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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1530 on: August 13, 2009, 02:30:55 PM »
Then this effect SM discovered was nothing more then what Tesla found previously ??? Tube filament acting as coil  with loose coupling to what ?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1531 on: October 11, 2009, 06:53:35 PM »
how it could work... pic

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1532 on: October 11, 2009, 06:55:25 PM »
Hi!
Otto I am interested in your work (TPU). At this moment I’m trying to make my own but a bit different.
My point of view is a bit different than yours. I think Mr. M.S.  gave us some hints but trying to cover “his invention” (it is his but he didn’t discovered this effect!!!) gave us taste of fake…
Let’s start:

1) Probably your  ECD does not need 3 sections. Try to do just ONE section but covering the whole mobius ring.
Two coils. One is control coil (CC) connected to PS and controlled by transistor/transistors.
To make this coil You should use fine wire.
 2nd coil is feed back coil (FB) from collector. Powering mobius again and again.
It works just like yours but using only one section instead of three.

2) 3 freqs is a mistake!!! Probably is enough to use 2 freq or… just one proper sequence…
How to find 1st freq? Easily!
Connect CC to scope and apply freq to transistor. For the best result use PWM for it. What You have to find is just the critical time when your CC is ON and you can see your sweet point on scope. If time is too short  You will not be able to see your sweet point!!! This sweet point has not been created in collector!!! This sweet point is being created on/by the CC!!!
Add +10% to this time. Temperature of collector will change.
2nd freq is the same as 1st freq but has to occur with right delay according to 1st freq and with PWM ratio.
The same effect  You can get by:
- using 2 freq with proper delay (when f1= f2) and proper PWM ratio
- or using proper sequence.
1st freq is just pumping energy to CC. 2nd freq works like…spark gap! I know it seems a bit crazy., but it makes short circuit on coil when peak is at his highest.
Rising edge of  2nd freq has to happen when your response from CC, or collector, is close to maximum.
It works like ZPOD (find handout.pdf on INTALEK). Coils getting cold. Something  familiar?

3)The most important thing! MS used inside his TPU two coils… I am pretty sure that it is separated devices. Why?
- He used to start running one/two small magnets
- There are two coils
- Please check it out and find similar things:
Daniel McFarland - October 10, 1871!!! (US patent 119,825)
Nicola Tesla -  summer of 1931 electric car Pierce-Arrow “…two thick rods protruded approximately 10cm from the converter housing. Tesla pushed them in saying "Now we have power”…”
Floyd Sweet – your otto_ronette_TPU_ECD-V1_0.pdf on page 15.
Ed Leedskalnin – his holder (Emery coil; thetpu.pdf; page 10; I do not remember source but I have this file on my PC. If You need I can send You)
On Youtube  - a one or two similar solution with 2 rods.

4) Just play with 2freq, delay between them and ratio (PWM). Nearly all of electronic equipment use feedback…Why we didn’t?!

5) Why it is fake? Maybe two internal coil are our key to run this device. Maybe mobius is just kind of regulator/ transformer for it…

I am just starting to build my own TPU and probably it will tame me some time but if You’re willing to confirm my theory and add your experience I’ll be glad to help You as much as I can!

Greetings for Otto/Ronette/JasonO/ Wattsup

Regards
Adam & Nuno

P.S.  Sorry for our english


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1533 on: October 13, 2009, 09:47:27 PM »
MRD10,
Could you supply a schematic on the circuit you have, the pictures don't explain alot and there alot of bogus information to wade through before getting to the viable stuff.
I would like to replicate your circuit using a mobius or Rodin toroid design, perhaps this will accelerate the design phase.

Questions:
Do you use a mixing console to introduce the multi-waves or use two signal generators?
What kind of cable are you using?
What are the wire gauges used?
I have a zillion questions I would like to ask but proper documentation would be a great help.

Some thoughts:
Although the screen may work for an RF shield, scalar waves pass through everything. It would be wise to Rf screen the entire device with a solid ground connection(just to keep the FCC at bay) and a friendly distance from the device under test.
If you are feeding back to the PS, use a depleted car battery as the PS to see if it recharges. Be cautious car batteries will explode like hand grenades if unregulated.

K

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1534 on: October 15, 2009, 08:23:02 AM »
Hello all,

@sfieszaq

sorry not to respond earlier but I didnt notice your post.

1. I agree that the controls have to cover all the mobius. Wound "all around"....said SM.

2. Im all the years working with 2 frequencies and they are OK.
First, if you can "translate" me the term "sweet point". Hmmm....is this working on all frequencies or....
yes, I already see that the 2. frequency somehow "shorts" the coil and the result is a voltage and current peak that blows everything connected: the coils, the scope, power supply, oscillators...

I would say this is the "positive runaway". I gave this name because the current and voltage rises to an "endless" value or better said until everything is blown. Im talking about 2 vibrated signals. Not oridinary pulsed coils. Its clear that at such a runaway the bulb shows no light, no energy to say so. This means that a positive runaway is good for blowing your equipment, nothing more.

On the other hand I saw when the coils vibrated, that there is just 1 frequency where the current dropps at a low vibration. I mean, every single collapse causes a current drop not a current rise like with the positive runaway. So, my conclusion is that there is also a "negative runaway". This happens when 2 or 3 frequencies meets at say 5 or 6Khz. Of course; im talking about the vibration frequency of 5 or 6kHz but the original input frequency is much higher. 1 is around 200kHz the other or others are to discover. Yeees, Bruce _TPU gaves us the secret frequencies, I know that but what if a collector is a little bit longer or shorter? Ferquency = circumference of collector!!! I tried to change the lenght of the collector, made a lot of tests, yes, the lenght is important.

So, Im now somehow tuning my oscillators to get 2 vibrational frequencies that can meet at 5 or 6kHz but trust me, its a f...g job because every morning I have another situation when I try to tune my oscillators: the day before everything is working just fine and as in the night the air is wet the conditions in the oscillator changes...a lot to "invent".

Otto

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« Reply #1535 on: October 23, 2009, 12:58:45 AM »
Hi guys!

Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.

DESCRIPTION

The principle is simple. Two types of load current (inductive and capacitive) do not disturb vibration of magnetic field inside core.
Because of this you can connect any number of such pairs of coils.

I do advice you to disassemble impulse transformer, replace core by Hall detector, connect it to oscilloscope and you will start to understand reality of the happening processes.


Here is magic schema.
L1 is inductor - primary winding
L2 - is ordinary solenoid which should be loaded only together with L3L4 (bifilar coil)

It is possible to use schema of parallel load - I have chosen this schema.
Connection of bifilar is not a mistake!
With this connection bifilar produces capacitive current (light diode is not lit, but ordinary filament bulb - does).
Main point is that solenoid and bifilar provide opposite influence on power supply. I investigated this schema on frequency of 700 kilo Hertz (bifilar resonance).
Two-ray oscilloscope (on primary winding) showed that current phase was approximately 1/4 of period ahead of voltage phase (probably parasitic capacity of the coil).
When I loaded solenoid - phase difference has increased. After that I added load to bifilar - phase difference decreased (cos phi stabilized).
Therefore by choosing right regime it is possible to leave cos phi intact (same as in idle mode).
Therefore it is possible to add unlimited number of such pairs of coils to magnetic circuit - they do not influence the circuit and mutually cancel each other.
To maximize COP input circuit should operate on resonant frequency of the bifilar-solenoid circuit (serial load).
It is also possible to use capacitor tape from non-polar capacitors (in a form as is) and get inductive current from the tape. In this case this current field will be enclosed in between tape plates.
Now I am busy creating test setup for 10 watt. The principle is confirmed on practice by me.

You should wind large coils and spend substantial amount of effort on fine tuning. All materials are ordinary but coil core is ferrite. Preferably with higher frequency.
Core material does not relate to the effect but as a magnetic circuit it should correspond to required frequency.
Bifilar coil should have larger number of winds (to have larger capacitance).
Solenoid is better to wind with litz wire or with thick wire with step to ensure higher Q.
Mutual position of coils and coil winding direction are also important. In short - circuit tuning will take about a week.

To find resonant frequency of bifilar coil you should:
1) connect load as drawn on schema
2) connect primary winding to broadband generator up to 10MHz THROUGH filament bulb (do not connect bulb to circuit yet)
3) and tune generator frequency until maximum brightness of the bulb

The circuit is quite complex to tuneup so it is not suitable for young amateurs.
And remember about mutual orientation and winding direction of coils! It is very important but I cannot tell you exactly what I use - I wound my bifilar coil quite a while ago and just use it since then.
Using capacitor tape imposes additional difficulties. It will have longitudinal component of voltage. So to draw current you will need to connect "start" and "end" from different sides of the foil width.
I advice you to start assembly from bifilar coil instead of capacitor tape.



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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1536 on: October 23, 2009, 02:30:56 AM »
Hi guys!

Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.

DESCRIPTION

The principle is simple. Two types of load current (inductive and capacitive) do not disturb vibration of magnetic field inside core.
Because of this you can connect any number of such pairs of coils.

I do advice you to disassemble impulse transformer, replace core by Hall detector, connect it to oscilloscope and you will start to understand reality of the happening processes.


Here is magic schema.
L1 is inductor - primary winding
L2 - is ordinary solenoid which should be loaded only together with L3L4 (bifilar coil)

It is possible to use schema of parallel load - I have chosen this schema.
Connection of bifilar is not a mistake!
With this connection bifilar produces capacitive current (light diode is not lit, but ordinary filament bulb - does).
Main point is that solenoid and bifilar provide opposite influence on power supply. I investigated this schema on frequency of 700 kilo Hertz (bifilar resonance).
Two-ray oscilloscope (on primary winding) showed that current phase was approximately 1/4 of period ahead of voltage phase (probably parasitic capacity of the coil).
When I loaded solenoid - phase difference has increased. After that I added load to bifilar - phase difference decreased (cos phi stabilized).
Therefore by choosing right regime it is possible to leave cos phi intact (same as in idle mode).
Therefore it is possible to add unlimited number of such pairs of coils to magnetic circuit - they do not influence the circuit and mutually cancel each other.
To maximize COP input circuit should operate on resonant frequency of the bifilar-solenoid circuit (serial load).
It is also possible to use capacitor tape from non-polar capacitors (in a form as is) and get inductive current from the tape. In this case this current field will be enclosed in between tape plates.
Now I am busy creating test setup for 10 watt. The principle is confirmed on practice by me.

You should wind large coils and spend substantial amount of effort on fine tuning. All materials are ordinary but coil core is ferrite. Preferably with higher frequency.
Core material does not relate to the effect but as a magnetic circuit it should correspond to required frequency.
Bifilar coil should have larger number of winds (to have larger capacitance).
Solenoid is better to wind with litz wire or with thick wire with step to ensure higher Q.
Mutual position of coils and coil winding direction are also important. In short - circuit tuning will take about a week.

To find resonant frequency of bifilar coil you should:
1) connect load as drawn on schema
2) connect primary winding to broadband generator up to 10MHz THROUGH filament bulb (do not connect bulb to circuit yet)
3) and tune generator frequency until maximum brightness of the bulb

The circuit is quite complex to tuneup so it is not suitable for young amateurs.
And remember about mutual orientation and winding direction of coils! It is very important but I cannot tell you exactly what I use - I wound my bifilar coil quite a while ago and just use it since then.
Using capacitor tape imposes additional difficulties. It will have longitudinal component of voltage. So to draw current you will need to connect "start" and "end" from different sides of the foil width.
I advice you to start assembly from bifilar coil instead of capacitor tape.

Thanks for posting this. I´ve read it twice, I like the sound of this!

When scoping the primary winding for power factor, what type of resistor did you use for a current shunt?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1537 on: October 23, 2009, 02:43:17 AM »
Thanks for posting this. I´ve read it twice, I like the sound of this!

When scoping the primary winding for power factor, what type of resistor did you use for a current shunt?

I am very sorry - I am just translator. I cannot answer any questions. If I see additional information from author - I will post. At the moment author is not very generous on details.

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« Reply #1538 on: October 23, 2009, 02:55:30 AM »
I am very sorry - I am just translator. I cannot answer any questions. If I see additional information from author - I will post. At the moment author is not very generous on details.

Well thanks VERY much for translating this!

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« Reply #1539 on: November 07, 2009, 11:33:32 AM »
Hello everybody!

Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.

Could you please give us a reference to the original document you've translated and/or some information on where did you find it. I'll try to extract some more facts from it according to my knowledge of russian language and physics.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1540 on: November 07, 2009, 04:39:35 PM »
Interresting post by I_am

could it be ?

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« Reply #1541 on: November 07, 2009, 11:57:47 PM »
Hi guys!

Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.


see attached:

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1542 on: November 08, 2009, 12:53:21 AM »
@ Grumpy, interesting pdf but
I dont see the o/c dc bifilar bucking tuned output on a common core in the pdf .
How are they related?


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« Reply #1543 on: November 08, 2009, 01:02:55 AM »
nice pdf ...


i have already built better public ...  :)

ist!


try all wires same length all the way around the ring power 1 and block colapse in core harvest from all others ...

 ;)

on the on cycle being that all wires are equal length gage and mass they transfer through resosnance mass tuneing meaning power 1 all get power on on cycle .. colpase the power source and DO NOT ALLOW TO BACK FLOW ELECTRICAL ...   TO THE SWITCH .. meaning use pnp and a diode  so out it goes ...all the wires to all the bridges then into the cap ..

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« Reply #1544 on: November 08, 2009, 01:21:37 AM »
     Does a torroidal transformer see a change in the magnetic permeability of the core material due to secondary current draw.  Is it possible to choke off primary current while still being able to draw secondary current from the same magnetizing event.  If the magnetic information is passed through a precession of the magnetic dipole moments of the core material this would take time.  The core material choking the input frequency while initializing a magnetic radiation through the core material.  The magnetic pulse TRAVELING through the ring arrives at the secondary well after the input pulse.  Does it's thing the emf is stored in a capacitor all set for another choked input pulse.  Never bothered the core material in that portion of the ring under the influence of the primary.  Input current is totally choked output current and voltage in the seconary in unity with a power factor of 1.  Pulse rest rest rest Pulse rest rest rest Pulse.  Won't happen with a sinsuoidal input.