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nelsonrochaa

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #735 on: December 23, 2018, 04:28:55 PM »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #736 on: December 23, 2018, 04:48:55 PM »
Nothing new just scalar wave ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FasAn7aJa6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdKqdpztuY
Nelson Rocha

Hi Nelson. Nice experiments. I am not convinced that what you are showing there is related
to scalar waves however. I think it is just demonstrating the ability of of EM waves to propagate
down a single wire and to couple energy into conductive materials.

Our mad scientist friend Wesley showed a light bulb lighting on a block of plastic, which should not be conductive
at all, so I found that quite interesting. I am not sure why the light bulb lights up when Wesley touches it to the plastic block.
It would appear that maybe the plastic block builds up a static electric charge on its surface somehow, or maybe
it acts more like a conductor when radiated with high frequency radiation in certain frequency ranges? 


r2fpl

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #737 on: December 23, 2018, 05:34:51 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbVqrDv1bk

This is an experiment with a piece of Teflon which keeps the charges in itself and transmits it to a rotating disc. I don't know how much it has to do with this, but obviously the Teflon affects the increase in voltage.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #738 on: December 23, 2018, 07:15:08 PM »
  So, Wesley, where is the free energy part???  All shown videos are using a source of power to run the device.  Where is the similarity to what Kapanadze or Ruslan has done to light 4 to 5.000w worth of bulbs, with NO extra power source.  What was shown is only lighting leds bulbs just a few feet away.
Firstly, thanks to Wesley for taking the time to put together his interesting video. However, like Nick, I'm wondering where the free energy enters the demonstrations shown in the video. We are led to believe that Kapanadze's devices had no conventional mains or battery power supply and started simply from the pulse from a small alkaline dry PP3 or similar battery. What was the source, nature and quantity of the supply of energy used to charge the dialectric material / glass of water in the video? I was lighting neon lamps and LED lamps years ago from the terminals of isolated SLAB's when running Bedini SSSG's.

r2fpl

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #739 on: December 23, 2018, 07:31:49 PM »
Are you sure it's Teflon?  (the types I know are not translucent).
I wonder what makes the asymmetry that allows to separate positive and negative charges while the setup seems symmetrical.

The Teflon is the applied rectangle and the disk is Plexiglass.
This is my film.

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #740 on: December 23, 2018, 07:46:23 PM »
The board is Tivar   anti-static plate
made for people working with sensitive electronics.
1.5x12x12 inch
dk 2-5-10
It prevents electrostatic  damage   to components.

Label is shown on my video.
But that only says that you do not  analyze my video  carefully.
As  always  the devil is in details .

However at the end of video  I  used  pad  made from rubber  with Ortec name on it.
 - between glass and  plate


Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #741 on: December 23, 2018, 08:55:34 PM »
The board is Tivar   anti-static plate
made for people working with sensitive electronics.

Hi Wesley. I thought in the video you said it was non-conductive plastic, but I watched the
video just after waking up, so I wasn't too alert yet.  :)
I didn't hear you say it was an anti-static plate. What is the resistance if you measure across it
with an ohmmeter? Does it measure a resistance?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #742 on: December 23, 2018, 09:07:12 PM »
Hi Wesley. I thought in the video you said it was non-conductive plastic, but I watched the
video just after waking up, so I wasn't too alert yet.  :)
I didn't hear you say it was an anti-static plate. What is the resistance if you measure across it
with an ohmmeter? Does it measure a resistance?
You didn't read Morey's book pdf'S this type of wave whatever you want to call it can eat through glass plastic or any insulator.
 and suck energy from you given the right characteristics and a Faraday cage is of no use whatsoever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAnfBemgyb4

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #743 on: December 23, 2018, 09:27:58 PM »
Hi Wesley. I thought in the video you said it was non-conductive plastic, but I watched the
video just after waking up, so I wasn't too alert yet.  :)
I didn't hear you say it was an anti-static plate. What is the resistance if you measure across it
with an ohmmeter? Does it measure a resistance?

 Tivar or UHMW Polyethylene is a type of thermoplastic polyethylene that features an extremely high molecular density.
This makes it a durable material, with the highest impact resistance of any thermoplastic presently made.
It has low moisture absorption, a very low coefficient of friction, is self-lubricating, and is highly resistant to abrasion.

Very high resistance.
Protects against electrical charge build-up

But that is not  the most important.
Wire must have an insulation to work with surface wave.
And if winded with  magnet wire it will not work.

Just forget the lightbulb. This is not important.
It is like looking at the  car and thinking is it electric or gasoline or any other fuel operated.
Just look inside   of it...
Do not look at  car front head lights.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #744 on: December 23, 2018, 10:14:38 PM »
Hi Wesly I've been your followers for a couple of years now - when you took part in our Polish forums. I have to say that I admire your knowledge, analytical and synthetic skills;) as well as your stubbornness, commitment and reasonableness in FE activities.  It seems to me that we have a common "Alma Mater": PG ;)  I am by profession and passion the designer of electronic systems, based mainly on single chip microprocessors, which I'm doing until now, even after I've retired. Coming back after this personal introduction to the subject: I think that a "coupled pair" of two generators generating simultaneously functions such as sine and cosine (i.e. a 90 degree shift) could be easily realized through DDSs (Numerically Controlled Oscillators - NCOs). Then only the power amplifiers on some powerful MOSTEFs, the Tesla coil and fast rectifiers on the secondary side. The question is what frequency the device should work on: do you follow the principles used in the construction of the Tesla coil? I greet you and the Forum members beautifully! Merry, Healthy and Successful Christmas and Happy New Year!!! Jerzy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #745 on: December 24, 2018, 01:53:10 AM »
Tivar or UHMW Polyethylene is a type of thermoplastic polyethylene that features an extremely high molecular density.
This makes it a durable material, with the highest impact resistance of any thermoplastic presently made.
It has low moisture absorption, a very low coefficient of friction, is self-lubricating, and is highly resistant to abrasion.

Very high resistance.
Protects against electrical charge build-up

But that is not  the most important.
Wire must have an insulation to work with surface wave.
And if winded with  magnet wire it will not work.

Hello Wesley. Now that you have explained that the tivar plastic block is for anti-static use,
it makes more sense to me that you can light the light bulb when touching it. It has carbon
added to it to give it the conductive anti-static properties (accounts for the dark black color).  A data sheet
for this type of product states:
"The incorporation of an effective carbon black grade renders this material electrostatic dissipative properties. "
This gives it the conductivity to absorb energy from the TEM waves radiating in the room, although the surface
may be plastic coated so you may measure the surface as being an open circuit with an ohmmeter.

As with Nelson's videos, I am not so sure your demonstration is showing Zenneck waves (or scalar waves in Nelson's case),
but I find it interesting that the distilled water also lights the light bulb. The issue I see with what you are showing
is that you probably don't need a dielectric at all to light the light bulb. I think you should be able to lay a sheet
of aluminum foil on the table and touch the light bulb to the aluminum foil, and the light bulb would also light.
This is because the EM waves transfer energy to conductive objects, in the near field at least. However, maybe there
is more to it than that, but I would need to see some explanation regarding how what you are doing is different
that what we can expect to see when just radiating with 'ordinary' TEM waves radiation. I don't think you have done that,
but maybe I am missing something.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #746 on: December 24, 2018, 02:33:11 AM »
Dear friends I'm not at home and my wife really  expect from me to have more time dedicated
to  time spend  together  after long week  making the video.
Note:
1.please do not confuse  Fig # with  coil #
Fig# say about drawing
Coil# says about  particular  coil on the given  Fig.

2. Please assume that Tariel know about energy transfer using surface wave.
He did not understand  how it works but knew how to make it work.
He had no idea about surface wave.

3.He  also noticed that  High Power energy  receivers    for some reason works   when  "hold in hands"

4. credible source: Tariel got  major part of his art from old Russian scientists who  for some reason  vanished shortly after meeting him.

5. After Tariel  start to measure using primitive tools amount of light from light bulbs he conformed that  heat exchange comes to strange but real-
-the same lightbulb gave more light than  if it was  connected to the grid for much less  energy  use indicated at input.
6. Tariel used coaxial cable  and/or HV  automotive cable and made prick  in the wire to just get the right   phase shift.
7. Another  way is to use additionally  a capacitor and that can be seen in his "Tent  presentation"
8. Tariel is just old architect who learnt all the  basic electric knowledge .
That  is why he was in need  to have someone he could trust and who  knows more.
That was the guy who was always with him on every video.
 
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Short:

- in  https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=201 you see winding used by Alexey Pastukhov that  is matching the  way we  winded  coils in Lithuania Experiment.
 For more information about  Lithuania Experiment   contact Arunas T-1000

These are the two  primary windings.
In 3:57 you see  two pipes   structure instead of one pipe proposed by  Andrey. (https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=217)
The pipe is made from soft iron or you can use ferrite kielbasa (like  SR 193) with  conductive  soft iron pipe inside or even  copper foil  around( preferred iron or bunch of very soft iron wires instead of pipe)
The second pipe is connected to ground. Do you remember me  pounding at,  two ground structure for so long ?
I went to South  America to check it.

The pipe is replacement of coil #5. and both the figure# 2 and figure# 3 are shown here: https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=454
 At fig3#  coil# 5  is replaced  by iron pipe ( or  in my case by two pipes now is called  coil #10)
However  coil  from  figure #3 as coil made  not  from pipe but from wire is presented in  figure #2  - will work as well.

The Charge Line Bournlea  I specified in words as:
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"You can not see it  at the driver"
That means  driver will not  see it.
It is also said:
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" depends where you are in regards to  50 ohm impedance of the coil you will have  inductive or capacitive reactance leading and  that can be seen at the Smith Chart."
( the wording is little  different.)
We are looking for capacitive response from the Charge Line.
It is also said :
 
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it makes voltage reversed in sign doubling the voltage
( the wording is little  different.)
 
In video https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=482 I have shown the structure with two  primaries in little  different  arrangement.
You can clearly see  at the bottom of Tesla coil first primary and   on the top of it second primary
However coupling was different . That means primaries have not been identical.
the upper coil used  air gap and  ferrite core like in flyback.
That gap serves as temporary energy storage. in every   flyback transformer and that is what  makes trick in  phase delay + Charge Line.
Once you  understand how the mechanism works , "there are many ways to  Rome".

But coil #5 fig #3 (from my  last video link above )  must be in resonance. so it is  frequency dependent.( slowly increase the frequency till you get it)
Akula, Ruslan had used two generators  with rectangular  shape impulses making 90degrees phase shift.

Tariel  used mostly  sinusoidal wave form that made  the life easier  for him, but the effect  to achieve significant  energy, was much more difficult to do.
("Sinus is good  up to 1kW till becomes  a pain")
Yes  square wave is more friendly but so much frequency dependent.

The important   is the  rapid sharp rise time of square  impulse to make violent interaction that is why it is preferable.
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=541 this part was heavily criticized by  SolarLab.
But that is just another way to go.. using plasma and spark gap.
In patent application of  Andrey Pastukhov he mentioned about means of  transmission line : wire, gas, air/plasma.

In some instances Tariel  used  electrical motors as shown in my  video https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=651

The interaction between two primary coils and coil #5 must be violent.
The frequency and amplitude must be the same but  phase must be shifted at 90.
Practical observation shows that slight (but rapid) !!!!!!!  variation  of frequency of  one oscillator even for fraction of 1 Hz in sharp square signal make trick  well done.. However it is observable with sinusoidal as well.
that can be seen in my old video:
https://youtu.be/F2BED9aDEYw?t=94. look down  the video.
So just wiggling ( rapidly one of oscillators  makes  that strange response....
 
That what everyone  ignored was small word NMR https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=430
and that makes  us back to Lithuania Experiment.
 
https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=520  shows  all mechanism and similarity of all of the guys who made the device .
It also says that  for square wave shape it is recommended to use two generators instead of  just one and capacitive  phase shift.
Starting  from that point in my video  it is the most important part   to understand.
 
Do not get confused: Yes even if Tariel knew about  surface wave energy transfer  he went much deeper to get his self-runner. ... just because he could...
not because he know  what he is  looking at.

That is why he could  fool people around .. even in front of Turkish  Ankara scientific  institutions  when glass table presentation was taking place.
Out there  they build Faraday cage and made Tariel life more difficult  but ...  there was 2.5 mill on the table for TMZ and Ministry of Finance was involved.
Tariel simply did not have much choice.. do the job right...
TMZ  was dead in 2008 because Tariel did not want to  cooperate and say more.


My dear troll group visiting this  forum: 
I know how much push "they" make  on you,  to get the job done.
I really feel your pain..  and stress you are exposed too.
How much  do they pay you for it...?
There is a  nice  group of  guys on this forum,  who can easily spot  you..
Because you  are characteristic.

Secret of Tariel , Akula, Ruslan  is also characteristic , but  is clean , innocent.
All they wanted   is money for their work.
They are not Trolls.



I wish the best to you all. Including Trolls.
Wesley
« Last Edit: December 24, 2018, 04:48:02 AM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #747 on: December 24, 2018, 02:59:07 AM »
Hi Wesley. If you are busy, there is no need to answer.
Well, I really don't see anything in your explanation above that requires surface waves/Zenneck waves
to be involved. It is almost like you are trying to shoehorn that in, but there is really no requirement
for it there that I can see. Also, in your demonstration in your video, I would be very surprised if you
also couldn't lay a sheet of aluminum foil on the table and the light the light bulb as well. No need
for a dielectric sheet that I can see anyway. Just some honest feedback. All the best for the new year.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #748 on: December 24, 2018, 05:41:27 AM »
Void my friend.  go back to my  post from above :
2. Please assume that Tariel knows about energy transfer using surface wave.
 Please notice how easily the LED  that should work at 440V 1A lights uphold in hands of the first and second guy touching it in the beginning of my last video.
 Whatever dirt we may put on Tariel......... he did it.

I got to go....
Wesley
Wesley Yes he did my Russian is atrocious but I stuck at translating a good bit of his garden party video, when he was in the room with the bed he says he found a way of locking the two waveform phases but which ones back then now it all adds up thanks very much. ;D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #749 on: December 24, 2018, 11:22:47 AM »
I should add one more: scalar wave :)
Mr Blue Planet I have a question for you, do you know what a scalar wave is exactly and what produces it ??