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Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2023, 11:47:08 AM »
About "what's new":

So far, a little new.
Due to the poor replication of other options, I returned to this setup:

https://overunity.com/18865/low-temperature-catalytic-thermolysis-of-water/msg575130/#msg575130

Small differences:
1. The center conductor in the quartz tube is insulated. It is sealed in a small glass tube.

2. A second pipe is added to the water tank, which is connected to a small valve connected to the atmosphere. This is to provide a small amount of air to transfer the gases from zeolite to hydrogen sensor.

3. Instead of two syringes, a relatively large hydraulic cylinder is used as a vacuum pump. As cavities, cavities are used for the forward and return stroke of the piston.
Such a hand pump allows pumping down to almost -100 kPa. But it's hard to do it by hand. So far I can't find an electrical replacement. In general, the process looks like if the zeolite is constantly in a vacuum, the hydrogen yield decreases. It is necessary to alternate cycles with normal and low pressure. It would be good in the engine cylinder. But the engine cylinder does not provide such low pressure. In a bad vacuum, hydrogen is not produced.
It is probably necessary to move to a higher pressure in the compression cycle, then a good vacuum is not needed. It is not yet clear how to physically implement this. In addition, I am afraid that when the HHO mixture is compressed in the hydrocylinder, self-ignition and "badabum" may occur.

4. There is a suspicion of a strange effect, but needs verification..
If the conductor is loosely wound and there is a gap between the conductor and the glass, then ozone is formed outside the quartz and smell is felt, and more hydrogen is formed at the outlet of the zeolite. If the heating conductor is tightly pressed against the quartz tube, then less hydrogen seems to be obtained. Maybe the release of hydrogen is helped by micropulse discharges between the conductor and the glass.

Hydrogen production, even at best, remains small.

About "what's interesting":

JP2006185638A Battery

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Reference Example 1:
 Preparation of H-type zeolite
 Clinoptiolite [Na 6 (Al 6 Si 10 O 72 ) · 24H 2 O] having a specific surface area of 18.0 m 2 / g was used as a raw material zeolite. This was immersed in a 5% saline solution for 60 minutes and then immersed in a 10% aqueous solution of citric acid for 60 minutes. The product was washed with water and dried to obtain H-type zeolite.

Reference Example 2:
 Production of Electrolytic Solution
The liquid of the present invention was produced using the apparatus shown in FIG.
1100 g of calcium hydroxide was charged into the container 10, and 10 liters of water and 2500 g of phosphoric acid were charged into the container 20. Both were mixed and supplied to the container 30. The contents in the container 30 were stirred at room temperature for 0.5 hours to be reacted. Thereafter, the contents of the container 30 were transferred to the container 40. The contents of the container 40 were supplied to the electrolysis unit 50 charged with 10 kg of H-type zeolite, and the effluent from the container 50 was returned to the container 40 and circulated. The voltage in the electrolysis unit was 18V and the current was 10A. The circulation was terminated when the current reached 20A. The product was filtered to obtain an electrolytic solution.

Example 3

The motor was run again for 80 minutes and charged for 15 minutes. Furthermore, when the motor was operated for 3 hours, the voltage dropped to 1.69V. When the load was stopped and the change in voltage was measured, the following results were obtained.

Time (minutes) 2 10 16
Voltage 1.7 1.73 1.75

It was confirmed that the voltage recovered by leaving the battery unattended.


JP2008270001A  Composition having electromotive force and power source unit such as power source cell
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When the above cells were regarded as one cell and five cells were connected in series, a power supply unit showing a current of 5 to 6 V and 100 mA was obtained.
When this power supply unit was connected to a white LED of 30 mA, 4.5 V, the lighting time lasted for about 200 hours.

After the power was consumed and the lighting was stopped, the water absorbent sheet was absorbed with water of about 20%. The light was then turned on again and the lighting time lasted for about 100 hours.
Re-lighting with hydration was realized repeatedly.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2023, 02:09:01 PM by Sergh »

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2023, 12:34:24 PM »
It seems that this patent quite fully describes the chemical process of creating a battery:

JP2008270001A
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Composition having electromotive force and power source unit such as power source cell or the like and manufacturing method of the same

  In the power cell of the present invention, a sheet of paper or cloth having ion exchange ability is used between the anode member and the cathode member, and the water absorbing member is placed in a desired position in the cell between the anode member and the cathode member. Since the electric power generated by the chemical reaction is consumed and the necessary electric energy is insufficient, a small amount of water is supplied to the water absorbing member between the anode member and the cathode member. By humidifying the moisture to about 20%, the absorbed moisture is electrolyzed into hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions by energization of the anode member and the cathode member, and the hydroxide ions gather at the anode member to generate a new electromotive force. Therefore, the power source cell is self-charged without requiring an external current, and the electromotive force is self-regenerated only by supplying a small amount of water.

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2023, 04:26:34 PM »
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By humidifying the moisture to about 20%, the absorbed moisture is electrolyzed into hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions by energization of the anode member and the cathode member, and the hydroxide ions gather at the anode member to generate a new electromotive force. Therefore, the power source cell is self-charged without requiring an external current, and the electromotive force is self-regenerated only by supplying a small amount of water.

Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #78 on: August 22, 2023, 12:15:51 PM »
   Should always have a path towards continuing open source research in a productive
Environment.

Hey Chet!

Artificial intelligence advised to contact the inventor named in this patent so that he could explain the meaning of these lines.

You can help? Contact the inventor and explain the meaning of open source and attract as a new member of the forum?
The patents are written very openly and clearly, I suppose he might agree.

The inventor’s name is Yoshiaki Koike or 吉昭小池 or 小池吉昭 in Japanese.
1-20-17-50 Natsumidai, Funabashi City, Chiba Prefecture

Patent: JP2008270001A
Current Assignee: Individual
Status: Expired - Fee Related
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    Composition having electromotive force and power source unit such as power source cell or the like and manufacturing method of the same

      In the power cell of the present invention, a sheet of paper or cloth having ion exchange ability is used between the anode member and the cathode member, and the water absorbing member is placed in a desired position in the cell between the anode member and the cathode member. Since the electric power generated by the chemical reaction is consumed and the necessary electric energy is insufficient, a small amount of water is supplied to the water absorbing member between the anode member and the cathode member. By humidifying the moisture to about 20%, the absorbed moisture is electrolyzed into hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions by energization of the anode member and the cathode member, and the hydroxide ions gather at the anode member to generate a new electromotive force. Therefore, the power source cell is self-charged without requiring an external current, and the electromotive force is self-regenerated only by supplying a small amount of water.


 He is a researcher who has been studying the properties and applications of apatite-like compounds, especially their ability to generate hydrogen in water.

[1] 小池吉昭 他、アパタイト様組成物による水素の水中固定に関する研究、日本機能水学会第
11 回学術大会(2012).
[1] Yoshiaki Koike et al., Research on fixation of hydrogen in water by apatite-like composition, Japan Society for Functional Water, Vol.
11th Annual Scientific Meeting (2012).

[2] 小池吉昭           他、紫外線照射によるアパタイト様組成物の水素発生現象、

日本機能水学会第 12
回学術大会(2013).

[2] Yoshiaki Koike et al., Hydrogen generation phenomenon of apatite-like composition by ultraviolet irradiation,

Japan Society for Functional Water 12th
2013 academic conference (2013).

小池吉昭, 西尾晃一, 武藤修路,
中村隆春, 久保田昌治
紫外線照射によるアパタイト様組成
物の水素発生現象
第12回学術大会講演要旨集,
p75-76

Yoshiaki Koike, Koichi Nishio, Shuji Mutoh,
Takaharu Nakamura, Masaharu Kubota
Apatite-like composition by UV irradiation
Hydrogen generation phenomenon of matter
Abstracts of the 12th Annual Scientific Meeting,
p75-76

小池吉昭, 宮崎帆波, 西尾晃一,
加藤光一, 中村隆春, 久保田昌
治, 光永徹
アパタイト様組成物の水素発生に
対する鉄イオンの影響
第13回学術大会講演要旨集,
p49-50

紫外線照射によるアパタイト様組成物の水素発生現象

Yoshiaki Koike, Honami Miyazaki, Koichi Nishio,
Koichi Kato, Takaharu Nakamura, Masaru Kubota
Osamu, Toru Mitsunaga
For hydrogen generation of apatite-like composition
effect of iron ions on
Abstracts of the 13th Annual Scientific Meeting,
p49-50

14.アパタイト様組成物の水素発生に対する鉄イオンの影響
小池吉昭 1
、○宮崎帆波 2
、西尾晃一 2
、加藤光一 3
、中村隆春 2
、久保田昌治 3
、光永徹 4
(1
新水素水研究会、2
奥長良川名水㈱、3
㈱ウォーターデザイン研究所、4
岐阜大学応用生物科学部)

【法政大学情報科学部】 小池崇文先生の研究室紹介動画「究極のリアリティを目指す」【ディジタルメディア学科】


14. Effects of iron ions on hydrogen evolution in apatite-like compositions
Yoshiaki Koike 1
, Miyazaki Honami 2
, Koichi Nishio 2
, Koichi Kato 3
, Takaharu Nakamura 2
, Masaharu Kubota 3
, Toru Mitsunaga 4
(1
New hydrogen water study group, 2
Oku Nagaragawa Meisui Co., Ltd., 3
Water Design Institute Co., Ltd., 4
Faculty of Applied Biological Sciences, Gifu University)

[Faculty of Information Science, Hosei University] Professor Takafumi Koike's laboratory introduction video "Aiming for the ultimate reality" [Digital Media Department]

22.アパタイト様組成物による水素の水中固定に関する研究 ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ 69
○小池吉昭 1
、〇西尾晃一 2
、武藤修路 2
、中村隆春 2
、久保田昌治 3
(1新水素水研究会、2奥長良川名水㈱、3
ウォーターデザイン研究会)

22. Research on fixation of hydrogen in water by apatite-like composition ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ 69
 Yoshiaki Koike 1
, Koichi Nishio 2
, Shuji Mutou 2
, Takaharu Nakamura 2
, Masaharu Kubota 3
(1 New Hydrogen Water Research Group, 2 Oku Nagaragawa Meisui Co., Ltd., 3
Water Design Study Group)

23.紫外線照射によるアパタイト様組成物の水素発生現象 ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ 75
小池吉昭 1
、○西尾晃一 2
、武藤修路 2
、中村隆春 2
、久保田昌治 3
(1新水素水研究会、2奥長良川名水㈱、3
ウォーターデザイン研究会)

23. Hydrogen Evolution Phenomenon of Apatite-Like Compositions by UV Irradiation ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ 75
Yoshiaki Koike 1
, Koichi Nishio 2
, Shuji Mutou 2
, Takaharu Nakamura 2
, Masaharu Kubota 3
(1 New Hydrogen Water Research Group, 2 Oku Nagaragawa Meisui Co., Ltd., 3
Water Design Study Group)

I didn't find any other contact details.

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #79 on: August 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM »
Sergh
I will start contact  process today
And speak with open source scientists who can possibly help
With this Japanese contact ( I was going to ask this week prior to your post today)


Tremendous gratitude for your efforts
Hydrogen ( water) is my pet obsession


Respectfully
Chet

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #80 on: August 22, 2023, 01:01:33 PM »
From NN sea hight to 2000+ metres mountain hight !
The thinner atmosphere advantage !
Solar/artificial photon  collector ,coated with

https://www.google.com/search?q=mexico+superconducting+ink&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
Cascading advantages !

Hot water to Hasebe-hydrolysis chamber ? High purity and efficiency claimed !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=47&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880531&CC=US&NR=4747925A&KC=A#

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2023, 07:40:05 PM »
Sergh
Still working on contacting resources for this ,first impressions are important here ( first contact)
A bit tricky with Japanese, unfortunately I also had to head out on the road
To sort a problem with a job .


(Dropped you a question in PM)


I really like how your thinking here ( inviting inventors)


With gratitude
Chet

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2023, 04:53:53 AM »
I am assuming the water being added is the close to 20% humidity but it doesn't say how often it has to be added, how it's added and how long it last between adding. It mentioned lighting a led for 200hrs but did it do so off one addition or were there more additions added during that 200hrs?
 It is a v[size=78%]ery interesting concept but there are some missing actions and out comes that need to be accounted for to know if this is actually worth attempting to build.[/size]

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2023, 09:56:01 PM »
And what was it about the design of 18650 batteries ?
The foil is wound with a bifilar to reduce parasitic inductance?
I don't know anything about it.

Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2023, 10:32:45 AM »
Interesting video - a simple way to impregnate magnetic particles into a nanomaterial.

Magnetic Graphene
Making Magnetic Graphene Oxide - Fe3O4 magnetic nano particle composite system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOu0yC3WEMQ


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And what was it about the design of 18650 batteries ?The foil is wound with a bifilar to reduce parasitic inductance?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Lithium+ion+battery+crytical+current+density

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2023, 01:00:54 PM »
Can " burning saltwater" heat effect

https://www.google.com/search?q=kanzius+saltwater&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

not become converted by heatelectric devices like
https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/

Cheaper ?

https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/126010.html?
' .... can allow electricity cost down to USD 0.00143/kWh....'

1 barrel crude oil theoretical 1600 KWh energy  x 0,00143 US$

                             ~ 2,29 US$/barrel electric power equivalent

                             ~ 1,43 US$/MWh electricity generation

Nearly same Birmingham's Technology NanoBOXX electricity generation price range,included CAPEX and OPEX calculation :

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/112814/whats-difference-between-capital-expenditures-capex-and-operational-expenditures-opex.asp

https://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/2018/11/innovative-electric-power-sources-for-a-sustainable-future-.html

Advantage : non-radioactive material ! (IAEO- ownership,controle and fee !)

          Energy exchange market price/production costs margin transparency ?!

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2023, 12:20:36 AM »
kolbacict:
If you carefully read the topic, it is clear that by itself it does not heat up.
 Heats up from a 220 volt outlet. It heats up so that the cavities in the crystals begin to vibrate at a very high speed.

At the same time, they probably begin to interact with the quantum field of virtual particles of vacuum and transfer the energy of the zero point to our real world. Zero point energy dissociates a water molecule at a temperature 5 times lower than without microcrystal cavities.
Conventional heating is no different from microwave heating:
https://phys.org/news/2013-03-nihilo-dynamical-casimir-effect-metamaterial.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLEJTaY307E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh898Yr5YZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A

Thanks for posting this video, very insightful.
Great work, I like his approach with this technology.

Sadly, he seems to forget that there is one law of physics and all of academia that supercedes even the 2nd law of TD, despite him referencing it more than once in his presentation when he REALLY didn't need to.
That is: man-made climate change due to emission of "greenhouse" gasses. It's somehow the only "settled science" we ever had. You get respected more for swearing in church than to entertain and publish on alternative principles and causalities. Swearing in a catholic church can be forgiven within minutes. An anti climate alarmism paper will black list you from academia for life (I hope I am wrong with that) probably.

/off-topic

Try and submit a paper that totally disproves the popular theories, or point out inconsistencies with more proven sciences such as geology, biology, paleontology, astronomy and others which all indicate that climate does a great deal of changing before homo sapiens decides its now almighty and adopt the mother of all guilt trips.

I hope the zero point...collector (what's it called?) gets built on a larger scale with optimal energy density, to show it off in a practical application. Starting with a trike from bicycle parts that just keeps going 24/7 on autopilot and comes in for tyre and bearing changes. Academia will find a way to not believe something if they can wage some sacred law against it. Ignore any and all data that shows a brighter future.

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2023, 01:04:43 AM »
Garrett model
Seems they approach production?
https://overunity.com/19539/laws-of-physics-on-the-rocks-the-garret-model-in-production-soon/

Sorry for off topic
However this is amazing news …