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Author Topic: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water  (Read 6547 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2022, 07:56:33 PM »
Yes, but the dissociation products remain the same hot.
Thermal energy does not disappear, except for the consumption for the endothermic reaction of thermal dissociation of water.
Imagine that we would live on Venus with a temperature of 500 degrees.
Would we have free energy? ;) ;)

Offline Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2022, 10:08:17 AM »
kolbacict:
If you carefully read the topic, it is clear that by itself it does not heat up.
 Heats up from a 220 volt outlet. It heats up so that the cavities in the crystals begin to vibrate at a very high speed.

At the same time, they probably begin to interact with the quantum field of virtual particles of vacuum and transfer the energy of the zero point to our real world. Zero point energy dissociates a water molecule at a temperature 5 times lower than without microcrystal cavities.
Conventional heating is no different from microwave heating:
https://phys.org/news/2013-03-nihilo-dynamical-casimir-effect-metamaterial.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLEJTaY307E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh898Yr5YZ8

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2022, 01:45:16 PM »
With zero point energy, now I understand.
Now, if we return to classical thermodynamics, suggest we are the inhabitants of Venus. :)
500 degrees is a normal temperature for us, like for earthlings 20 degrees Celsius.
We find a magical catalyst, and decompose water vapor, which, we assume, we have in quite .
Then we burn the resulting hydrogen and oxygen without a catalyst. We get the temperature
already much higher, and again water vapor. Then everything repeats again in a circle.
On the temperature difference, you can start a heat engine and an electric generator.
What is it, we have a violation of thermodynamics ?
Or is it necessary to take into account not only the temperature, but also the amount of heat ?

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2022, 04:41:48 PM »
If you heat the zeolite in the atmosphere of Venus or the Earth or whatever, nothing will happen.
It is also necessary to transport steam, gas, water through nano labyrinths.
It is necessary to cyclically change the pressure over a wide range.

If you drilled a small hole in a barrel of gasoline, inserted a tube into it and set fire to the gasoline that flowed out? Gasoline burns and heats up above the environment. Is this a violation of the laws of thermodynamics?
To the topic of zero point energy, about the method of direct generation of electricity without water and gases:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2022, 01:04:33 PM »
If you heat the zeolite in the atmosphere of Venus or the Earth or whatever, nothing will happen.
It is also necessary to transport steam, gas, water through nano labyrinths.
It is necessary to cyclically change the pressure over a wide range.
Yes, I understood everything. We will do as you say, and with pressure too.
But why here about the barrel of gasoline?
We had only water, and we get only water, and so on in a circle.
And yet add thermal energy is taken, as if from nowhere.

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2022, 08:33:30 AM »
Why is it necessary to use only water? Practical, safe.
But you can use other substances.
 Patent of the same author for the catalytic dissociation of carbon dioxide.

https://patents.google.com/patent/SU1011511A1/en

Thermal dissociation of carbon dioxide into carbon monoxide and oxygen.
Carbon monoxide can be used as fuel.

The same thing happens with water. Both reactions are not overunity.
I think that the energy for the reaction come from the movement of our space in time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCvbqMGPpa8

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2022, 08:54:31 AM »
The same thing happens with water. Both reactions are not overunity.
I think that the energy for the reaction come from the movement of our space in time.
Or maybe nature performs all its processes according to its own laws.
Including the passage of time and energy. And if an ambitious person wants to get a
" perpetual motion machine", to amuse his ego. He must pay for this with his own time,
 the time of his life. Not in the sense that he spends part of his time working with different
 devices, but in the literal sense ? Sounds creepy, but if is that?  ;)

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2022, 10:09:42 AM »
In any case, we are moving in time.
Many are like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moOZYXRyqlY
That's better?
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By the way, I wonder what "Antigravity" was Kapanadze talking about?

The secret is revealed simply.
What gravitational effects could be studied at the design institute "Gruzgiprovodhoz"?
"Georgian State Institute for the Design of Water Management Construction"
 :) They wouldn't want to design a flying saucer there.  ;D

The profile of the institute is completely different.

Then what?

What kind of "anti - gravity" could they study?

Scientific work corresponding to the profile of the institute, with the word "gravity", "gravitational", etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwater

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2022, 12:26:17 PM »
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The capillary fringe is the subsurface layer in which groundwater seeps up from a water table by capillary action to fill pores. Pores at the base of the capillary fringe are filled with water due to tension saturation. This saturated portion of the capillary fringe is less than total capillary rise because of the presence of a mix in pore size. If pore size is small and relatively uniform, it is possible that soils can be completely saturated with water for several feet above the water table. Alternately, when pore size is large, the saturated portion will extend only a few inches above the water table. Capillary action supports a vadose zone above the saturated base within which water content decreases with distance above the water table. In soils with a wide range in pore size, the unsaturated zone can be several times thicker than the saturated zone.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_fringe

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2022, 01:16:08 PM »
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What kind of "anti - gravity" could they study?
Scientific work corresponding to the profile of the institute, with the word "gravity", "gravitational", etc.
I don't know.    Why everyone silence?

And yet, the life of every person has an energy equivalent ?
In terms of money, more or less clear.  It strongly depends on the circumstances.

You had a good film, "in time" 2011 was called. :)

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2022, 02:35:38 PM »

Sir
Member Tom Reed will be testing this claim in pressure chamber or ICE “internal combustion engine “ (image below)
Here in next month or so ( he is away working still perhaps next month..?
He has topic here
**Claim of Sam Leach (below) 20PPM lithium nitrate in water at 500 psi
Others here have written that lithium GREATLY reduces disassociation temperature 1/2?


Once project starts your input would be greatly appreciated!
BTW
Image below is from Tom Bearden tribute here posted by member
OnePower!
Ordinary water thermolysis, which occurs at min 2200 °C:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_splitting

"at 2200 °C about three percent of all H2O are dissociated into various combinations of hydrogen and oxygen atoms, mostly H, H2, O, O2, and OH. Other reaction products like H2O2 or HO2 remain minor. At the very high temperature of 3000 °C more than half of the water molecules are decomposed"

This will be very difficult. Ignition temperature of hydrogen in oxygen:

"For the stoichiometric mixture, 2:1 hydrogen:oxygen, at normal atmospheric pressure, autoignition occurs at about 570 °C (1065 °F). "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

The mixture of oxygen and hydrogen at 3000 °C must be somehow separated before cooling, otherwise it will burn again.
Therefore, the process of thermal dissociation below the autoignition temperature already looks energetically low-cost.

The temperature 400 - 450  °C is too high, but ..what is temperature?
Can the temperature change from 80 °C to 450 °C with a frequency of 50 Hertz?

It would seem that it is impossible to change the temperature so quickly, but in a conventional internal combustion engine it is possible, in the cylinders.

Adiabatic process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process

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1. https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en?oq=SU807584A1
English translation, .pdf:
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/173964/

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2.  https://patents.google.com/patent/GEP20074038B/en?oq=GEP20074038B
Abstract:
   A method comprises heating water vapor together with the catalyst at pressure 8,0-10,0 atm. The received mix is cooled during (3-5)х10-3sec. up to temperature 70,0-80,00С and simultaneously with it pressure is lower up to 0,5-0,7atm. Then by means of addition water vapor hydrogen is isolated and process is repeated.

English translation, .pdf:
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/173965/

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3. The MOTOR. Probably this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIMXgLuq6gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUoY_qmBg-g


Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Related to gravity
Member broli did start a topic here on Dr .Eugene Podkletnov
https://overunity.com/19184/what-happened-to-dr-eugene -podkletnov/msg569059/#new


Any ??

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2022, 07:07:40 AM »
And I'm thinking, at a temperature of absolute zero, the birth of virtual particles in a vacuum also stops?

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2022, 01:50:50 PM »
Once project starts your input would be greatly appreciated!


Hello, Ramset!

It is necessary to inform that only this patent is replicable:
https://patents.google.com/patent/RO95468B1/en?oq=RO95468B1

All features of replication are shown in the attached figure.For evaluation experiments, it is not necessary to supply steam. Water or water vapor is released in large quantities from the zeolite when heated.

With other patents,
https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en?oq=SU807584A1
https://patents.google.com/patent/GEP20074038B/en?oq=GEP20074038B
 replication has not yet succeeded.

 It is my assumption that the calcium hydroxide mentioned in these patents is not ordinary lime, but calcium and oxygen ions embedded in some kind of crystalline structure.

The prerequisite for this was the understanding that the inventor, scientist, head of the laboratory, who owned the first patent, SU807584A1, was studied crystal physics.

 His book:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Reversible_Crystal_Plasticity.html?id=qHwWbX6QLnYC

 I'm not sure if zeolite with integrated calcium is the best option.
There may be other options to improve the process.
It is not yet clear why the authors of the latest patents do not need to create a low pressure vacuum.

In general, this is close to "fast adsorption", close to modern oxygen concentrators, which are used to generate oxygen from the air.

And I'm thinking, at a temperature of absolute zero, the birth of virtual particles in a vacuum also stops?
Hello comrade!
I assume that virtual particles are not particles, but quanta of space-time that generate the present, the transition from the past to the future.

https://stephenking.fandom.com/wiki/The_Langoliers

 :)

 
Sincerely,
Sergio

Offline Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2022, 08:26:02 PM »
Found another patent for the decomposition of water by zeolite with alkaline earth metal ions and heating.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US7357912B2/en

Inventor Masanori Sakai Kazumi Fujii Kenji Araki
Current Assignee Hitachi Ltd
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Preferable solid acid catalysts and the solid base catalysts are particles having 1 to 50 μm. The main component of the solid acid catalysts is silicon acids, and the main component of the solid base catalysts is at least one of alkali metal compounds and alkaline earth metal compounds. Preferable silicon oxides are alumino-silicates. The solid base catalyst contains at least one oxide of K, Mg, and Ca. The temperature of water is 130° C. or higher.
Zeolite in the description of this patent is masked by the word "alumino-silicates".
The process temperature is not specified accurately enough, it is impossible to understand that a temperature of 3.5 times higher is required. Сyclic pressure change is not indicated at all, although without this there will be no result.
 The patent propose to apply an electric field to water, without electric current.
There is not possible decomposition of water without electric current through it, this has been verified.
But Hitachi is a well-known company, probably a patent was issued for a working sample.
 
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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2022, 09:38:36 AM »
A few more good patents for the thermal dissociation of water by zeolite.

1. https://patents.google.com/patent/US3963830A/en

A static version of the implementation of water decomposition is described. Very close to the RO95468B1 patent.

2. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4278650A/en

The same, but with a little automation and improved efficiency. Closer to the dynamic version.
3. https://patents.google.com/patent/JPH10263397A/en

Similar.
4. https://patents.google.com/patent/JPH11171501A/en
5. https://patents.google.com/patent/JP3939389B2/en