Author Topic: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now (Read 343084 times)

kinggeorge · « **Reply #135 on:** September 03, 2007, 04:42:16 AM »

Stefan
I would not tie it to any fixed Wattage, or that unit has to produce Electric power. I would tie it to it doing the work of a powered home appliance. As a example a small Electric Fan. The losses in domain changes are high, so lets say you have a Real Magnetic only Powered Motor, let it stay mechanical and run a FAN et, equal to something you would buy. In my case it is not a FAN but does stay in mechanical domain and replaces AC powered units that draw about a 1/2 to 4 watts of power and run 24 hours a day.

I have a theory, different from the Father of this concept, which by the way is on your site. If It does self run I think it will prove a mechanical form of "Break-Out Energy" (See my post on OU theory forum).

Again what I feel is important is changing the Mind Set of the average person to accept and even demand OU products for the Good of the Planet.

A good hint these are life support so everyone that has one, would love not to worry about AC power outage. That's why I think that they would sell like Hot cakes, not to save money, but to just run all by them self's, till parts wear out.

As to my view on Alternate Energy for real deployment, it is a simple one. Do not try to replace the power Grid for now, full Solar is out of cost range for most, but a Solar Hot water heater is not. If you could just run your Air Conditioner on Solar during the Day light and store energy as a cold house et. If someone could offer a Room AC with build in ZPE power source, every one would buy one. No wiring, no safety issues it just runs, same for FAN or water pump et. Soon we would have very little on the Grid.

George King georgeking@cosmicsalamander.com

shruggedatlas · « **Reply #136 on:** September 03, 2007, 06:15:21 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 02:44:08 AM

Randi does not have the money to pay this at all and the guy is a fake.
He is a typical: "I know it better"-guy.....

I disagree. From what I have read on independent sources, the million dollars is held in negotiable bonds at Goldman Sachs. The money is there. And if he is a fake, just prove him wrong and take his million. If he does not pay up, you can sue him and win easily.

Furthermore, I have read the application - it is very straightforward. The applicant gets to design the test and to determine what would constitute success and what would constitute failure. If you read his boards, his people will of course evaluate the proposed test and request modifications if the test of success versus failure is too vague, but for the most part, the applicant gets to control his own test. True, no one has ever passed the preliminary tests, but someone here can always be the first.

The most common criticism I have heard of James Randi is that his challenge is self promotion. Well, of course it is. However, so is "Who Wants to be a Millionaire." That does not mean that the game is rigged or fake. And the best part is, you can just take his money and shut him up, if you have the goods.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #137 on:** September 03, 2007, 06:29:34 AM »

Quote from: shruggedatlas on September 03, 2007, 06:15:21 AM

The most common criticism I have heard of James Randi is that his challenge is self promotion.
Well, of course it is.

You are absolutely right.

But what is the catch ?
If you want to get the 1 Million dollars, what contract do you have to sign then

They probably get all the rights onto your invention and might lock it up in a safe...

hartiberlin · « **Reply #138 on:** September 03, 2007, 06:39:25 AM »

Quote from: kinggeorge on September 03, 2007, 04:42:16 AM

In my case it is not a FAN but does stay in mechanical domain and replaces AC powered units that draw about a 1/2 to 4 watts of power and run 24 hours a day.

Hi George,
can you please be more specific or is this still a secret ?
Surely a pure mechanically overunity device like
a pure magnet motor running a fan would also be
a candidate for the overunity prize,
but how should we then define exactly the amount of power
it should produce ?

Just a wheel that overcomes its own friction but is
not able to spin any load like a fan rotor would
also not be very helpful.

It must not be electrical output.
It can also be just mechanical rotor energy,
but then it would need at least some amout of torque
on its axis to power a mechanical load like a fan rotor
or water pump or a drill or a bicycle motor
or something simular...
So how much mechanical power are we talking about here
and what should be the threshold level ?
At least if it could get scaled up later, we could
couple it with an alternator and generate electric energy with it...

Regards, Stefan.

kinggeorge · « **Reply #139 on:** September 03, 2007, 07:04:02 AM »

Again I would say that any device that (self runs once started) and does the work of a normal product that anyone could buy around town. If a FAN it should move x cubic feet per minute of air like store bought one.

As for my efforts, I want to first prove OU feedback and its useful work is a by produck of my feedback approch. Just for fun I have told you what applance it replaces. If you compare energy and useage statements. Please if you figure it out write me direct, as I would like to be the first for this application.

Nemesiswes · « **Reply #140 on:** September 03, 2007, 07:19:24 AM »

Hey I have a design for a overunity device, I have been working on it for about three years and now all i want from it if it where to work is some money so i dont have to work,lol, and recognition for the one making it and so far i have showed it looks very very plausibe and yet so simple, I am only 17 and no job and high school, so that's why i havent been able to build but how would I be able to protect it if i did put it on here for the world to see so that somebody doesnt steal it.

P.S I really really want to put it on here NOW but i'm afraid all that hard work could go to waste by having someone with money patent it and then take credit for it. any help would be really great

hartiberlin · « **Reply #141 on:** September 03, 2007, 07:59:04 AM »

@Nemesiswes and @kinggeorge and All,
the design must be posted prior to shipping the 3 prototype units to this category:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,77.0.html
as a new thread with best a ZIP file containing all the building instructions
and a parts list.
So everyone will know, that you are the inventor and this way it is already all
put out into the open source public domain, so nobody else can steal it or
patent it.
Then you need to ship the 3 prototype units and other people can already build
them for themself and also will report , how their independant replications will
work all over the world.

After we have tested the 3 prototypes and a positive test is the result
you will be anounced as the winner of the prize
and we will spread this all over the world with "spamming"
the news services and news releases, etc....

We will then ask all hobbyist who are participating in this forum
to build their own devices from it then ask them to donate
some money to the inventor, so he can still collect more money.
As the inventor will thus get very famous very soon he will
be featured all over the world in all TV stations and
advertisement contracts etc... can follow up.,
so he can make a lot of money without needing any patent
or any license models...

Also we can ask, that every person, who saves money
through this invention should donate at least one
month of his utility bill to the inventor, if the invention enables
him to get of the grid or saves him money on a monthly basis...

Thus money for the inventor will flow for many years to come,
all without any patents...
Much easier...!

So, who is the first one, who will publish his real overunity design ?
Good luck !
Best regards, Stefan.

shruggedatlas · « **Reply #142 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:10:52 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 06:29:34 AM

Quote from: shruggedatlas on September 03, 2007, 06:15:21 AM

The most common criticism I have heard of James Randi is that his challenge is self promotion.
Well, of course it is.

You are absolutely right.

But what is the catch ?
If you want to get the 1 Million dollars, what contract do you have to sign then
They probably get all the rights onto your invention and might lock it up in a safe...

The catch is you have to demonstrate something in violation to the known laws of physics, which is very very very (did I say "very'?) hard to do, which is why no one has been able to do it. There is nothing in the application that says JREF gets any rights to anything you do. Bear in mind that the challenge is really aimed at the practitioners of the paranormal, such as psychics, telekinesists, et al., and so the concept of claiming rights to something like that is just inapplicable, and I doubt the thought has even crossed anyone's mind. I am just proposing that the challenge will probably be accepted against a perpetual motion machine, because if valid, it would certainly defy the known laws of physics. (You would make the claim "I can extract energy from thin air with the use of this device, which does not use any additional fuel, can run 24/7 endlessly, and so forth and so on. . . ")

Harti, I hold the highest opinion of you, since you have put in all the hard work to keep these boards running, but I think you have been reading too many of the conspiracy theory, "CIA and Big Oil are out to get me" posts.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #143 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:13:49 AM »

Maybe we should define some categories
for different devices,
like:
1. pure mechanical devices like pure permanent magnet motors which put out pure mechanical power
2. solid state electronic devices which put out pure electric power output only
3.mixed mechanical and electronic devices like battery charging overunity pulse motors,
which put out mechanical power and electrical power...

So maybe we can then define a threshold level of output power and production
costs that these devices should fullfill to be able to get the OverUnity prize money ?

What would you suggest ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Humbugger · « **Reply #144 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:17:40 AM »

@Stefan

At one time I recall you said the rules for winning the prize would be set forth in a pdf document. It seems the prize has kept climbing and that is good, but every other post seems to involve a new suggestion or consideration for the rules.

I am interested in contributing to the prize fund but only if the rules are well defined and finalized and published in one document and openly made available to all participants and contributors. Right now it doesn't seem like that is the case and we have a moving target with bits and pieces spread over this thread and further discussion of changes every day.

Do you still have a plan to solidify the rules and publish them in a pdf?

Maybe it is too soon yet and the issues need more discussion? Seems still very fluid in definition...a dangerous situation for any of us offering to contribute prize money or considering it! I have already pointed out one big loophole which you have agreed with and corrected. It's not easy to come up with a fair set of rules, I know. Especially one that pleases everyone yet is still tough enough to avoid giving the prize away for nothing really useful.

I would hate to promise a nice contribution and then have to withdraw it if the rules were changed later or to lose my money because of a legal challenge due to badly-defined rules! What do you think?

Humbugger

Nemesiswes · « **Reply #145 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:22:22 AM »

well if i have no money and i post it( Everything, design, workins ect.) , then say someone does build one and it works before i am even able to build it, so if someone on the boards did build it and said it worked and you still havent been sent one yet then what, i still have to build it , cause I have very limited resources, sorry. but if someone did or maybe a couple built it and proved it worked then would i get the prize or would me and the others who would have proved it split the prize and the fame or whatever else or just the prize money.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #146 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:41:57 AM »

Humbugger,
you are absolutely right.
I have to fix the rules in a PDF document, so everybody knows the rules
and can accept them or not.
So everybody can make up his mind if he will donate some money
or on the other side, if an inventor will apply for it or will
market his invention elsewhere...

Please give me 1 or 2 days time.
I had to do too much programming work during the last days, so
I did not have time to rethink it all in every detail.

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #147 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:50:57 AM »

Quote from: Nemesiswes on September 03, 2007, 08:22:22 AM

well if i have no money and i post it( Everything, design, workins ect.) , then say someone does build one and it works before i am even able to build it, so if someone on the boards did build it and said it worked and you still havent been sent one yet then what, i still have to build it , cause I have very limited resources, sorry. but if someone did or maybe a couple built it and proved it worked then would i get the prize or would me and the others who would have proved it split the prize and the fame or whatever else or just the prize money.

Nemesiswes,
very good point !
But without at least one prototype you will never know, if it really works...
I guess you as the inventor should get the fame for having had the idea.

So maybe we can change the rules a bit, that if only one prototype is available,
you will first publish your idea fully, then ship the one prototype to me
and the first 2 builders, who will replicate the unit and will post
full video documentation and will also ship the units to the 2 other
parties ( gn0sis.com and freeenergynews.com)
will get each a share of 1/5 the prize money,
so you as the inventor will get a 3/5 share and each of the first 2
builders will get a 1/5 share of the prize money.
How about this ?
So please only apply and publish it , until you have a first
prototype fully working and are able to publish and ship it.

Regards, Stefan.

Nemesiswes · « **Reply #148 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:59:38 AM »

Alright well thanks for the info, guess i better start saving. lol

Humbugger · « **Reply #149 on:** September 03, 2007, 09:06:57 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 08:41:57 AM

Humbugger,
you are absolutely right.
I have to fix the rules in a PDF document, so everybody knows the rules
and can accept them or not.
So everybody can make up his mind if he will donate some money
or on the other side, if an inventor will apply for it or will
market his invention elsewhere...

Please give me 1 or 2 days time.
I had to do too much programming work during the last days, so
I did not have time to rethink it all in every detail.

Regards, Stefan.

Please, Stefan,

Take as much time as you need, of course! Do not think I am trying to pressure you in any way. Any contribution of funds I make will be there today or next year...I just want to make sure it never has to be withdrawn or given out undeservedly because we didn't lock in a solid set of rules. There is no big rush here!

It is not an easy task what you are trying to accomplish and manage. Maybe sometimes it seems like some of us (especially snotty skeptics like me) don't appreciate your hard work and sometimes impossible tasks, but I do.

Personally, I could never pull it off, myself, what you do here. To be so encouraging and so diplomatic regarding every proposed idea...whew! To balance the open promotion of any and all ideas with a hard scientific approach would seem to me to be completely frustrating if not totally impossible. But you seem to do it most of the time.

Humbugger

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