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Offline OffGrid rdnck

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2007, 06:07:50 PM »
One device must be shipped to me at OverUnity.com ( Dip. Ing. Stefan Hartmann)
and the 2 other devices can be shipped for instance to Mr. Jean Louis Naudin
(jlnlabs.org) and Mr. Sterling D.Allan ( freeenergynews.com)


There is no way any  serious person would send anything to moonbats associated with T Bearden. Sterrling Allan is legit, but anyone associated with "AIAS", which is just a new name for Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet, same moonbats, and same nonsensical "<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free_energy/files/meg_debunk.pdf><b>"Bearden Math"</b></a> mumbo jumbo. (What does AIAS stand for? AIAS - "Alpha Foundation's Institute for Advanced Study." Where does "Alpha" come from? I don't know.) It is obvious Tom Bearden, AIAS,  and everyone involved in the MEG project, do not understand basic textbook physics. This is not especially surprising, when one considers Tom Bearden has repeatedly stated everything in standard textbooks is wrong.

Taking a 100w resister and zaping it with high voltage, thus frying it, then claiming it is some miracle wonder device  which "recieves energy from the vaccum"  still makes engineers roll around the floor in fits of laughter.

"Bearden has a litany of spurious claims. It is amazing how much damage somebody like Bearden can cause."  <a href="http://www.phact.org/e/z/BeardenReview.htm"><b>Lawrence B. Crowell'</b></a>

 "Abstract: We show that the AIAS group collection of papers on a ``new electrodynamics'' recently published in the Journal of New Energy, as well as other papers signed by that group (and also other authors) appearing in other established physical journals and in many books published by leading international publishers (see references) are full of misconceptions and misunderstandings concerning the theory of the electromagnetic field and contain fatal mathematical flaws, which invalidates almost all claims done by the authors."

[Note: At the meeting of the Natural Philosophy Alliance quoted in footnote 2, Dr. Munera was present. He confirmed to the public attending W.A.R. lecture at that meeting that his name has been used withouth his consent in some publications of the AIAS group.

<a href="http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/bearden.htm#rose"><b>A.L. Trovon de Carvalho and W.A. Rodrigues Jr, published in "Random Operators and Stochastic Equations"</b></a>

It would be wize to read the rest.

It would also be wize to dissasociate your contest from  quacks.





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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #76 on: June 07, 2007, 10:45:00 PM »
Hi OffGrid rdnck (redneck?),
I wan't to beleive that it is possible to tap the see of energy which is just some sort of a potential field an a therory that nobody can proof just like the big bang, but many are talking about as they have witnessed it.
I do agree that many are talking rubbish. I can state this as far it concerns electronics since I have studied electronics at university. But I'm open to other ideas. However, before I call out everything is possible and can be done, I try it myself and do my own research. When I'm successful in making excess energy then, and only then I will call out that free energy is real an possible.
I regret that many of the (self named) experts are topping each other in just guessing. Science today is able to do many unbelievable things which are repeatable and which are based on proofed theories. All their scientific works are comprehensible and fully documented.
I won't agree that the idea of gaining free energy which is only the tapping of energy that is already around, would not be possible, but I can say that for the non-aceptance of this idea it's "researcher" have to be blamed, because of their sloppy work, no matter if they are right or wrong!

So don't pay attention to all the other bullshit artists and faultfinder who want to attend scientific research and have not done their homework yet.
P.K.

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #77 on: June 07, 2007, 11:00:06 PM »
As of until now J.L.Naudin and St. D. Allan did not answer my emails,if they want and can
test the devices.

So I have now choosen Rich Weber from gn0sis.com in the US to be the second party.

The best thing for the 3rd party would be an independent  university I guess.

So who is applying for this challenge ?
Please send me a private email.

Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #77 on: June 07, 2007, 11:00:06 PM »
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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2007, 07:45:17 AM »
Hello Stefan,

Well I have somthing to say here.    Now I have been working on a free energy project for over 25 years now.   I have just about tryed about everything. That is on the internet.   And after the new rare earth magnets came out I tryed them all again.  I could not get anything to produce power out.  I have suceded in making severial self running models, but in time they would guit because of magnet degradation.

   So I am here to say that there is no simple way to build a self runner that will produce extra power.  It is going to cost alot of money.   Now I am very gratfull that you are going to give a reward for a self runner that produces 50 watts of extra energy.   I think it will aspire more interest in people to get on the band wagon.

I have been very carefull of what I had to say here on this forum about my motor.  However I am going to state something in hopes that I don't get a visit from the MIB,  I have allready gotten six thretening calls, from I don't now where. The calls were not traseable, One I found out was from my home town made from a pay phone at a super market. The person on the line said to stop building the motor or my family was dead.

The 2" magnet motor I had running, I took it down to Goodyear Atomic plant to have it tested by one of there electronics and motor tecknitions.    Now mind you that this motor was just a two valve motor and it was running of a set of motorcycle points.  Now the points would only last just over 5 minuts at full load till they burnt up.  And the motor was just a two valve motor using 2" diam.  magnets.  It had at least 1/4 turn/rev of cost time.

This motor tested out to be in the range of 200% efficiency.  The guy that tested the motor imediatly baught into my company. Now I have been very cauthous to tell this story, because of feer of someone trying to put me to sleep.

Now my problem,  I have built a new motor that uses 4"x2"x1" magnets.  Now when I built this motor there was three different places that had the magnets I needed, when I got the motor done, I didn't have the money to buy the magnets.   Now I finally got the money and I cannot find the magnets anywhere.   So I am currently building a motor that will be a three valve motor that uses three stacks of 1" magnets 6 inches high.   Now the magnets alone cost over $700.00 in us currency.  The total cost of this new motor I estimate will be over $3000.00.  I had to buy more solicon steel and more aluminum to build it, more stanless steel bolts and bearings for the shaft.

This new motor will use 2"x2"x1" N48 Magnets stacked 6 high.  Just the magnets alone will produse about 20% more power over the 2" round magnets.  This new motor will also have a 7 inch rotor over the 5 inch rotor that the old motor had.  This should mean much more torque to the shaft.   I have found someone that is willing to build an electronic controller(Honk) for this new motor for free. However I have pleged him a shares of the company.   I am very gratfull to him.    I also found someone to donate the magnet wire(boxofsparks) to to wind the coils for this motor.  He also will get a new motor.

Now when this new motor is built I am going to take it to the Ohio State university to have it checked out.  They would not check the other motor out because it was not electronic controlled and it was sometimes not self starting because of the 1/4 cost time.

I would like to win your reward but I have a problem,  How am I going to get the money to build severial test units to send around the world, this motor weigh's in the neberhood of around 100 lbs so shipping alone would be very expencive.  It takes me around two months to just build one of these things, let alone the cost to build them.

I have plains to realease the plains to this motor on this message board as soon as I get the patents back from the patent aturney.   I would like to know what the problem is with getting patents on this thing and then turning it loose for every one to build.   I think getting patents on something like this is the best way to protect the invention itself.    If I don't get patents on it I run the risk of a big company getting patents and stoping everyone else from producing it.   Now I now you are going dispute that wance it is made public it cannot be patented, but I have found out that things can be baught and paid for in the good ole USA.

The one thing I want foir this motor is for it to be shared with everyone.  Now I realize that just everyone will not be able to build it, but with good plains they could have it built by a good machine shop.   I want my grand children to have just as good a life on this earth as at least I had or maybe even better.  And with global warming, if it keeps up, it's going to be hell on this earth in about 20 years from now if someone does not produce clean power.    I say hats of to every one that is working on clean power on this board.  However it is just not going to be cheep to do.

I have visited over three places just in Ohio that have self running units.  However they are just that, no extra power.   The simple ways are not going to produce extra power.  If that were the case there would be hundreds of them now on the market.

I would like to collect your prize money when this thing is built, and also make plains avalable to everyone, but I just do not know how I can aford to build units to send out to different people for testing.    Maybe you can tell me.

Thanks,,,,,,,,,Later,,,,,,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand
 

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2007, 11:31:56 AM »
Hi Jack,
sorry, I am a bit in a hurry now,
but still want to reply now.

If your new big motor will run with these expensive
magnets, it should be possible to scale it down
and build smaller maotors with using standard normal
neodym magnets , which only costs a few dollars.

So maybe you can learn from your new motor, which
parameters it really needs and try then to build smaller
ones, which also work and put out at least 50 Watts.

Would be interesting to hear from you, which motors
you saw, that selfrun, but just only overcome friction.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2007, 12:23:03 PM »
forget the patent and share already :)

and hartiberlin has a good point, just scale down this machine to a smaller size instead of using ridiculously expense materials.

peace


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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2007, 03:26:49 AM »
Hello Stefan and FreeEnergy,

Well that would be nice, however by using smaller magnets you only get a self runner that will not put out extra power.    By using the valve I invented I cannot get extra power out without going up to at least a 2" magnet.  So that really puts me out on your prize money.  The ridiculously expense materials, just seems to be the way it needs to be.   I don't think you will ever need to worry about giving away your prize money.   Please don't think that I am just being smart about this, but that is just how it is.

I can tell you again, and I know it will just go through one ear and out the other,  You will never see a simple motor that will put out extra power.  I am not being smart about this, but I have been in this business for a long time and have never had a motor that would put out extra power till I went with at least a 2" magnet.  Permanent magnets are just not that strong yet. They do not even come close to matching the magnetic power that you find in an electric motor.

Now I have been looking out on this board for severial years now and I can see that there is always someone working on someone elses stuff.  Always a rehash of old stuff.  If this old stuf worked there would be free power right now.  I am sure that the inventers that invented this stuff, if it really worked, we would have free power.

The wankel motor is one that I have seen running it's self.  However it would only run it's self and would only run about three days and you needed to replace the magnets.   Remember the wankel motor uses repulson mode on the magnets and that will depleate the magnets over time.   For any motor that will continue to operate for extended periods, the magnets will allways need to be in atraction mode.   I have seen that with my motor, if I increase the current till it over powers the permanent magnet just a little bit, it will not run long.   As long as I run the current till it only matches the permanent magnet it will run for ever with out destroying the magnets.

Thanks,,,,,,,Later,,,,,,JackH

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2007, 04:56:31 AM »
Hi Jack,
if your principle really will work, it should only be an engineering task to scale
it down to use smaller magnets too and also work then.

I guess you still have the problems of switching the right current pulses
to your coils and having the right timeconstants and getting rid
of the back EMF fast enough..or overcome the Inductance to
switch the coils on fast enough..

As in your motor it is a dynamic system and this is different
than when you just switch DC voltage onto an electromagnet to
compensate any permanent magnet field...

The one who runs his motor in attraction is Paul Sprain and
his "wankel principle" as you call it, seems to work.
His newest motor which I already have seen pics of privately
will probably blow away many people?s opinion on it ! ;) ;D

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2007, 05:08:57 AM »
Hello Jack,

Quote from Jack:  "You will never see a simple motor that will put out extra power."

I would tend to agree that a simple small motor will not be capable of producing 50 watts additional output.  It will require a successful small permanent magnet motor idea that is capable of obtaining gain, that can be made into several motors teamed up together (creating a more complex motor with more strength and multiple magnetic poles like a standard  electric motor) to have the chance to approach this goal.  It is then unlikely that an average inventor would be able to afford to make three of these motors and send them out.  Most inventors find it very difficult to successfully make a small permanent magnet motor with the potential of gain.

But I must say that I like the idea of a prize for the inventor.  Perhaps if there were different levels of prize for different levels of achievement?

Hope you are doing well Jack and Stephan.

Wishing you all the best.

Liberty

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« Reply #84 on: June 10, 2007, 03:10:26 AM »
Hello Liberty and Stefan,

I will be the first to hatts off for Stefan for offering this prize money.  However I also think it will be very hard for a small machine shop or inventer to grab it.

Stefan,  I have built severial small motors that would just bearlly selfrun(1" magnets).  But here comes the hard part, most generators do take alot of pull down during a load, I have seen very little that do not.   Even if you had a generator that did not provide a pull down during load, just the gearing or chain drive to operate this generator has a 20% loss.   Even if you mounted it on the same shaft it would take a motor that is about 200% efficient to operate it and still produce 50 watts.   50 Watts is alot of power to produce with a small motor.

I hope that you finally do find someone that CAN do it.  That will mean free energy, I hope for all.

Later,,,,,,JackH

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« Reply #85 on: June 10, 2007, 03:19:43 AM »
The document is out guys

Stefan......get your money ready...hey! you could claim it yourself now!

That would simplify the paper work!

Ha    good times are here

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« Reply #86 on: June 10, 2007, 03:28:41 AM »
So I am here to say that there is no simple way to build a self runner that will produce extra power.  It is going to cost alot of money.

nah Jack, you already know why this is.

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Now I have been looking out on this board for severial years now and I can see that there is always someone working on someone elses stuff.  Always a rehash of old stuff.  If this old stuf worked there would be free power right now.  I am sure that the inventers that invented this stuff, if it really worked, we would have free power.

see?

It's awfully ironic, if you cant think like an inventor you cant reproduce their vague works. It's just not going to happen!

Mark my words: I've never build anything but I know the workings of most previous devices. This of course makes me a delusional fool.  So I'm not going to bother to explain it to anyone. (ha!)

The biggest irony is that after figuring out your inventi0n I fail to see what I should do with it. My gut says I should do nothing and enjoy the show. ;D I think you kind of have enough to worry about.

But my point is that reproduction can get you to the point where the other guy gave up. After that you have to build your own railroad of thought anyway, so why not start with that?

The thing is that people have been violently bashed out of their creative mindset. 90% of mankind is the equivalent of a calculator with legs.

It's easy to see how indoctrinated everyone is. When ever there is a conspiracy those who want to expose it are the one's under attack.

We fry people in the Edison chair with 2 witness testimonials. But in public opinion your MIB are obviously fake, just like your motor. Even tho that already makes 2 eye witness testimonials. It seems like inventors only get attention from the wrong people? :-\

You are very correct to say magnets aren't going to supply our worlds energy needs. Specially when people are only interested in discussion why not to have the discussion.

I wrote this doc, there is no room to escape the gist of the message, I've left not an inch of room for debunkery.

http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl

This is a good tool to slap disbelievers back into the real world. You can copy/past/save the doc to disk, do what ever you want with it.

@hartiberlin

I'm sure you can find 3 nuclear p0wer plants for the reproduction? I have the feeling that even your free energy enthusiasm is not big enough to bother doing so. I know it sounds like a joke but it's awfully sad actually...

If you manage to get 3 reproduction I will explain how Edward Leedskalnin was able to build Corral Castle. I didn't explain it jet as I think the coral castle mystery is one of the few things still able to inspire people.

All waiting for Agnes to return ghehehe
« Last Edit: June 10, 2007, 10:08:54 AM by gaby de wilde »

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« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2007, 10:50:36 AM »
I'm just a little nieve but, I wasn't born last night. Should I believe in MIB? Yes. Should I give you my toy to sell to the world, no. Publish, hmmmmmmmm, no. The MIB have been discovering and immediately burying untold numbers of inventions and inventors for probably the last one hundred years. I think that if success arrives, you want recognition and give a gift to world then this what you must do to keep from being MIB'd. Don't get in a hurry. Save some money up, or borrow it, or put it on a credit card, something! Remember, MIB don't play. If you want to share with the world and be safe follow this instruction. Please.

The successful indiviual should burn several thousand, at least a thousand, high quality dvds of video documentation including plans and specs. Do the copying of the dvds at home or at a frends, not at Office Depot. Some one may watch. That's how they just caught the Fort Dix terrorists.

That person should then travel to a large city. Mail them all from as many as twenty postal locations but, and most especially, on the same day. Use no fewer than ten post offices. Send them to all major news agencies with a note saying you also sent the same dvd to a few of their of competitors. Don't name the competition. Send copies to engineering schools, faculty and students. Saturate MIT with them. Send them to friends, lots of friends, family, co-workers, the church. Send them to people you don't even know. Send them to Green orginizations. Don't send them to any one in government, not even Al Gore. Send one to Steorn in Ireland. I'd send one to you if you posted an address.

There are some particulars about the video that must be followed. Anyone looking at a grainy fuzzy video clip is immediately suspicious or bored so, it must be a crystal clear video. The presentation needs to be rehearsed. Conversation is not necessary. All mechanical devices must be shown so all components are clearly visible, not hidden by black or some other color tape.

Mechanical devices must be shown running without any wiring or test equipment attached for at least five minutes continiously, unless the wiring is an integral part. The wiring and the connected components should be close-upped and slowly panned. The item needs to be displayed on a table of normal height. The underside of the table needs to be slowly panned with the camera. The video needs to be done in good lighting. Hire someone to do a video of the table without showing them or telling them about your invention, then rent the same equipment. Invite a friend to film a cardboard box on the table. Look at the clip. Can you see the box? Can you read the printing?

If followed through, this will get your gift to the world. To earn recognition you have to show your face and give your name. I did like the $500 dollar cap. Save a few dvds back for yourself. Give one to a lawyer, not to be opened. Mail 2 or 3 to yourself. Save them unopened in different locations, not all at your house.

If the MIB would show up act real crazy. If NBC news shows up tell'm CBS is on the way.

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« Reply #88 on: June 22, 2007, 12:38:24 PM »
Why , are all making it so complex
I'm a true amateur, so I work with things I find in the house and test, no calculations what so ever.
I did a small test with lego toys of my kid,
first I putted 8 magnets (strong magnets to polarize water with (anti chalk)  in line,(had some problems keeping them close to each other, you can imagine, jumping magnets al over the place, ,but  I managed . Now I build a small car on wheels containing a magnet, put it over the first magnet, gave it a start push, and it accelerated over the magnets away from me. I still play with it
Ok proofs nothing
Second:
Putted the same type of magnets in a circle (horizontal), this time I had to replace the car by a wheel inside this circle, had some trouble adding the magnet again, pushed it and it moved constantly accelerating, but as toys do it broke, magnets flew away etc.
 I 'm now looking for better materials and magnets? it does not start on its own, but after a push accelerates slowly, depending on friction of the toys I used, I presume.
Now I?m looking for ways to better fix the magnets and will place more magnets on the internal wheel, (it must work or did I miss something)
 Remark,
 it is all in the way you place the magnets, if you move another magnet trough this field it is first attracted, and than suddenly pushed forward in the same direction.
Does anyone have the same experience? I?m sure if someone can build this devise on an existing dynamo engine, output will go up, and if this power can be reused in this engine, it should start consuming less energy, If this really works, and I'm sure it will, you can put it on all devices, also simple bike etc. Let?s dream here, you could create  overunity everywhere.
ps, feel free to used it (if it works for you)

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« Reply #89 on: June 27, 2007, 07:44:08 PM »
I am adding another 200 US$ now to the Prize money.
So all in all with the other 2 users wanting to add their money it is now at 3000 US$.

Please post in this thread only OverUnity Prize related items:
What could be done to raise more money or applying for the Prize, etc...

If you want to post some technical stuff, please post it into different threads.

Many thanks and looking forward to the first inventor who goes for the challenge.

Regards, Stefan.

 

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