor Bedini drive ckt I've been watching input and output current readings and they appear almost equal. Here's the problem. With the BEMF fed back from both trannies it slows the motor down substantially and we still have to deal with the .6V loss from the diodes??? Motor will spin for a veerrryy long time but so what! Sure wish I could overcome that loss from the diodes but alas, that IS why we try. Pretty much had it with the beast and have ordered a couple of 20" Plastic bicycle wheels w/bearings in the hope I can overcome some of my frictional losses. Two Adams style drive coils and one charge coil gives me much to work with. Feel like I'm close to overcoming most of the losses and will march on.

hoptoad · « **Reply #269 on:** November 13, 2007, 01:10:42 AM »

Hi All,

I hope those motors of yours are still humming away nicely. Ren I just wanted to thank you again for sending me the DVD of Bedini.
There wasn't really any new ground covered in the video that I haven't read about or personally experimented with before, but it was still a very interesting video to watch. Wow, what wouldn't I have given for a workshop like Bedini's. All my years of experimenting were carried out in the smallest of sheds, with the minimal amount of funding and limited access to machinery of any kind.

Bedinis workshop made me slather and froth at the mouth. LOL

Hows that mammoth coil you've been winding? Ready to ionize the world with a massive bemf spike?! LOL

Also Tropes, hows your sotropa experiments coming along. The last posting you showed some well machined parts ready for your next round of experiments. How's it all going?

Cheers all from the Toad who Hops

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