Stivep:
  To help us understand, you need to show some proof. Not just a guy lighting a small led bulb a foot away from it's source. Perhaps it's you that doesn't get it. There is no free energy in surface waves, no OU, nor self running, either.   So, what is all the hype about???  We are still waiting for your supposed bomb shell of a device. Did you forget about that, already?  Or, I guess I must of missed it.  The fact is that you are showing nothing new, and trying to impress with useless surface waves, and the like.  Really Wesley... Are you going to keep kicking a dead horse???

Note that the method of producing a wave for Tesla is determined by the two coils which are in opposition and their phase angle is 90 degrees. Many of the devices described mention an angle of 90 degrees whatever it means.
Did you do this system for Tesla ? I didn't do it so I don't know if there is more than just a remote energy transfer. In this setting of coils I see the possibility of generating an additional "wave" or something there for the effect of ether stimulation. It's all my theory, but it's worth checking it every time. Because once you don't check and ...

Sorry that I answer not asked.

His invented devices do work (many have sucessfully tested certain versions), use conventional theories, and can be
readily analyzed using advanced electromagnetic computer aided engineering tools. If you have followed Andrey at all,
you also know he has a variety of differing designs, including some self running types.

Hi Solarlab. Who has successfully tested certain versions of Melnichenko's devices?
Where has Melnichenko demonstrated a self-running device?
All the best...

Where did you get this story from?


I don't recall such a stupid statement.


I have never said the receiving end of a wireless energy harvesting system need a earth return wire. I said it might need a RF ground, but this RF ground is completely different thing.


As I said many many times (since the beginning when I rejoined this forum), I stand by the original concept of Zenneck/Sommerfeld surface wave or Tesla's surface wave, or Marconi's surface wave.


I am an independent researcher who sticks to fact. You don't need to convince me with your belief in "scalar" wave.


If you think you are well ahead of Zenneck/Sommerfeld, Tesla or Marconi, that's also fine with me.

Mr. Blue planet You asked a question by saying in another post by stating Wesley needed earth return wire or should do.
Obviously, your self and others don't understand how a 'scalar' or whatever you wish to call it works or what it actually is Well for your reference and others
who don't know it is a 'Dielectric' charge are you any the wiser now? a dielectric charge is like charging a capacitor and throwing it, it's a dielectric charge
produced by the top load of the Tesla coil.  You don't necessarily need the earth.

AG

Once again, I need to re-emphasize that the RF ground does NOT need any connection with the earth connection of the energy source. I have never said anything about RF earthing or whatever.  (Edit: RF ground is the same as RF ground stub.)


Zenneck wave is a well known science. Unlike the dark age, when the trolls have brainwashed the society with their negative information, a lot of scientists have nowadays published their experimental findings that are not quite consistent with the laws of relativity.  Before misleading the world with your minority opinion, please read the literature in the IEEE digital library for more background understanding first.


https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/searchresult.jsp?newsearch=true&queryText=zenneck%20wave


The reason why you keep arguing with me is because you have NOT read anything about surface waves, Tesla's wireless power transfer or Marconi's first breakthrough experiments done in Italy. There is a lot of important information in this surface wave. 


You might have read a lot about scalar waves from some internet sites. But if you have little or no appreciation about the implication of the Poynting vector being zero along the transmission pathway, there is no point to further any discussion.

Thanks for your 'stupid' comment which says more about you than me, I suggest you re-read your question to  your first post since my question to you
is not what you have replied to here,
As you have brought up a reference to RF earthing perhaps you can explain the difference so others can understand your reference to others.
and please keep any reply civil,

AG

   Stivep:   Ok, you sound tired. I'm just a little hung over, and maybe we are also tired of hearing about all those things that we can't understand. Like Zenneck waves, and such. But, only you can understand, yet produce nothing to show for it as any type of proof.
   Ok, I will forget about the light bulb, and it's output, and focus on the source of the energy instead.
   Perhaps you'd like to show some measurements, some scope shots, explaining the output power, even without the bulb.   
   I will look over your re-posted link.  As I am more interested in being accurate, than in being nice. And to provide proof for my ideas.
   It's much easier for you Wesley if you provide some proof, then you won't have to worry about being nice, or not. Otherwise this thread is going in the direction of the original TK thread. 1500 pages, and not a single working replication. Just speculation, and talk.   
   How about if you show how and explain why the dielectric is charged, as your video with Andrea has no sound and the text is unreadable. And your video with the light bulb, is not clearly explained. At least, not to me. Or do you want us to have to guess about what is happening.

To Nickz,
I think you are being extremely inconsiderate knowing that Wesley is on Vacation at the current moment.You seems to be  arguing with him as if he is a customer support service and act like he own you something valuable.Please stop trying to ruin his vacation with his wife.Please again.

Can't you just wait for him to return back from Vacation then continue your whatever argument with him say next year.
I hope you understand.

This is just a concept of keeping the wave standing by two Tesla coils which regulate themselves. If there were such variants, I did not know about them.

Quote from: SolarLab on December 24, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
"His invented devices do work (many have sucessfully tested certain versions), use conventional theories, and can be
readily analyzed using advanced electromagnetic computer aided engineering tools. If you have followed Andrey at all,
you also know he has a variety of differing designs, including some self running types."

Hi Solarlab. Who has successfully tested certain versions of Melnichenko's devices?
Where has Melnichenko demonstrated a self-running device?
All the best...
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Hi Solarlab. I did not see a reply to my questons above. Can you please reply?
Thanks.


Regarding lighting LED lights with the EM field around a HV tesla coil or similar:
LED's don't require much power at all to light up brightly. Same with small neon bulbs.
Especially so for LEDs.

Agreed. Wesley's LED lighting demo was more akin to a magicians trick than a meanigful demonstration of something scientifically significant.

 F.Y.I. 

WO2017209652A2  Inventor Андрей Анатольевич МЕЛЬНИЧЕНКО Original Assignee Андрей
Анатольевич МЕЛЬНИЧЕНКО Priority date 2016-06-01   

Method and device (variants) for generating electrical energy by partially separating the magnetic field of a
ferromagnetic substance from a magnetization coil 

https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2017209652A2/en?assignee=Melnichenko+Andrei&scholar&oq=assignee:(Melnichenko+Andrei)