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Author Topic: Successful TPU-ECD replication !  (Read 1147919 times)

Prooksius

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1515 on: August 12, 2009, 10:50:29 AM »
Quote from: rotaryfcg on August 12, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
why not just use multi stranded(litz-) wire where each strand is insulated?
Because in this case anyway a lot of heat will be produced and not being removed from the wire
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1516 on: August 12, 2009, 01:32:32 PM »
Quote from: Prooksius on August 12, 2009, 10:50:29 AM
Because in this case anyway a lot of heat will be produced and not being removed from the wire
anyway we're diverging from the real problem here and that would be how to make that thing hot in the first place. give me a working unit, i'll handle the heat somehow
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1517 on: August 12, 2009, 03:05:11 PM »
@proksius

is you  are new here  how you have made conclutions  for that 
tpu
YOU LIKE TO HELP THAT IS OK  but  whay do you tell as  how to byld this this setup

YOU LIKE TO SAY THAT WHATHER WHILL BE SPIN THAT IS TRUE BUT  TO TRANSPORT ELKTROMAGNET FILD  IN ITS SEFL  AND  MAKE SPIN  AND PRODUCED    DC VOLTAGE  IN  TO THE OUT COIL

but i like to point and  say  <words what s.m say>
NO MOVING PARTS 
 
WHAT YOU THING  IF I SAY THAT IM ABLE TO SPIN NO WHATHER  <
ONLY ELKTROMAGNET FILD  AUROND COIL
WHIT NO MOVING PARTS
THE POINT THAT  I SAY THAT IF I MADE TO SPIN ONLY ELKTROMAGNET FILD   TO MANY TIMES  ONLY IN ONE SECOND

SIMPLE TRANSFORMER IS SPIN ELKTROMAGNET FILD  ONLY ONE TURN  <WHIT DONT MATHERE WHAT   WHILL  BE FREK.THERE>
like this one hz  1000 spin moving elktromagnet fild  in ather out coil
 
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Grumpy

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1518 on: August 12, 2009, 03:29:28 PM »
Quote from: rotaryfcg on August 12, 2009, 01:32:32 PM
anyway we're diverging from the real problem here and that would be how to make that thing hot in the first place. give me a working unit, i'll handle the heat somehow

Induction heating works better with ferromagnetic materials than copper or aluminum:

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An induction cooker uses a type of induction heating for cooking. A coil of copper wire is placed underneath the cooking pot. An oscillating current is applied to this coil, which produces an oscillating magnetic field. This magnetic field creates heat in two different ways. It induces a current in an electrically conductive pot, which produces Joule (I2R) heat. It also creates magnetic hysteresis losses in a ferromagnetic pot. The former effect dominates; hysteresis losses typically account for less than ten percent of the total heat generated.[1]

It would be possible to build an induction cooker that worked with any conductive pot (for example, an aluminum or copper pot), whether or not the pot was ferromagnetic. But the increased permeability of an iron or steel pot makes the system more practical, by increasing the inductance seen at the drive coil and by decreasing the skin depth of the current in the pot, which increases the AC resistance for the I2R heating. [2] Most practical induction cookers are designed for ferromagnetic pots; consumers are generally advised that the cooker will work only with pots that will stick to a magnet. It would not be possible to build an induction cooker that worked with an electrically insulating (for example, glass or ceramic) pot under any conditions.

Probably some iron or steel involved (some have claimed intimate knowledge of the device and stated that iron delay coils were used and they are heated by eddy currents), or the current in the collector/load circuit is to great for the size of wire used.

Don't eddy currents require a changing magnetic field?
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sparks

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1519 on: August 12, 2009, 03:32:39 PM »
@Rotary

 This much heat?   :o   If each turn in the core copper is like a specific diameter of a unipolar generator then wouldn't there exist a voltage between the outer coils and the inner coils.  If the magnetic field is then sequentially compressed so as to mimic the rotation of the unipolar generator the tpu becomes a motionless electrical generator.  The magnetic field is not going to compress itself but perhaps a virtual spinning magnetic field will create a vortex magnetic field and create some relativity to a weak magnetic field generated by Earth's magnetichydrodynamics.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2009, 04:02:19 PM by sparks »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1520 on: August 12, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »
Quote from: sparks on August 11, 2009, 02:56:10 PM
More like squeezing a hoola hoop.  With the phasing of the squeeze at different points around the hoop we start to get like a moving magnetic field compression within the core.

Quote from: rotaryfcg on August 11, 2009, 08:36:15 AM
could it be a lot easier than that?could it be like cyclically compressing the flux that surround the conductive core(copper or not)?

could these pulses perform this feat?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7377.msg189450#msg189450
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1521 on: August 12, 2009, 04:26:40 PM »
The pulses I would imagine would have to be such that they result in maximum compression without oversaturation.  Then there still remains the problem of capacitance.  The compressing coils would have to be tuned for both inductance and capacitance so that maximum core compression results without loosing energy coupling capacitively to the field.

Otto noted something interesting way back that the currents inside the collector windings would induce a magnetic field that ultimately would create a counteremf to oppose the input voltage.  With such a high ramp and short duty the pulse is long gone before any counteremf is generated by the load current.  So now your getting around lenz. With the counteremf with nothing to do but create eddy currents is it any wonder that the unit overheats.
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1522 on: August 12, 2009, 04:30:17 PM »
My question is :

assume you have created nice rotating magnetic field around Tesla like ring transformer, then you find a wav to create kicks

DO KICKS ROTATE WITH MAGNETIC FIELD ?
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giantkiller

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1523 on: August 12, 2009, 05:28:06 PM »
Do faster, shorter waves travel across a slower moving brook? Why, yes, they do. Can you temporarily stop the flow of a brook by dropping a larger rock in the middle? Why, yes, you can. We have all played in the creek before and noticed these things.

Time to take a second look.

I can put this another way. The first time I saw a live mass coronal ejection I noticed the span of 4 million miles took 20 seconds to leap. I saw fast fire. Amazing. But how can fire travel at that speed? It can't. What we see is the magnetic field already established burning in place. The fire doesn't travel that far from the sun but burns at the place when the magnetic field interfacing enters into a visible range. Think about that. The 'electric universe' youtube shows the suns fire going down into a sun spot. The center of the sun has no visible premise to us. It seems entirely magnetic like a black hole with a spherical boundary encompassing it, what we call the sun. In the TPU we could call that current. Doesn't current get hot? Probably just the incorrect interfacing...

Quote from: forest on August 12, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
My question is :

assume you have created nice rotating magnetic field around Tesla like ring transformer, then you find a wav to create kicks

DO KICKS ROTATE WITH MAGNETIC FIELD ?
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Grumpy

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1524 on: August 12, 2009, 06:52:21 PM »
Quote from: giantkiller on August 12, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
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Doesn't current get hot?
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The general consensus is that the friction of the electrons causes the heat - more current = more heat.

a current that does not involve "particle friction" might not produce heat
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sparks

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1525 on: August 12, 2009, 09:39:48 PM »
    Resistance to conventional current flow is created by lack of charge carriers.  The charge carriers available accelerate across the field gradient and pickup inertia which is shed when they collide with less accelerated mass.  This is not a good thing for an efficient circuit.  Two things can be done to rectify the situation.  Supply more charge carriers or make sure the charge carriers don't randomly collide with other mass.  Now in a vacuum tube plasma or supercooled atomic lattice it's possible.  On a coil sitting on a bench it's damn near impossible.  Now if we can move charge without moving mass that would be pretty cold electricty.
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Prooksius

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1526 on: August 12, 2009, 09:46:22 PM »
Hello.

Have noticed that you are using (or have used) MOSFETs as a switch. But they are very vulnerable (static electricity for instance).
What about trying to use thyristor or even a TRIAC (or TRIode for Alternating Current). These are far more powerful than MOSFETs.
Some info about them:
TRIAC
Thyristor
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1527 on: August 12, 2009, 10:21:30 PM »
SM said that TPU output is DC with hash. I think that DC is produced by a lot of kicks, current kicks.What is then hash ?
Another tip give me another idea - normally kicks are nothing even when there are plenty of them - it's nothing more then noise.Why ?
They are voltage spikes !

So Why they are voltage spikes?  and What can convert voltage spikes into current kicks ? Here is the mystery ...

Maybe rotating magnetic field can do it ? What if voltage spikes are only spikes because they are randomly placed. I bet you saw a noise - spikes never come in pair, one is gone then later on the same place another is created. They never met each other.

But SM said THEY CAN DO IT. They CAN create big current spike.Somehow , sometimes,somewhere...



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sparks

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1528 on: August 12, 2009, 10:40:39 PM »
Sm discovered kicks when he was feeding a couple of vacuum tube filament circuits and the reluctance of the transformerers used was different.  The two transformers fed with a common voltage scource develop a voltage between the two ouputs of the transfos due to the reactance of the transfo cores.  This could be a very hf kick and since the current from transfo to transfo is still going to be used in the load at either tube the kick is for free.
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rotaryfcg

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1529 on: August 13, 2009, 07:58:04 AM »
Quote from: sparks on August 12, 2009, 10:40:39 PM
Sm discovered kicks when he was feeding a couple of vacuum tube filament circuits and the reluctance of the transformerers used was different.  The two transformers fed with a common voltage scource develop a voltage between the two ouputs of the transfos due to the reactance of the transfo cores.  This could be a very hf kick and since the current from transfo to transfo is still going to be used in the load at either tube the kick is for free.
as far as i know some tube filaments are not straight wire but more like coils
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